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Since: Jan 13, 2004
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:40 pm
Post subject: I've had it with Chrysler
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In '86, I bought a new Plymouth Voyager mini-van. The carburetor on the
Mitsibushi engine went bad. Everytime you left your foot off of the gas the
engine would stall. Seems there was a part that had paraffin wax in it. The wax
had flakes of metal in it. There was a manifold heat tube that ran to it. The
heat would liquify the wax when the engine was hot.
Long story short, this was the part causing the engine to stall.
Couldn't just replace the part, had to replace the entire $500-700 carburetor.
The vehicle was well within the warranty period, but the carburetor wasn't
covered. I called Chrysler and they said that they didn't consider this a
safety hazzard.
What? You're going around a corner, you leave your foot off of the accelerator,
the engine stalls and there goes the power steering and power brakes. You don't
consider this a safety hazzard? His reply? Most people wouldn't drive a vehicle
in this condition. Why not? You said it was safe. I spent the money for the
carburetor and swore off Chrylser.
Until I bought my 2001 PT Cruiser. Now this is a small gripe, the tape marks on
the rear bumper. And from this group I find that it is common and the owners
aren't thrilled with it.
But, Chrylser will have nothing to do with it. Hell, Ford (and Chevy too, I
believe) repainted hoods when there was a paint flaking problem. Chrysler could
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:40 pm
Post subject: Re: I've had it with Chrysler [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I've never noticed a bumper problem on any PTCruiser I've seen. How about
posting a picture so we can see what you are griping about.
"TOM KAN PA" <tomkanpa DeleteThis @aol.comic> wrote in message
news:20041202132234.11961.00001164@mb-m16.aol.com...
> In '86, I bought a new Plymouth Voyager mini-van. The carburetor on the
> Mitsibushi engine went bad. Everytime you left your foot off of the gas
> the
> engine would stall. Seems there was a part that had paraffin wax in it.
> The wax
> had flakes of metal in it. There was a manifold heat tube that ran to it.
> The
> heat would liquify the wax when the engine was hot.
> Long story short, this was the part causing the engine to stall.
> Couldn't just replace the part, had to replace the entire $500-700
> carburetor.
> The vehicle was well within the warranty period, but the carburetor wasn't
> covered. I called Chrysler and they said that they didn't consider this a
> safety hazzard.
> What? You're going around a corner, you leave your foot off of the
> accelerator,
> the engine stalls and there goes the power steering and power brakes. You
> don't
> consider this a safety hazzard? His reply? Most people wouldn't drive a
> vehicle
> in this condition. Why not? You said it was safe. I spent the money for
> the
> carburetor and swore off Chrylser.
> Until I bought my 2001 PT Cruiser. Now this is a small gripe, the tape
> marks on
> the rear bumper. And from this group I find that it is common and the
> owners
> aren't thrilled with it.
> But, Chrylser will have nothing to do with it. Hell, Ford (and Chevy too,
> I
> believe) repainted hoods when there was a paint flaking problem. Chrysler
> could
> instill good faith with their customers and correct this.
>
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:40 pm
Post subject: Re: I've had it with Chrysler [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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And Ford and Gm only did it after they lost a major lawsuit, and ordered to
by the government!
"TOM KAN PA" <tomkanpa.TakeThisOut@aol.comic> wrote in message
news:20041202132234.11961.00001164@mb-m16.aol.com...
> In '86, I bought a new Plymouth Voyager mini-van. The carburetor on the
> Mitsibushi engine went bad. Everytime you left your foot off of the gas
the
> engine would stall. Seems there was a part that had paraffin wax in it.
The wax
> had flakes of metal in it. There was a manifold heat tube that ran to it.
The
> heat would liquify the wax when the engine was hot.
> Long story short, this was the part causing the engine to stall.
> Couldn't just replace the part, had to replace the entire $500-700
carburetor.
> The vehicle was well within the warranty period, but the carburetor wasn't
> covered. I called Chrysler and they said that they didn't consider this a
> safety hazzard.
> What? You're going around a corner, you leave your foot off of the
accelerator,
> the engine stalls and there goes the power steering and power brakes. You
don't
> consider this a safety hazzard? His reply? Most people wouldn't drive a
vehicle
> in this condition. Why not? You said it was safe. I spent the money for
the
> carburetor and swore off Chrylser.
> Until I bought my 2001 PT Cruiser. Now this is a small gripe, the tape
marks on
> the rear bumper. And from this group I find that it is common and the
owners
> aren't thrilled with it.
> But, Chrylser will have nothing to do with it. Hell, Ford (and Chevy too,
I
> believe) repainted hoods when there was a paint flaking problem. Chrysler
could
> instill good faith with their customers and correct this.
>
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:30 pm
Post subject: Re: I've had it with Chrysler [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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yup thats a safety factor also, the tape/ paint flakes could get in someones
eye as they are driving and cause loss of sight, better contact your local
chrysler rep again......get real
"TOM KAN PA" <tomkanpa.TakeThisOut@aol.comic> wrote in message
news:20041202132234.11961.00001164@mb-m16.aol.com...
> In '86, I bought a new Plymouth Voyager mini-van. The carburetor on the
> Mitsibushi engine went bad. Everytime you left your foot off of the gas
the
> engine would stall. Seems there was a part that had paraffin wax in it.
The wax
> had flakes of metal in it. There was a manifold heat tube that ran to it.
The
> heat would liquify the wax when the engine was hot.
> Long story short, this was the part causing the engine to stall.
> Couldn't just replace the part, had to replace the entire $500-700
carburetor.
> The vehicle was well within the warranty period, but the carburetor wasn't
> covered. I called Chrysler and they said that they didn't consider this a
> safety hazzard.
> What? You're going around a corner, you leave your foot off of the
accelerator,
> the engine stalls and there goes the power steering and power brakes. You
don't
> consider this a safety hazzard? His reply? Most people wouldn't drive a
vehicle
> in this condition. Why not? You said it was safe. I spent the money for
the
> carburetor and swore off Chrylser.
> Until I bought my 2001 PT Cruiser. Now this is a small gripe, the tape
marks on
> the rear bumper. And from this group I find that it is common and the
owners
> aren't thrilled with it.
> But, Chrylser will have nothing to do with it. Hell, Ford (and Chevy too,
I
> believe) repainted hoods when there was a paint flaking problem. Chrysler
could
> instill good faith with their customers and correct this.
>
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:40 pm
Post subject: Re: I've had it with Chrysler [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 2-Dec-2004, "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE.DeleteThis@mindspring.com> wrote:
> I've never noticed a bumper problem on any PTCruiser I've seen. How about
>
> posting a picture so we can see what you are griping about.
It's a well known problem; just look at the ends of the bumpers (rear
especially) of early PTs. Mine was built in June 2000 and has the problem,
so at least the first 6 months or so of production is effected.
The plastic has discolored where the tape secured protective covering during
shipping; the plastic is lighter where the tape's adhesive contacted the
bumper.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: I've had it with Chrysler |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:46 pm
Post subject: Re: I've had it with Chrysler [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, TOM KAN PA wrote:
> In '86, I bought a new Plymouth Voyager mini-van. The carburetor on the
> Mitsibushi engine went bad. Everytime you left your foot off of the gas
> the engine would stall. Seems there was a part that had paraffin wax in
> it. The wax had flakes of metal in it. There was a manifold heat tube
> that ran to it. The heat would liquify the wax when the engine was hot.
Yes. Such a device is known as a "thermostat". There's one in your cooling
system that works exactly as you describe, except that the wax with metal
powder (not "flakes") is heated by coolant.
> The vehicle was well within the warranty period, but the carburetor wasn't
> covered.
Are you sure? That doesn't sound right.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:56 pm
Post subject: Re: I've had it with Chrysler [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"TOM KAN PA" <tomkanpa.TakeThisOut@aol.comic> wrote in message
news:20041202132234.11961.00001164@mb-m16.aol.com...> Until I bought my 2001
PT Cruiser. Now this is a small gripe, the tape marks on
> the rear bumper. And from this group I find that it is common and the
> owners
> aren't thrilled with it.
> But, Chrylser will have nothing to do with it. Hell, Ford (and Chevy too,
> I
> believe) repainted hoods when there was a paint flaking problem. Chrysler
> could
> instill good faith with their customers and correct this.
>
>
tom, trade it in for a GT, or just get the bumper painted and bite the
bullet, I agree its wrong, but almost every manufacturer could care less
about you once the papers are signed.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: I've had it with Chrysler |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:01 pm
Post subject: Re: I've had it with Chrysler [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, TOM KAN PA wrote:
>
>
>>In '86, I bought a new Plymouth Voyager mini-van. The carburetor on the
>>Mitsibushi engine went bad. Everytime you left your foot off of the gas
>>the engine would stall. Seems there was a part that had paraffin wax in
>>it. The wax had flakes of metal in it. There was a manifold heat tube
>>that ran to it. The heat would liquify the wax when the engine was hot.
>
>
> Yes. Such a device is known as a "thermostat". There's one in your cooling
> system that works exactly as you describe, except that the wax with metal
> powder (not "flakes") is heated by coolant.
>
>
>>The vehicle was well within the warranty period, but the carburetor wasn't
>>covered.
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>
> Are you sure? That doesn't sound right.
>
> DS
Depends on what "warranty period." If it was during 3/36
bumper-to-bumper, then it should have been covered. But, for example,
the old 7/70 powertrain warranty didn't cover carburetors, alternators,
PS pumps, water pumps, or anything else bolted to the powertrain, but
not part OF the powertrain (usually defined as internally lubricated).
Rear-end gears? covered. Universal joint? Not covered. Connecting rod?
Covered. Throttle body or carburetor? not covered. Just gotta read the
warranty.
However, anyone who actually expected a Mitsubishi engine *or* a Mikuni
carburetor to last as long as the paper the warranty was written on
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:32 pm
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On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Punch wrote:
> > PT Cruiser. Now this is a small gripe, the tape marks on
> > the rear bumper.
> tom, trade it in for a GT, or just get the bumper painted and bite the
> bullet, I agree its wrong, but almost every manufacturer could care less
> about you once the papers are signed.
....or install the aftermarket chrome bumpers. Saw a PT in my rearview
mirror a couple years ago that looked really good and I couldn't quite put
my finger on why until we both turned into the same parking lot and I had
a chance to walk around the car -- it was the chrome bumpers!<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: I've had it with Chrysler |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:40 pm
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Almost all PT's from 01 and 02 had the tape marks, many, many people have
gotten them painted at Chrysler's expense, if your dealer won't, another
might. Check out the forums at:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ptcruiserlinks.com/." target="_blank">http://www.ptcruiserlinks.com/.</a>
Good luck
SRG
"TOM KAN PA" <tomkanpa.DeleteThis@aol.comic> wrote in message
news:20041202132234.11961.00001164@mb-m16.aol.com...
> In '86, I bought a new Plymouth Voyager mini-van. The carburetor on the
> Mitsibushi engine went bad. Everytime you left your foot off of the gas
> the
> engine would stall. Seems there was a part that had paraffin wax in it.
> The wax
> had flakes of metal in it. There was a manifold heat tube that ran to it.
> The
> heat would liquify the wax when the engine was hot.
> Long story short, this was the part causing the engine to stall.
> Couldn't just replace the part, had to replace the entire $500-700
> carburetor.
> The vehicle was well within the warranty period, but the carburetor wasn't
> covered. I called Chrysler and they said that they didn't consider this a
> safety hazzard.
> What? You're going around a corner, you leave your foot off of the
> accelerator,
> the engine stalls and there goes the power steering and power brakes. You
> don't
> consider this a safety hazzard? His reply? Most people wouldn't drive a
> vehicle
> in this condition. Why not? You said it was safe. I spent the money for
> the
> carburetor and swore off Chrylser.
> Until I bought my 2001 PT Cruiser. Now this is a small gripe, the tape
> marks on
> the rear bumper. And from this group I find that it is common and the
> owners
> aren't thrilled with it.
> But, Chrylser will have nothing to do with it. Hell, Ford (and Chevy too,
> I
> believe) repainted hoods when there was a paint flaking problem. Chrysler
> could
> instill good faith with their customers and correct this.
>
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:40 pm
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"TOM KAN PA" <tomkanpa.RemoveThis@aol.comic> wrote
<... the tape marks on the rear bumper. And from this group I find that it
is common and the owners
> aren't thrilled with it.
> But, Chrylser will have nothing to do with it.
You have marks on your rear bumper and you've had it with Chrysler? Man, you
really need to get out more.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: I've had it with Chrysler |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:40 pm
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"SRG" <srg.RemoveThis@rrSPAMNO.com> wrote in message
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> Almost all PT's from 01 and 02 had the tape marks, many, many people have
> gotten them painted at Chrysler's expense, if your dealer won't, another
> might. Check out the forums at:
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ptcruiserlinks.com/.</font" target="_blank">http://www.ptcruiserlinks.com/.</font</a>>
wrong again, you want to check out <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ptcrew.com," target="_blank">www.ptcrew.com,</a> its run by former members
of the link you posted until the admin Jody went power crazy and started
banning members for giving bad reviews of his site sponsors products.
it's <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ptcrew.org" target="_blank">www.ptcrew.org</a> also
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