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Since: Mar 28, 2005 Posts: 135
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:22 pm
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First and foremost I'm not posting this in the Ford newsgroup in order
to discriminate against any particular make for shortcomings as all
Brands of Autos suffer from the same problems that I'm going to bring
forward.
#1 Oversized transmission cooler with low pressure bypass valve for
driving in hot weather, towing, hilly terrain, etc.
#2 Magnetic filters for transmission, motor, radiator, and power
steering fluids.
#3 Bypass oil filters used in conjunction with the already standard
flow through filters. FILTERS NEED TO BE LOCATED IN A CONVENIENT
LOCATION FOR EASY REPLACEMENT!!!
#4 Oil coolers for cars with and without superchargers or
turbochargers. (After all, when the motor oil gets too hot it will
break down and this will wear out the engine rapidly.)
#5 External spin-on transmission filters instead of internal for
easier replacement.
#6 Oil sump pans with louvers/air veins on them for increased oil
cooling.
#7 Oil change reminders on dashboard that uses a computer w/sensors in
order to decide once oil is contaminated enough to warrant changing -
it also would need a 500 mile warning ahead of time in case your on a
long distance trip. (GM already uses something like this on all of
it's cars and it has saved millions of tons of crude oil.)
#8 Low Oil Level warning lights. The Low oil pressure warning lights
simply are not enough. By the time pressure drops too low it's already
too late and engine damage has already occurred in some shape or form.
(Most motorists are stupid and never check their oil level.)
#9 An extra electric cooling fan pointed at the alternator in case
it's tucked away in such a way that it doesn't get enough cool air flow
inside the engine bay.
#10 FOG LIGHTS STANDARD
#11 Purple warning/hazard lights that flash just like the
Hazard/Safety lights that are already standard. These purple warning
lights warn other motorists that YOU or ME as a driver is somewhat
compromised but are still needing to continue driving only with extra
caution. EXAMPLE: Sudden downpour and I or YOU happen to have tires
that are worn or not suited for wet season. Or wiper blades happen to
be old and don't clear the windshield, OR defroster is not working
properly all of a sudden. Or let's say we I or YOU had a flat tire and
so now were driving on a donut sized tire on a major interstate in
Nevada where big rigs want to go 85+MPH while ME or YOU are forced to
go 55 - 60 mph because the donut spares are only rated for 55 MPH tops,
going faster MAY damage the cars differential. (These purple warning
lights show other drivers that the compromised driver is being extra
careful and so if they are driving a little slow than the lights add to
the needed communication for other motorists to go around when it's
safe to do so.) On the road, communication is the key for safety! We
need more warning lights than the standard safety flashers, it couldn't
be more obvious.
#12 FULL SIZE SPARE TIRE W/a warning dash light that goes off if the
spare tire for some reason becomes under inflated while it's stored
under the trunk bed.
#13 Warning dash light for under inflated tires. I have seen too many
motorists on the road driving around on under inflated tires. 5 times
out of 10 the tires explode while I'm driving close enough to witness
it happen - just like watching a horror movie. On light truck on up,
tires explode when under inflated. On passenger cars they are less
likely to fail but they do have thread separation which is still
dangerous only not as bad as a blowout.
#14 The option for motorist that know how to properly maintain their
cars in the first place to be able to buy their cars new without all
the idiot lights in order to not have to pay as much as the motorists
that don't know the difference between a cam shaft and a drive shaft.
Motorists need to be able to pass a maintenance competency test and if
they do poorly on it, they need to drive the "dummy" car by law or face
a stiff penalty. This should eliminate 90% of all the broken down cars
on the road that cause more accidents, bottle necks, and traffic
fatalities & injuries.
#15 Foldable side mirrors mandatory. Motorists should be required to
fold in their mirrors (both of them) when parallel parked. This
protects bicyclists on the road and pedestrians on the sidewalk. This
also helps improve auto traffic safety because side view mirrors are
one less obstacle on the road to worry about.
#16 All vehicles need to be required to have under armor. In other
words, steel plates/shields need to be installed beneath the
undercarriage stock by the factory. This will protect the fuel line,
fuel filter, and gas tank(s) from rupturing from road debris and other
road hazards. Vehicles made with gas tanks in unsafe locations by the
manufacturer should be banned from being sold in North America. Gas
tanks need to be made as "fuel cells" like the ones used on racetracks,
strong, sturdy, and impenetrable. The under armor will also protect
the brake lines from rupturing from road debris further protecting
against failed brakes and sudden loss of brake pressure.
#17 Front and Rear sway bars mandatory
#18 Rollover bar(s) mandatory on all cars integrated into the roof and
body/chassis so in most cars it wouldn't be obvious
#19 Disc brakes front and BACK mandatory
#20 Engine block/oil heaters mandatory with both plug in and timer
that runs off of the cars SECOND battery for the purpose. This would
save fuel as the engine would already be preheated and this would
increase longevity.
And #21 Electric oil pump on timer to lubricate engine before start up
each morning. Used in conjunction with engine block heater.
If all of the above could be done in a reasonable amount of time
traffic fatalities would go down 80% guaranteed. Cars would have an
average life span of 30 years instead of 10 years as they are now.
It's just like buying more expensive furniture instead of the cheap
stuff the breaks easily. With the more expensive furniture you can
keep them longer and they stay nice longer. In the long term you save
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Since: Nov 21, 2003 Posts: 759
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:55 am
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a. Crossing guards on every street corner/intersection without a traffic
light
b. Safety guards on steak and paring knives
c. Convert residential power supplies from 120 volt ac to 48 volt dc to
eliminate electrocution
d. reinstate prohibition - now that lawyers and legislators have convinced
everyone that, once you have a few drinks, you're not responsible for your
actions or judgement.. the only step left.
e Raise all children to the age of 18 in a clear mylar bubble lined with
bubble wrap
e 1 Eliminate all unsupervised play or movement.. especially NEVER let a
child fall without making a big deal of it!
( Perhaps someone can research bicycle head injury frequency from the
1950's compared to the present when fewer kids actually ride bikes and those
who do usually wear helmets... you might be surprised)
I could go on...
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Since: Mar 15, 2004 Posts: 13
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:55 am
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Far as I can tell, someone wrote:
>#14 The option for motorist that know how to properly maintain their
>cars in the first place to be able to buy their cars new without all
>the idiot lights in order to not have to pay as much as the motorists
>that don't know the difference between a cam shaft and a drive shaft.
>Motorists need to be able to pass a maintenance competency test and if
>they do poorly on it, they need to drive the "dummy" car by law or face
>a stiff penalty. This should eliminate 90% of all the broken down cars
>on the road that cause more accidents, bottle necks, and traffic
>fatalities & injuries.
Have you considered running for the office of dictator?
Although many of your ideas are good, this one above blows your whole concept out of
the water.
You want to add a dozen mandatory items to cars, with no thought as to how much a new
car would cost, yet you want to (optionally) eliminate a handful of idiot lights to
save you money. Hmm... Then you have to set up nation-wide testing centers for
idiot light testing.How much would it cost to set up a new center at every DMV?
Don't know? Don't care?
Your add-ons would no doubt add several thousand dollars to the price of a new car.
A mandatory engine block heater with it's own battery? We really need that here in
the south... or hadn't you thought of that? Ooops!
I recently spent $175.00 for a repair. One of my exhaust sensors broke somewhere
deep inside, I can only guess where. Nothing had made my car unsafe, just a sensor
was bad so the idiot light came on, so I had to get it fixed. Oh well, it's only
money.
It's interesting that you personal guarantee an 80% decrease in traffic fatalities.
Was your study done on a state or nation-wide basis? What vehicles have you altered
and tested to prove your points? Or was it that guy with the crystal ball on the
Wizard of Oz who told you? Have you considered that 68.723% of all accidents are
caused by flat out stupidity? (Yeah, I made that number up too.)
Like I said, you have a lot of good ideas, but they are not new ideas.
Next, you can write a list of twelve hundred mandatory things to be built into houses
to make them safer, like mandatory handles inside all bath-tubs, and mandatory motion
sensors to turn lights on so people won't stub their toes, and mandatory sensors in
the fridge to tell you when the light bulb is out.
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Since: Oct 31, 2004 Posts: 127
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 7:38 am
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<eastwardbound2003 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> If all of the above could be done in a reasonable amount of time
> traffic fatalities would go down 80% guaranteed. Cars would have an
> average life span of 30 years instead of 10 years as they are now.
Your car wouldn't last any longer. Your wife would still ignore the
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Since: Nov 17, 2004 Posts: 650
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:33 am
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Someone who obviously has little idea how the world works wants to
throw a wrench in there and watch the dominoes begin to fall.
On 15 Apr 2005 23:22:07 -0700, eastwardbound2003.RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote:
>First and foremost I'm not posting this in the Ford newsgroup in order
>to discriminate against any particular make for shortcomings as all
>Brands of Autos suffer from the same problems that I'm going to bring
>forward.
>
>
>#1 Oversized transmission cooler with low pressure bypass valve for
>driving in hot weather, towing, hilly terrain, etc.
>
>#2 Magnetic filters for transmission, motor, radiator, and power
>steering fluids.
>
>#3 Bypass oil filters used in conjunction with the already standard
>flow through filters. FILTERS NEED TO BE LOCATED IN A CONVENIENT
>LOCATION FOR EASY REPLACEMENT!!!
>
>#4 Oil coolers for cars with and without superchargers or
>turbochargers. (After all, when the motor oil gets too hot it will
>break down and this will wear out the engine rapidly.)
>
>#5 External spin-on transmission filters instead of internal for
>easier replacement.
>
>#6 Oil sump pans with louvers/air veins on them for increased oil
>cooling.
>
>#7 Oil change reminders on dashboard that uses a computer w/sensors in
>order to decide once oil is contaminated enough to warrant changing -
>it also would need a 500 mile warning ahead of time in case your on a
>long distance trip. (GM already uses something like this on all of
>it's cars and it has saved millions of tons of crude oil.)
>
>#8 Low Oil Level warning lights. The Low oil pressure warning lights
>simply are not enough. By the time pressure drops too low it's already
>too late and engine damage has already occurred in some shape or form.
>(Most motorists are stupid and never check their oil level.)
>
>#9 An extra electric cooling fan pointed at the alternator in case
>it's tucked away in such a way that it doesn't get enough cool air flow
>inside the engine bay.
>
>#10 FOG LIGHTS STANDARD
>
>#11 Purple warning/hazard lights that flash just like the
>Hazard/Safety lights that are already standard. These purple warning
>lights warn other motorists that YOU or ME as a driver is somewhat
>compromised but are still needing to continue driving only with extra
>caution. EXAMPLE: Sudden downpour and I or YOU happen to have tires
>that are worn or not suited for wet season. Or wiper blades happen to
>be old and don't clear the windshield, OR defroster is not working
>properly all of a sudden. Or let's say we I or YOU had a flat tire and
>so now were driving on a donut sized tire on a major interstate in
>Nevada where big rigs want to go 85+MPH while ME or YOU are forced to
>go 55 - 60 mph because the donut spares are only rated for 55 MPH tops,
>going faster MAY damage the cars differential. (These purple warning
>lights show other drivers that the compromised driver is being extra
>careful and so if they are driving a little slow than the lights add to
>the needed communication for other motorists to go around when it's
>safe to do so.) On the road, communication is the key for safety! We
>need more warning lights than the standard safety flashers, it couldn't
>be more obvious.
>
>#12 FULL SIZE SPARE TIRE W/a warning dash light that goes off if the
>spare tire for some reason becomes under inflated while it's stored
>under the trunk bed.
>
>#13 Warning dash light for under inflated tires. I have seen too many
>motorists on the road driving around on under inflated tires. 5 times
>out of 10 the tires explode while I'm driving close enough to witness
>it happen - just like watching a horror movie. On light truck on up,
>tires explode when under inflated. On passenger cars they are less
>likely to fail but they do have thread separation which is still
>dangerous only not as bad as a blowout.
>
>#14 The option for motorist that know how to properly maintain their
>cars in the first place to be able to buy their cars new without all
>the idiot lights in order to not have to pay as much as the motorists
>that don't know the difference between a cam shaft and a drive shaft.
>Motorists need to be able to pass a maintenance competency test and if
>they do poorly on it, they need to drive the "dummy" car by law or face
>a stiff penalty. This should eliminate 90% of all the broken down cars
>on the road that cause more accidents, bottle necks, and traffic
>fatalities & injuries.
>
>#15 Foldable side mirrors mandatory. Motorists should be required to
>fold in their mirrors (both of them) when parallel parked. This
>protects bicyclists on the road and pedestrians on the sidewalk. This
>also helps improve auto traffic safety because side view mirrors are
>one less obstacle on the road to worry about.
>
>#16 All vehicles need to be required to have under armor. In other
>words, steel plates/shields need to be installed beneath the
>undercarriage stock by the factory. This will protect the fuel line,
>fuel filter, and gas tank(s) from rupturing from road debris and other
>road hazards. Vehicles made with gas tanks in unsafe locations by the
>manufacturer should be banned from being sold in North America. Gas
>tanks need to be made as "fuel cells" like the ones used on racetracks,
>strong, sturdy, and impenetrable. The under armor will also protect
>the brake lines from rupturing from road debris further protecting
>against failed brakes and sudden loss of brake pressure.
>
>#17 Front and Rear sway bars mandatory
>
>#18 Rollover bar(s) mandatory on all cars integrated into the roof and
>body/chassis so in most cars it wouldn't be obvious
>
>#19 Disc brakes front and BACK mandatory
>
>#20 Engine block/oil heaters mandatory with both plug in and timer
>that runs off of the cars SECOND battery for the purpose. This would
>save fuel as the engine would already be preheated and this would
>increase longevity.
>
>And #21 Electric oil pump on timer to lubricate engine before start up
>each morning. Used in conjunction with engine block heater.
>
>
>If all of the above could be done in a reasonable amount of time
>traffic fatalities would go down 80% guaranteed. Cars would have an
>average life span of 30 years instead of 10 years as they are now.
>
>It's just like buying more expensive furniture instead of the cheap
>stuff the breaks easily. With the more expensive furniture you can
>keep them longer and they stay nice longer. In the long term you save
>lots of money despite the initial higher cost.
Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:55 am
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<eastwardbound2003 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote
....a whole lotta stuff.
> average life span of 30 years instead of 10 years as they are now.
Where do you go for service? Back to the dealer? Sorry, he went out
of business 29 years ago. Everybody bought the "long-life" cars that
never broke, so he had to fire all the mechanics. The cars were so
expensive because of all the fancy stuff they were made to install
that nobody could afford to buy another, so he fired all the salesmen.
Sales came to a standstill, and they didn't order more cars, so the
manufacturers fired all the assembly workers and closed down.
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Since: Nov 21, 2003 Posts: 759
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:55 am
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MasterBlaster opined in news:n778e.41267$jR3.33596@edtnps84:
> <eastwardbound2003.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote
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> ...a whole lotta stuff.
>
>> average life span of 30 years instead of 10 years as they are now.
>
> Where do you go for service? Back to the dealer? Sorry, he went out
> of business 29 years ago. Everybody bought the "long-life" cars that
> never broke, so he had to fire all the mechanics. The cars were so
> expensive because of all the fancy stuff they were made to install
> that nobody could afford to buy another, so he fired all the salesmen.
> Sales came to a standstill, and they didn't order more cars, so the
> manufacturers fired all the assembly workers and closed down.
> Thanks. You just put an entire industry out of work.
>
Besides which....
CARS LAST MUCH LONGER NOW THAN THEY DID JUST 20 YEARS AGO, and it''s longer
than ten years if any maintenance was done on them
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:58 am
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I love it! A car for lazy, stupid people. "Here's your sign...."
eastwardbound2003 DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
> First and foremost I'm not posting this in the Ford newsgroup in order
> to discriminate against any particular make for shortcomings as all
> Brands of Autos suffer from the same problems that I'm going to bring
> forward.
>
>
(Big Snip)
>
> If all of the above could be done in a reasonable amount of time
> traffic fatalities would go down 80% guaranteed. Cars would have an
> average life span of 30 years instead of 10 years as they are now.
>
> It's just like buying more expensive furniture instead of the cheap
> stuff the breaks easily. With the more expensive furniture you can
> keep them longer and they stay nice longer. In the long term you save
> lots of money despite the initial higher cost.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:55 am
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<eastwardbound2003.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> First and foremost I'm not posting this in the Ford newsgroup in order
> to discriminate against any particular make for shortcomings as all
> Brands of Autos suffer from the same problems that I'm going to bring
> forward.
> #7 Oil change reminders on dashboard that uses a computer w/sensors in
> order to decide once oil is contaminated enough to warrant changing -
> it also would need a 500 mile warning ahead of time in case your on a
> long distance trip. (GM already uses something like this on all of
> it's cars and it has saved millions of tons of crude oil.)
As far as I know they base it on odometer reading / engine run time, not any
fancy sensors. And if they had any fancy sensors, that's something else to
break.
As far as saving oil, people could go for longer intervals. I've been going
with 10K km changes instead of 5k, with no problems. If people just learn to
monitor their oil, it won't be a problem.
> #8 Low Oil Level warning lights. The Low oil pressure warning lights
> simply are not enough. By the time pressure drops too low it's already
> too late and engine damage has already occurred in some shape or form.
> (Most motorists are stupid and never check their oil level.)
I think in addition to pressure, they also reported low level, when it's
critically low. Either way, more nanny state BS to break. Dip stick works
fine for me, what's to say they would pay attention to the idiot light? Most
don't understand that the oil light is very critical in nature.
> #9 An extra electric cooling fan pointed at the alternator in case
> it's tucked away in such a way that it doesn't get enough cool air flow
> inside the engine bay.
The engine bay is still hot. Point as many fans as you want, it's still hot
in there, why not redesign the compartment to run cooler?
> #10 FOG LIGHTS STANDARD
Fuck, no! Many OEM & aftermarket fog lights are improperly aimed, blinding
other drivers, without providing any additional benefit. People use them
even when it isn't foggy. I don't use the ones that came with my car because
they are USELESS.
If you are worried about lighting, why not change lighting standards that
matter? European lighting standards are superior in almost everyway, with
superior headlight, and tail lights using amber turn signals, removing the
confusing red signals found in North America. Fog lights are inconsequential
in comparison.
> #11 Purple warning/hazard lights that flash just like the
> Hazard/Safety lights that are already standard. These purple warning
> lights warn other motorists that YOU or ME as a driver is somewhat
> compromised but are still needing to continue driving only with extra
> caution. EXAMPLE: Sudden downpour and I or YOU happen to have tires
> that are worn or not suited for wet season. Or wiper blades happen to
> be old and don't clear the windshield, OR defroster is not working
> properly all of a sudden. Or let's say we I or YOU had a flat tire and
> so now were driving on a donut sized tire on a major interstate in
> Nevada where big rigs want to go 85+MPH while ME or YOU are forced to
> go 55 - 60 mph because the donut spares are only rated for 55 MPH tops,
> going faster MAY damage the cars differential. (These purple warning
> lights show other drivers that the compromised driver is being extra
> careful and so if they are driving a little slow than the lights add to
> the needed communication for other motorists to go around when it's
> safe to do so.) On the road, communication is the key for safety! We
> need more warning lights than the standard safety flashers, it couldn't
> be more obvious.
Purple magical warning lights? Why not add more confusing colors into the
mess. And these lights will magically know when to illuminate?
> #12 FULL SIZE SPARE TIRE W/a warning dash light that goes off if the
> spare tire for some reason becomes under inflated while it's stored
> under the trunk bed.
More nanny state BS. I have a cheap tire gauge, and a compressor that plugs
into the cig lighter. Much cheaper than a nanny state sytem.
> #13 Warning dash light for under inflated tires. I have seen too many
> motorists on the road driving around on under inflated tires. 5 times
> out of 10 the tires explode while I'm driving close enough to witness
> it happen - just like watching a horror movie. On light truck on up,
> tires explode when under inflated. On passenger cars they are less
> likely to fail but they do have thread separation which is still
> dangerous only not as bad as a blowout.
Nanny state BS. My $5 tire gauge does just fine.
> #14 The option for motorist that know how to properly maintain their
> cars in the first place to be able to buy their cars new without all
> the idiot lights in order to not have to pay as much as the motorists
> that don't know the difference between a cam shaft and a drive shaft.
> Motorists need to be able to pass a maintenance competency test and if
> they do poorly on it, they need to drive the "dummy" car by law or face
> a stiff penalty. This should eliminate 90% of all the broken down cars
> on the road that cause more accidents, bottle necks, and traffic
> fatalities & injuries.
Why not require people to be competent in order to drive, rather than all
this nanny state BS. Driver's tests should be magnitudes better.
> #19 Disc brakes front and BACK mandatory
Back breaks don't matter. The vast majority of breaking is done by the front
wheels. I can yank up on my parking brake, locking the rear drums. Obviously
they are sufficent. The only time you need rear discs is for performance
driving. Normal driving != performance driving. Unless you go around doing
panic stops every 30 seconds, you shouldn't have a problem. You can say they
are easier to maintain, sure, but rear discs shouldn't be mandatory. I would
start worrying about the quality of front discs first. Many are undersized.
> #20 Engine block/oil heaters mandatory with both plug in and timer
> that runs off of the cars SECOND battery for the purpose. This would
> save fuel as the engine would already be preheated and this would
> increase longevity.
Come to Canada and you will find every car of domestic make (GM, Ford,
Chrysler) come with block heaters. This doesn't mean everyone uses them,
even if they should. And there is no way you could run one off a battery.
At -40, batteries barely produce enough juice to start the engine. No way
you could run a 300W heater for 2 hours off one.
All though I'd like in addition to a frost plug heater, the factory standard
ones had a battery heater. But these features would be useless in southren
US.
> And #21 Electric oil pump on timer to lubricate engine before start up
> each morning. Used in conjunction with engine block heater.
Why not tie it into the ignition switch like the fuel pump? Turn the car to
"ON" before starting, fuel/oil pump go, then turn to "START" a second later.
> If all of the above could be done in a reasonable amount of time
> traffic fatalities would go down 80% guaranteed. Cars would have an
> average life span of 30 years instead of 10 years as they are now.
Block heater will reduce fatalities? How about instead of nanny state stuff,
you have driver's tests that actually test drivers? Drivers are the fault of
almost all fatalities.
> It's just like buying more expensive furniture instead of the cheap
> stuff the breaks easily. With the more expensive furniture you can
> keep them longer and they stay nice longer. In the long term you save
> lots of money despite the initial higher cost.
So than buy a car with all this shit, pay $20 000 more, and think it really
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 12:29 pm
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Backyard Mechanic wrote:
> MasterBlaster opined in news:n778e.41267$jR3.33596@edtnps84:
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>><eastwardbound2003.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote
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>>...a whole lotta stuff.
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>>>average life span of 30 years instead of 10 years as they are now.
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>>Where do you go for service? Back to the dealer? Sorry, he went out
>>of business 29 years ago. Everybody bought the "long-life" cars that
>>never broke, so he had to fire all the mechanics. The cars were so
>>expensive because of all the fancy stuff they were made to install
>>that nobody could afford to buy another, so he fired all the salesmen.
>>Sales came to a standstill, and they didn't order more cars, so the
>>manufacturers fired all the assembly workers and closed down.
>>Thanks. You just put an entire industry out of work.
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> Besides which....
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> CARS LAST MUCH LONGER NOW THAN THEY DID JUST 20 YEARS AGO, and it''s longer
> than ten years if any maintenance was done on them
Yes and no. Old cars were a "constant strain of problems" from new.
New cars are wonderfully reliable for xxx miles, then turn into a cube,
or cost someone a FORTUNE to keep driving...
The way I see it, either I pay a carnote to Autozone-and-the-like, or
the bank.. *Shrug*
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Since: Jan 08, 2004 Posts: 39
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:14 pm
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eastwardbound2003.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:
> #8 Low Oil Level warning lights. The Low oil pressure warning lights
> simply are not enough. By the time pressure drops too low it's already
> too late and engine damage has already occurred in some shape or form.
> (Most motorists are stupid and never check their oil level.)
>
Seem to remember an '84 Lincoln Mark VI I used to own had this feature.
I know 'cause it came on once after it started to leak oil. No other car
I've owned had this feature that I know of.
JP
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Since: Jun 29, 2004 Posts: 52
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:41 pm
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:18:58 GMT, Backyard Mechanic
<pettyfog.TakeThisOut@Yaywho.com> wrote:
>c. Convert residential power supplies from 120 volt ac to 48 volt dc to
>eliminate electrocution
I retired in Feb. after 40 years as an electrician in a GM plant.
They were starting to implement new "safety" rules for electricians
just before I left.
Anything over 24 V AC or DC, rope off the area at a distance of 5 feet
from where you're working. Wear the MANDATORY flame-proof coveralls.
Wear triple gloves; cotton, rubber, leather. Hard hats required. Any
electrical panel with a service of 400 amps or greater, wear the "high
risk" suit, which looks like the ones firemen wear to enter burning
aircraft, complete with hood.. This is power on or off, BTW.
1. The chemicals used to treat the coveralls caused skin rashes on 25%
of the people wearing them. These chemicals were found to increase
the risk of kidney and liver problems, per the MSDS.
2. Ever try to put a #16 wire on a small terminal and tighten the
screw wearing 3 pairs of gloves? I couldn't even hold the screwdriver.
3. All this, but no face shield mandated.
4. The 400 amp suit weighs about 35 pounds. The suit and hood are not
ventilated, so you begin to suffocate in about 2 minutes.
Big Brother is alive & well.
PS - I drive a Ford.
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Since: Oct 31, 2004 Posts: 127
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:41 pm
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"David Starr" <davestarr.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:7fm261po4kh7dok00q289p96etucb3lio8@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:18:58 GMT, Backyard Mechanic
> <pettyfog.TakeThisOut@Yaywho.com> wrote:
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>>c. Convert residential power supplies from 120 volt ac to 48 volt dc to
>>eliminate electrocution
>
> I retired in Feb. after 40 years as an electrician in a GM plant.
> They were starting to implement new "safety" rules for electricians
> just before I left.
>
> Anything over 24 V AC or DC, rope off the area at a distance of 5 feet
> from where you're working. Wear the MANDATORY flame-proof coveralls.
> Wear triple gloves; cotton, rubber, leather. Hard hats required. Any
> electrical panel with a service of 400 amps or greater, wear the "high
> risk" suit, which looks like the ones firemen wear to enter burning
> aircraft, complete with hood.. This is power on or off, BTW.
>
> 1. The chemicals used to treat the coveralls caused skin rashes on 25%
> of the people wearing them. These chemicals were found to increase
> the risk of kidney and liver problems, per the MSDS.
>
> 2. Ever try to put a #16 wire on a small terminal and tighten the
> screw wearing 3 pairs of gloves? I couldn't even hold the screwdriver.
>
> 3. All this, but no face shield mandated.
>
> 4. The 400 amp suit weighs about 35 pounds. The suit and hood are not
> ventilated, so you begin to suffocate in about 2 minutes.
>
> Big Brother is alive & well.
>
> PS - I drive a Ford.
Damn nice of you to bite the hand that fed you for 40 years,
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Since: Jan 10, 2004 Posts: 928
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:55 pm
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We wouldn't need most of your fine suggestions if people would just take a
break from trying to be stupid.....
1 Over-engineering coolers adds needless waste.... purchase prices will be
driven high in a marketplace where low cost is the over-riding decision
maker.
2 If you need a magnetic filter, is is probably too late for a magnetic
filter. Once we experience ferrous metal wear, the die is already cat.
3 Bypass oil filters were the norm in the 40s and 50s. Full flow filtration
systems using good quality filters are all that is required. When flowing,
bypass filters rob oil flow from the lubrication system. We have no way of
knowing when they do stop flowing. Nothing will replace timely oil changes.
4 Over-engineering adds needless waste. My SuperCrew has a factory oil
filter.... yet the hottest days in my year barely reach 80F.
5 The 5R110 TorqueShift features an external spin on filter. However, I
still remove the oil pan to see what there is to see. There's a magnet in
there and if it is clinging on to ferrous materials.....
6 Yep... lets add places for insulating road debris to cling to. It's always
a good idea to add cooling devices that require airflow... especially in
areaas that don't get any airflow.
7 Many vehicles offer service reminders. How this will save crude oil is
beyond me.
8 A warning light? The bulb on the end of my dipstick has never
malfunctioned. Besides, if the oil level is low and is never topped off,
aren't we saving crude oil?
9 Better than an elecric cooling fan.... how about we incorporate a fan on
to the alternator shaft? Dang... they already did that....
10 Ahhhh.... yes, more foglights so those bozos can blind us old geezers in
town... Oh, how I love those fog lights.... I love 'em so much that they
occasionally bring tears to my eyes.
11 Yes.. I like it... purple lights flashing out "I'm an idiot" so we can
avoid them.... don't forget to turn yours on.
12 Hmmmm.... I thought checking tire pressures at the time of service
included the spare. Mind you, if we trade the donut in for a full size, full
cost spare, we could always kick the kids out of the back seat so we can
retain trunk space. The old VW Beetle had a real nifty low spare tire
warning pressure gauge... the windshield washers would quit working...
13 I'd like to see a low tire pressure warning sysem that actually worked,
didn't cost a gazillion bux to fox after the kid at the tire store screwed
up the transponder, and didn't require someone to actually try and figure
out what "warning... low tire" meant on the message center.
14 this would eliminate 90% of the drivers on the road. Driving is a
privilege, not a right. There are vat numbers of people that aren't good
with machinery.... and a car is just another piece of machinery...
15 Most mirrors do fold out of the way.... however, as a motorist, it
behooves me to use my God-given senses to stay out of ttrouble. Those times
when I turn int a pedestrian or cyclist, I should also use my God-given
senses to stay out of harms way... Quit staring at your navel... it's
impolite.
16 Yes.... about 2 or 3 tons of armour should about do it..... especially
since this will save crude oil stocks.
17 Most everything I work on has sway bars front and back.... don't know
what you're looking at.
18 I like this one..... for most instances the roof should be sufficient
roll-over protection.... well aside from the fact that we should drive with
idea that the roof should remain pointing up. However, we could add a 12
point cage to the "under-armour" ... the added weight should preseve crude
oil stocks for years to come.
19 None of Fords new vehicles feature drum brakes as anything other than
parking brakes. Drum brakes worked well for many. many years.... right up
until they invented idiots.
20 and 21 I'll have some of what you're smoking.
We will not see any reduction in traffic accidents untl people start
treating motor vehicle operation with the respect it deserves.... We oooh
and ahhh over aerobatic teams and such concentrating on each manoeuver...
then we climb on to the freeway talking on the cell phone enjoying our
beverages and snacks, ready stuff, lost in our tunes and paying more
attention to the kids in the back seat (providing we didn't put the spare
there) than to our driving.... all the while, instead of working with the
other fliers in our formation, we are pissed at them because they are all
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Since: Oct 24, 2004 Posts: 413
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:52 pm
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On 15 Apr 2005 23:22:07 -0700, eastwardbound2003.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:
>First and foremost I'm not posting this in the Ford newsgroup in order
>to discriminate against any particular make for shortcomings as all
>Brands of Autos suffer from the same problems that I'm going to bring
>forward.
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>#1 Oversized transmission cooler with low pressure bypass valve for
>driving in hot weather, towing, hilly terrain, etc.
Cost and weight (important for CAFE)
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>#2 Magnetic filters for transmission, motor, radiator, and power
>steering fluids.
Cost
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>#3 Bypass oil filters used in conjunction with the already standard
>flow through filters. FILTERS NEED TO BE LOCATED IN A CONVENIENT
>LOCATION FOR EASY REPLACEMENT!!!
Cost and weight (again, CAFE)
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>#4 Oil coolers for cars with and without superchargers or
>turbochargers. (After all, when the motor oil gets too hot it will
>break down and this will wear out the engine rapidly.)
>
See above
>#5 External spin-on transmission filters instead of internal for
>easier replacement.
See above, plus the manufacturers are trying to REDUCE maintenance.
>
>#6 Oil sump pans with louvers/air veins on them for increased oil
>cooling.
See above - plus in many situations the fins would pack up with dirt.
(many cars already have lightly finned cast aluminum sumps)
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>#7 Oil change reminders on dashboard that uses a computer w/sensors in
>order to decide once oil is contaminated enough to warrant changing -
>it also would need a 500 mile warning ahead of time in case your on a
>long distance trip. (GM already uses something like this on all of
>it's cars and it has saved millions of tons of crude oil.)
>
>#8 Low Oil Level warning lights. The Low oil pressure warning lights
>simply are not enough. By the time pressure drops too low it's already
>too late and engine damage has already occurred in some shape or form.
>(Most motorists are stupid and never check their oil level.)
Many vehicles already have this - but it is a cost issue.
>
>#9 An extra electric cooling fan pointed at the alternator in case
>it's tucked away in such a way that it doesn't get enough cool air flow
>inside the engine bay.
Cost and weight
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>#10 FOG LIGHTS STANDARD
Real fog lights? Anything less is a waste - and NONE of the current
crop of OEM fog lights is worth their weight. Again, weight and cost
( and liability issues -)
>
>#11 Purple warning/hazard lights that flash just like the
>Hazard/Safety lights that are already standard. These purple warning
>lights warn other motorists that YOU or ME as a driver is somewhat
>compromised but are still needing to continue driving only with extra
>caution. EXAMPLE: Sudden downpour and I or YOU happen to have tires
>that are worn or not suited for wet season. Or wiper blades happen to
>be old and don't clear the windshield, OR defroster is not working
>properly all of a sudden. Or let's say we I or YOU had a flat tire and
>so now were driving on a donut sized tire on a major interstate in
>Nevada where big rigs want to go 85+MPH while ME or YOU are forced to
>go 55 - 60 mph because the donut spares are only rated for 55 MPH tops,
>going faster MAY damage the cars differential. (These purple warning
>lights show other drivers that the compromised driver is being extra
>careful and so if they are driving a little slow than the lights add to
>the needed communication for other motorists to go around when it's
>safe to do so.) On the road, communication is the key for safety! We
>need more warning lights than the standard safety flashers, it couldn't
>be more obvious.
That's all we need - more distractions to ignore.
>
>#12 FULL SIZE SPARE TIRE W/a warning dash light that goes off if the
>spare tire for some reason becomes under inflated while it's stored
>under the trunk bed.
Full size spares dissapeared for a reason - CAFE and cargo space. As
for the monitors, see cost above.
>
>#13 Warning dash light for under inflated tires. I have seen too many
>motorists on the road driving around on under inflated tires. 5 times
>out of 10 the tires explode while I'm driving close enough to witness
>it happen - just like watching a horror movie. On light truck on up,
>tires explode when under inflated. On passenger cars they are less
>likely to fail but they do have thread separation which is still
>dangerous only not as bad as a blowout.
This is coming - just an expese issue on lower end cars.
>
>#14 The option for motorist that know how to properly maintain their
>cars in the first place to be able to buy their cars new without all
>the idiot lights in order to not have to pay as much as the motorists
>that don't know the difference between a cam shaft and a drive shaft.
I'd pay extra for real gauges.
>Motorists need to be able to pass a maintenance competency test and if
>they do poorly on it, they need to drive the "dummy" car by law or face
>a stiff penalty. This should eliminate 90% of all the broken down cars
>on the road that cause more accidents, bottle necks, and traffic
>fatalities & injuries.
Doubtful. Many who know enough to pass the test are just too lazy and
too cheap to maintain their vehicles the way they KNOW they should.
>
>#15 Foldable side mirrors mandatory. Motorists should be required to
>fold in their mirrors (both of them) when parallel parked. This
>protects bicyclists on the road and pedestrians on the sidewalk. This
>also helps improve auto traffic safety because side view mirrors are
>one less obstacle on the road to worry about.
So, you make them automatic, so you can NOT drive away with them
folded, and they pop out and hit somebody when you start the car.
Almost all north american sold vehicles already have safety breakaway
mirrors - most of which CAN be folded.
>
>#16 All vehicles need to be required to have under armor. In other
>words, steel plates/shields need to be installed beneath the
>undercarriage stock by the factory. This will protect the fuel line,
>fuel filter, and gas tank(s) from rupturing from road debris and other
>road hazards. Vehicles made with gas tanks in unsafe locations by the
>manufacturer should be banned from being sold in North America. Gas
>tanks need to be made as "fuel cells" like the ones used on racetracks,
>strong, sturdy, and impenetrable. The under armor will also protect
>the brake lines from rupturing from road debris further protecting
>against failed brakes and sudden loss of brake pressure.
>
Lots of reasons for this. Weight being number one, cost a close
second, and serviceability not far behind. Add to that the FACT that
this underpan would hold dirt and cause corrosion - OBVIOUS you are
not a mechanic. Also obvious you are not in the "salt belt"
I've driven vehicles with skid pans - and they are a TOTAL PAIN to
maintain. Also, cooling issues can be caused if the skid pan is not
very well designed.
>#17 Front and Rear sway bars mandatory
Why? For average town driving, many vehicles do NOT need sway bars -
at least not on both ends. Just more weight and cost - and MOST cars
today have them on at least one end.
>
>#18 Rollover bar(s) mandatory on all cars integrated into the roof and
>body/chassis so in most cars it wouldn't be obvious
>
Rollover protection is already mandated by north american law.
>#19 Disc brakes front and BACK mandatory
Again, why? not necessary. More costly. Not necessarilly better either
- they DO have more mainenance issues
>
>#20 Engine block/oil heaters mandatory with both plug in and timer
>that runs off of the cars SECOND battery for the purpose. This would
>save fuel as the engine would already be preheated and this would
>increase longevity.
More expenseive and extra weight/complexity, as well as TOTALLY
un-necessary in the majority of North America. Also a VERY serious
energy issue - if every car in North America turned on a 750-1500 watt
block heater every morning when everyone is also making coffee, making
tost, frying eggs, and running the hair dryer/curling iron imagine the
impact on the Hydro grid!!!!!!!!
>
>And #21 Electric oil pump on timer to lubricate engine before start up
>each morning. Used in conjunction with engine block heater.
>
See above.
>
>If all of the above could be done in a reasonable amount of time
>traffic fatalities would go down 80% guaranteed.
You have anything to back tat up????
> Cars would have an
>average life span of 30 years instead of 10 years as they are now.
The average age of the North American fleet is well up there - a ten
year old car is NOT an oddity any more. Can't remember the figures,
but fleet average age is already well up in the teens.
Most Americans won't drive the same car longer than 5 years anyway -
and many change every 2.
Also, the automotive industry DRIVES the north american economy - and
if cars lasted twice as long, a very large percentage of north
american manufacturing (what little we have left) would close down.
YOU might be one who loses your job.
>
>It's just like buying more expensive furniture instead of the cheap
>stuff the breaks easily. With the more expensive furniture you can
>keep them longer and they stay nice longer. In the long term you save
>lots of money despite the initial higher cost.
Yes - but tell THAT to Mr / Mrs average american. They want it NOW,
and they want it CHEAP. And they want something new and different next
year to keep up with the "Joneses" Why else do companies like WalMart
and Costco, to say nothing of Dollar Stores thrive in North America?
You can hardly buy anything of decent quality any more because all
manufacturing is being outsourced to China / Mexico / Korea etc for
cost reasons.
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