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Since: Dec 22, 2006
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:24 pm
Post subject: problem starting Saab diesel after running out of fuel
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I foolishly ran out of fuel in Saab 9-5 3.0TiD yesterday 10 miles from home
(the display showed I still had enough fuel for 30 miles). An insurance
company man brought me 10 liters of fuel and it took me 1.5 hrs to start the
engine. At times I turned the starter for as long as 30 secs. I
unsuccessfully tried to locate a fuel filter or a fuel pump somewhere under
the hood. Finally, when the battery was half-dead, the engine started. My
questions are as follows:
What is one supposed to do in such situations (other than make sure they do
not happen)?
What are the risks/potential damage?
Where is the fuel pump located anyway?
Thanks and best regards
TW |
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Since: Jan 22, 2007
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:33 pm
Post subject: Re: problem starting Saab diesel after running out of fuel [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Trespassers W" <trespassers_w DeleteThis @nerdshack.com> wrote in message
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> I foolishly ran out of fuel in Saab 9-5 3.0TiD yesterday 10 miles from
home
> (the display showed I still had enough fuel for 30 miles). An insurance
> company man brought me 10 liters of fuel and it took me 1.5 hrs to start
the
> engine. At times I turned the starter for as long as 30 secs. I
> unsuccessfully tried to locate a fuel filter or a fuel pump somewhere
under
> the hood. Finally, when the battery was half-dead, the engine started. My
> questions are as follows:
> What is one supposed to do in such situations (other than make sure they
do
> not happen)?
Whenever a diesel system on any engine runs out of fuel, it is always
difficult to get going again because the air drawn into the fuel system
creates loads of airlocks & are always hard to shift. The best way I know of
to get rid of the air in the system is to crack the pipe at the most
convenient point by loosening off a union as close to the fuel injectors as
you can get. When you switch the key on I think the fuel pump pressurises
the fuel system without having to turn the engine over, so hopefully it will
continually try to pressurise the system & push the air out of the cracked
point. When fuel comes out, switch off the ignition & tighten up the union.
Hopefully your car should then start within 2 or 3 times.
> What are the risks/potential damage?
The only risks I am aware of is that if you repeated try & start the car,
anything that is fuel lubricated is likely to get damaged very quickly, so
you might have damaged the fuel pump, but this should be apparent is you
notice a drop in performance of your car.
> Where is the fuel pump located anyway?
Don't know - sorry
> Thanks and best regards
> TW
>
HTH
kds:-) |
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Since: Sep 02, 2006
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:16 am
Post subject: Re: problem starting Saab diesel after running out of fuel [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"kingdoodlesquat" <neggerscheggers.DeleteThis@negatseacatspam.com> writes:
> "Trespassers W" <trespassers_w.DeleteThis@nerdshack.com> wrote
> > I foolishly ran out of fuel in Saab 9-5 3.0TiD yesterday 10 miles from
> home
> > (the display showed I still had enough fuel for 30 miles). An insurance
> > company man brought me 10 liters of fuel and it took me 1.5 hrs to start
> the
> > engine. At times I turned the starter for as long as 30 secs. I
> > unsuccessfully tried to locate a fuel filter or a fuel pump somewhere
> under
> > the hood. Finally, when the battery was half-dead, the engine started. My
> > questions are as follows:
> > What is one supposed to do in such situations (other than make sure they
> do
> > not happen)?
>
> Whenever a diesel system on any engine runs out of fuel, it is always
> difficult to get going again because the air drawn into the fuel system
> creates loads of airlocks & are always hard to shift. The best way I know of
> to get rid of the air in the system is to crack the pipe at the most
> convenient point by loosening off a union as close to the fuel injectors as
> you can get. When you switch the key on I think the fuel pump pressurises
> the fuel system without having to turn the engine over, so hopefully it will
> continually try to pressurise the system & push the air out of the cracked
> point. When fuel comes out, switch off the ignition & tighten up the union.
> Hopefully your car should then start within 2 or 3 times.
War story: Caterpillar tractors are all but impossible
to start again even with a starting engine if the main
engine is run out of fuel. Did you ever try towing a
D8 Cat to get it started? >> Stay informed about: problem starting Saab diesel after running out of fuel |
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Since: Dec 22, 2006
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:33 am
Post subject: Re: problem starting Saab diesel after running out of fuel [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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What are the risks/potential damage?
>
> The only risks I am aware of is that if you repeated try & start the car,
> anything that is fuel lubricated is likely to get damaged very quickly, so
> you might have damaged the fuel pump, but this should be apparent is you
> notice a drop in performance of your car.
>
>
> Don't know - sorry
> >
> HTH
>_________
Thanks a lot for a professional piece of advice.
Best regards
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:22 pm
Post subject: Re: problem starting Saab diesel after running out of fuel [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Everett M. Greene" <mojaveg.DeleteThis@mojaveg.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com> wrote in message
news:20070123.7A1F558.97B1@mojaveg.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...
> "kingdoodlesquat" <neggerscheggers.DeleteThis@negatseacatspam.com> writes:
> > "Trespassers W" <trespassers_w.DeleteThis@nerdshack.com> wrote
> > > I foolishly ran out of fuel in Saab 9-5 3.0TiD yesterday 10 miles from
> > home
> > > (the display showed I still had enough fuel for 30 miles). An
insurance
> > > company man brought me 10 liters of fuel and it took me 1.5 hrs to
start
> > the
> > > engine. At times I turned the starter for as long as 30 secs. I
> > > unsuccessfully tried to locate a fuel filter or a fuel pump somewhere
> > under
> > > the hood. Finally, when the battery was half-dead, the engine started.
My
> > > questions are as follows:
> > > What is one supposed to do in such situations (other than make sure
they
> > do
> > > not happen)?
> >
> > Whenever a diesel system on any engine runs out of fuel, it is always
> > difficult to get going again because the air drawn into the fuel system
> > creates loads of airlocks & are always hard to shift. The best way I
know of
> > to get rid of the air in the system is to crack the pipe at the most
> > convenient point by loosening off a union as close to the fuel injectors
as
> > you can get. When you switch the key on I think the fuel pump
pressurises
> > the fuel system without having to turn the engine over, so hopefully it
will
> > continually try to pressurise the system & push the air out of the
cracked
> > point. When fuel comes out, switch off the ignition & tighten up the
union.
> > Hopefully your car should then start within 2 or 3 times.
>
> War story: Caterpillar tractors are all but impossible
> to start again even with a starting engine if the main
> engine is run out of fuel. Did you ever try towing a
> D8 Cat to get it started?
You could always push it downhill with a prevailing wind!!! I've had similar
nightmares trying to get train engines started.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:05 am
Post subject: Re: problem starting Saab diesel after running out of fuel [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"kingdoodlesquat" <neggerscheggers.DeleteThis@negatseacatspam.com> schreef in bericht
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> "Everett M. Greene" <mojaveg.DeleteThis@mojaveg.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com> wrote in
> message
> news:20070123.7A1F558.97B1@mojaveg.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...
>> "kingdoodlesquat" <neggerscheggers.DeleteThis@negatseacatspam.com> writes:
>> > "Trespassers W" <trespassers_w.DeleteThis@nerdshack.com> wrote
>> > > I foolishly ran out of fuel in Saab 9-5 3.0TiD yesterday 10 miles
>> > > from
>> > home
>> > > (the display showed I still had enough fuel for 30 miles). An
> insurance
>> > > company man brought me 10 liters of fuel and it took me 1.5 hrs to
> start
>> > the
{SNIP}
>> > continually try to pressurise the system & push the air out of the
> cracked
>> > point. When fuel comes out, switch off the ignition & tighten up the
> union.
>> > Hopefully your car should then start within 2 or 3 times.
>>
>> War story: Caterpillar tractors are all but impossible
>> to start again even with a starting engine if the main
>> engine is run out of fuel. Did you ever try towing a
>> D8 Cat to get it started?
>
> You could always push it downhill with a prevailing wind!!! I've had
> similar
> nightmares trying to get train engines started.
>
> kds
>
Hello,
are you really serious about this?
I just can not imagine a "larger" diesel engine to NOT have some sort of
bleeding mechanism. All the marine diesels I have come across had a sort of
manual pump that includes an automatic bleeding valve....
How do they start those big engines up for the first time (at the factory) ?
Just curious.
Richard. >> Stay informed about: problem starting Saab diesel after running out of fuel |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:10 am
Post subject: Re: problem starting Saab diesel after running out of fuel [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> ... The best way I know of to get rid of the air in the system is to crack
> the pipe at the most convenient point by loosening off a union as close to
> the fuel injectors as you can get.
I remember on the older Diesel engines there used to be a lever on the fuel pump
that you could operate by hand, to bleed the fuel lines of air.
--
MH
'72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96
'91 900i >> Stay informed about: problem starting Saab diesel after running out of fuel |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:13 am
Post subject: Re: problem starting Saab diesel after running out of fuel [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> All the marine diesels I have come across had a sort of
> manual pump that includes an automatic bleeding valve....
That's what I remember exactly...
> How do they start those big engines up for the first time (at the factory) ?
They probably prime all the fuel lines with an electric pump.
--
MH
'72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96
'91 900i >> Stay informed about: problem starting Saab diesel after running out of fuel |
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Since: Jan 22, 2007
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:47 am
Post subject: Re: problem starting Saab diesel after running out of fuel [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> Hello,
> are you really serious about this?
> I just can not imagine a "larger" diesel engine to NOT have some sort of
> bleeding mechanism. All the marine diesels I have come across had a sort
of
> manual pump that includes an automatic bleeding valve....
>
> How do they start those big engines up for the first time (at the factory)
?
>
> Just curious.
>
> Richard.
>
I've worked on diesel generators in the Royal Navy & on diesel engines /
heaters on trains after I left & I've had nothing but heartache getting air
out the fuel systems. All the problems I found always seemed to occur with
fuel lines which had plenty of bends in the pipework & presumably plenty of
places for air to be trapped, but I never came across anything which had
built in bleed valves in the fuel system specifically for this purposes or
manually operated pumps (I think). I'd put that down to typical British
engineering & design. I seem to remember that on the new built trains, we
had a bloke who had a series of portable pumps to charge the fluid systems,
but I might be wrong, it was some years ago.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:16 am
Post subject: Re: problem starting Saab diesel after running out of fuel [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Trespassers W schrieb:
> I foolishly ran out of fuel in Saab 9-5 3.0TiD yesterday 10 miles from home
> (the display showed I still had enough fuel for 30 miles). An insurance
> company man brought me 10 liters of fuel and it took me 1.5 hrs to start the
> engine. At times I turned the starter for as long as 30 secs. I
> unsuccessfully tried to locate a fuel filter or a fuel pump somewhere under
> the hood. Finally, when the battery was half-dead, the engine started. My
> questions are as follows:
> What is one supposed to do in such situations (other than make sure they do
> not happen)?
> What are the risks/potential damage?
> Where is the fuel pump located anyway?
> Thanks and best regards
> TW
>
>
hi tw,
i had this prob a long time ago: as i ran out of fuel, i parked my car
on the right side, called the saab assistance and got the
adac-helping-guy send to my place. he electricaly connected his van to
mine and tried starting the engine several times. after not longer then
5 min the engine ran for itself. no other probs no discussion.
afterwards, few months later, i had to change the (damaged) battery. as
a serviceman from "banner" told my, the batteries in our 3.0 tid are to
small in capacity and larger ones do not fit in the same place.
best wishes to u
chris >> Stay informed about: problem starting Saab diesel after running out of fuel |
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