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AlexZ

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:28 am
Post subject: Does "all wheel" alignment include "front end" alignment?
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A local dealership is offering "all wheel alignment" for $68. Does this
include what is more traditionally called "front end alignment" and
often costs similar amount? Thanks.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:01 am
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:28:30 -0500, AlexZ <alexz.DeleteThis@no.spam> wrote:

>A local dealership is offering "all wheel alignment" for $68. Does this
>include what is more traditionally called "front end alignment" and
>often costs similar amount? Thanks.


In addition to Front wheel alignment , All wheel alignment includes
alignment of the rear wheels also. hence the name all wheel
alignment. Depending on the type of equipment used to align the
vehicle sensors are place on all four wheels. The "Rack" that the
vehicle is aligned on has Turn plates in the front and Slip plates in
the rear. The turn plates in the front allow the turning of the wheels
during the alignment process to take readings in the full left and
right steering positions. The rear slip plates allow the rear wheels
to settle in their normal position so proper readings can take place.
Two wheel alignment only aligns the front wheels to an imaginary line
parallel to the body of the vehicle and not to the rear wheels. If the
rear wheels are off slightly the vehicle will not track properly as it
drives down the road. |-- |
| --|

All wheel alignment corrects that by aligning the front wheels and
the rear wheels together.

Fred

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:32 pm
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:28:30 -0500, AlexZ <alexz DeleteThis @no.spam> wrote:

>A local dealership is offering "all wheel alignment" for $68. Does this
>include what is more traditionally called "front end alignment" and
>often costs similar amount? Thanks.

Well yeah, it does. What else could it mean? But why are you asking
folks in a new group. Just call the dealer's service department and
ask them. You might also ask if that price is for just the front or
if it includes the rear wheels also.

Jack
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:32 pm
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Only those vehicles equipped with independent rear suspension require a four
wheel alignment. Those with a straight real axel can not be realigned and
only the front can be realigned

"Retired VIP" <jackj.extradots.180.TakeThisOut@windstream.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:28:30 -0500, AlexZ <alexz.TakeThisOut@no.spam> wrote:
>
>>A local dealership is offering "all wheel alignment" for $68. Does this
>>include what is more traditionally called "front end alignment" and
>>often costs similar amount? Thanks.
>
> Well yeah, it does. What else could it mean? But why are you asking
> folks in a new group. Just call the dealer's service department and
> ask them. You might also ask if that price is for just the front or
> if it includes the rear wheels also.
>
> Jack
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:16 pm
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:01:33 -0800, Fred C. Dobbs wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:28:30 -0500, AlexZ <alexz.RemoveThis@no.spam> wrote:
>
>>A local dealership is offering "all wheel alignment" for $68. Does this
>>include what is more traditionally called "front end alignment" and
>>often costs similar amount? Thanks.
>
>
> In addition to Front wheel alignment , All wheel alignment includes
> alignment of the rear wheels also. hence the name all wheel
> alignment. Depending on the type of equipment used to align the
> vehicle sensors are place on all four wheels. The "Rack" that the
> vehicle is aligned on has Turn plates in the front and Slip plates in
> the rear. The turn plates in the front allow the turning of the wheels
> during the alignment process to take readings in the full left and
> right steering positions. The rear slip plates allow the rear wheels
> to settle in their normal position so proper readings can take place.
> Two wheel alignment only aligns the front wheels to an imaginary line
> parallel to the body of the vehicle and not to the rear wheels. If the
> rear wheels are off slightly the vehicle will not track properly as it
> drives down the road. |-- |
> | --|
>

There is also a middle ground called thrust angle alignment in which the
front wheels are aligned according to the angle of the unadjustable rear
wheels instead of aligning against the center-line of the vehicle. This is
obviously preferrable to plain front wheel alignment.

> All wheel alignment corrects that by aligning the front wheels and
> the rear wheels together.
>
> Fred
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:47 pm
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:01:33 -0800, Fred C. Dobbs <nus DeleteThis @tenretni.moc>
wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:28:30 -0500, AlexZ <alexz DeleteThis @no.spam> wrote:
>
>>A local dealership is offering "all wheel alignment" for $68. Does this
>>include what is more traditionally called "front end alignment" and
>>often costs similar amount? Thanks.
>
>
> In addition to Front wheel alignment , All wheel alignment includes
>alignment of the rear wheels also. hence the name all wheel
>alignment. Depending on the type of equipment used to align the
>vehicle sensors are place on all four wheels. The "Rack" that the
>vehicle is aligned on has Turn plates in the front and Slip plates in
>the rear. The turn plates in the front allow the turning of the wheels
>during the alignment process to take readings in the full left and
>right steering positions. The rear slip plates allow the rear wheels
>to settle in their normal position so proper readings can take place.
>Two wheel alignment only aligns the front wheels to an imaginary line
>parallel to the body of the vehicle and not to the rear wheels. If the
>rear wheels are off slightly the vehicle will not track properly as it
>drives down the road. |-- |
> | --|
>
> All wheel alignment corrects that by aligning the front wheels and
>the rear wheels together.
>
>Fred

Thank you for pointing out the meaning of the word "All". I wasn't
aware of it's meaning before. $68 is a pretty cheap price for an
"All" Wheel Alignment around here, that's why I said to ask.

I still think he'd get a more meaningful answer to his question if he
called the dealership.

Jack
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:44 pm
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"Mike hunt" <mikehunt22.DeleteThis@lycos.com> wrote in
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> Only those vehicles equipped with independent rear suspension require
> a four wheel alignment. Those with a straight real axel can not be
> realigned and only the front can be realigned


That's not _totally_ true. Leaf-sprung solid rear axles can be adjusted a
little bit by loosening and shifting the axle/spring pack bolts. This
changes your thrust line, and thus the required front alignment.




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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:00 am
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Fred C. Dobbs <nus DeleteThis @tenretni.moc> wrote in
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> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:28:30 -0500, AlexZ <alexz DeleteThis @no.spam> wrote:
>
>>A local dealership is offering "all wheel alignment" for $68. Does this
>>include what is more traditionally called "front end alignment" and
>>often costs similar amount? Thanks.
>
>
> In addition to Front wheel alignment , All wheel alignment includes
> alignment of the rear wheels also. hence the name all wheel
> alignment. Depending on the type of equipment used to align the
> vehicle sensors are place on all four wheels. The "Rack" that the
> vehicle is aligned on has Turn plates in the front and Slip plates in
> the rear. The turn plates in the front allow the turning of the wheels
> during the alignment process to take readings in the full left and
> right steering positions. The rear slip plates allow the rear wheels
> to settle in their normal position so proper readings can take place.
> Two wheel alignment only aligns the front wheels to an imaginary line
> parallel to the body of the vehicle and not to the rear wheels. If the
> rear wheels are off slightly the vehicle will not track properly as it
> drives down the road. |-- |
> | --|
>
> All wheel alignment corrects that by aligning the front wheels and
> the rear wheels together.
>




More exactly, for an independent rear-end FWD car (view in fixed-width
font)...


Front wheels properly aligned to thrust line as established by a dead-
straight rear wheel alignment relative to car body:
\ -
--+----front
/ -


Front wheels to left of thrust line as established by rear wheels. Steering
wheel needs to be turned to right to make car drive straight. Front needs
to be adjusted to compensate for offset rear thrust:
\ -
-------front
- + -

Most cars dog-track to some degree. This does not necessarily mean the
wheels are misaligned. There are a few vehicles that have rear toe
adjustment available only on one wheel, so in those cases dog-tracking is
unavoidable.



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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:00 am
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Tegger wrote:

> Most cars dog-track to some degree. This does not necessarily mean the
> wheels are misaligned...

Well - yeah they are misalgined. If something does not track, it is
misaligned whether it is adjustable or not. Smile

Bill Putney
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