long time at idle

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:42:49 +0200, D <news.RemoveThis@grangerhall.org.uk> wrote
Re Re: long time at idle:

>
>> My question is, is it better to just leave it in drive or shift into
>> neutral during long 2-4 minute periods of not moving?

We see a lot of that here in America, only instead of a Focus it's a
"soccer-mom" in an Excursion or some other brand PigUV.

>Turn it off?
>Park nearby, walk to school, pick up kids, walk back to car?

What an excellent idea!
 >> Stay informed about: long time at idle 

I am in the minority with the 2003 ZX5. There are so many trucks and
SUVs that you have to look hard to find a small car in the bunch. We
also have an Explorer V8 that we use to pull an RV on rare occasions.
The Explorer mainly stays in the driveway. I actually put a battery
charger on it once and a while to keep the battery up, it gets used so
infrequently.

What really bugs me is that while in line and waiting for the bell to
ring and no cars are moving for 12-20mins, these people keep their
engines running. I am afraid nothing will change here until maybe
another generation or two. Too many people still think nothing of $3
a gallon gas.




On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 05:47:42 -0500, Caesar Romano <Spam.RemoveThis@uce.gov>
wrote:

>On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:42:49 +0200, D <news.RemoveThis@grangerhall.org.uk> wrote
>Re Re: long time at idle:
>
>>
>>> My question is, is it better to just leave it in drive or shift into
>>> neutral during long 2-4 minute periods of not moving?
>
>We see a lot of that here in America, only instead of a Focus it's a
>"soccer-mom" in an Excursion or some other brand PigUV.
>
>>Turn it off?
>>Park nearby, walk to school, pick up kids, walk back to car?
>
>What an excellent idea!
 >> Stay informed about: long time at idle 

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:44:01 -0400, Jay1028 <jaylevin....TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
wrote Re Re: long time at idle:

>I am afraid nothing will change here until maybe
>another generation or two.

It won't be nearly that long. In another 10-years we'll be seeing
$6/gal gasoline here in the U.S. and probably twice that in
Europe/U.K.
 >> Stay informed about: long time at idle 

Caesar Romano wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:44:01 -0400, Jay1028 <jaylevin....TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
> wrote Re Re: long time at idle:
>
>>I am afraid nothing will change here until maybe
>>another generation or two.
>
> It won't be nearly that long. In another 10-years we'll be seeing
> $6/gal gasoline here in the U.S. and probably twice that in
> Europe/U.K.

IANAM (I Am Not A Mathematician), but I make the current price of UK "gas"
as 7.28USD per US gallon!

Chris

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 >> Stay informed about: long time at idle 

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:16:24 GMT, Chris Whelan <cawhelan.RemoveThis@ntlworld.com>
wrote Re Re: long time at idle:

>Caesar Romano wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:44:01 -0400, Jay1028 <jaylevin....RemoveThis@gmail.com>
>> wrote Re Re: long time at idle:
>>
>>>I am afraid nothing will change here until maybe
>>>another generation or two.
>>
>> It won't be nearly that long. In another 10-years we'll be seeing
>> $6/gal gasoline here in the U.S. and probably twice that in
>> Europe/U.K.
>
>IANAM (I Am Not A Mathematician), but I make the current price of UK "gas"
>as 7.28USD per US gallon!
>
>Chris

Well, I was being an optimist, but I guess $6/gal gasoline (i.e.
doubling of price) with 5-years in the U.S. is probably closer to the
mark.

What is the current price in Euro's/L of gasoline in Europe?
 >> Stay informed about: long time at idle 

In message <IGYFi.32160$Db6.342@newsfe3-win.ntli.net>, Chris Whelan
<cawhelan.RemoveThis@ntlworld.com> wrote
>Caesar Romano wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:44:01 -0400, Jay1028 <jaylevin....RemoveThis@gmail.com>
>> wrote Re Re: long time at idle:
>>
>>>I am afraid nothing will change here until maybe
>>>another generation or two.
>>
>> It won't be nearly that long. In another 10-years we'll be seeing
>> $6/gal gasoline here in the U.S. and probably twice that in
>> Europe/U.K.
>
>IANAM (I Am Not A Mathematician), but I make the current price of UK "gas"
>as 7.28USD per US gallon!
>

The last tankful of petrol (gas) in my UK Focus was equivalent to 90
USD.

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 >> Stay informed about: long time at idle 

Caesar Romano wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:16:24 GMT, Chris Whelan <cawhelan.RemoveThis@ntlworld.com>
> wrote Re Re: long time at idle:
>
>> Caesar Romano wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:44:01 -0400, Jay1028 <jaylevin....RemoveThis@gmail.com>
>>> wrote Re Re: long time at idle:
>>>
>>>> I am afraid nothing will change here until maybe
>>>> another generation or two.
>>> It won't be nearly that long. In another 10-years we'll be seeing
>>> $6/gal gasoline here in the U.S. and probably twice that in
>>> Europe/U.K.
>> IANAM (I Am Not A Mathematician), but I make the current price of UK "gas"
>> as 7.28USD per US gallon!
>>
>> Chris
>
> Well, I was being an optimist, but I guess $6/gal gasoline (i.e.
> doubling of price) with 5-years in the U.S. is probably closer to the
> mark.
>
> What is the current price in Euro's/L of gasoline in Europe?

Lowest price in stockholm/sweden is 11.09 skr/L, which is about 1.2 euro.
/Jorgen
 >> Stay informed about: long time at idle 

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:36:50 +0200, Jorgen Moquist
<jorgen.moquist.RemoveThis@n.o.s.p.a.m.mailbox.swipnet.se> wrote Re Re: long time
at idle:

>Caesar Romano wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:16:24 GMT, Chris Whelan <cawhelan.RemoveThis@ntlworld.com>
>> wrote Re Re: long time at idle:
>>
>>> Caesar Romano wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:44:01 -0400, Jay1028 <jaylevin....RemoveThis@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote Re Re: long time at idle:
>>>>
>>>>> I am afraid nothing will change here until maybe
>>>>> another generation or two.
>>>> It won't be nearly that long. In another 10-years we'll be seeing
>>>> $6/gal gasoline here in the U.S. and probably twice that in
>>>> Europe/U.K.
>>> IANAM (I Am Not A Mathematician), but I make the current price of UK "gas"
>>> as 7.28USD per US gallon!
>>>
>>> Chris
>>
>> Well, I was being an optimist, but I guess $6/gal gasoline (i.e.
>> doubling of price) with 5-years in the U.S. is probably closer to the
>> mark.
>>
>> What is the current price in Euro's/L of gasoline in Europe?
>
>Lowest price in stockholm/sweden is 11.09 skr/L, which is about 1.2 euro.
>/Jorgen

Ok then: 1.2 euro x 1.38usd/euro = 2.58usd/L

2.58usd/L x 3.8L/usg = 9.80usd/usg

So Stockholm is about 5-years ahead of the U.S. on the pretroleum
price curve.
 >> Stay informed about: long time at idle 

Caesar Romano wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:36:50 +0200, Jorgen Moquist
> <jorgen.moquist.TakeThisOut@n.o.s.p.a.m.mailbox.swipnet.se> wrote Re Re: long time
> at idle:
>
>> Caesar Romano wrote:
>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:16:24 GMT, Chris Whelan <cawhelan.TakeThisOut@ntlworld.com>
>>> wrote Re Re: long time at idle:
>>>
>>>> Caesar Romano wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:44:01 -0400, Jay1028 <jaylevin....TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote Re Re: long time at idle:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am afraid nothing will change here until maybe
>>>>>> another generation or two.
>>>>> It won't be nearly that long. In another 10-years we'll be seeing
>>>>> $6/gal gasoline here in the U.S. and probably twice that in
>>>>> Europe/U.K.
>>>> IANAM (I Am Not A Mathematician), but I make the current price of UK "gas"
>>>> as 7.28USD per US gallon!
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>> Well, I was being an optimist, but I guess $6/gal gasoline (i.e.
>>> doubling of price) with 5-years in the U.S. is probably closer to the
>>> mark.
>>>
>>> What is the current price in Euro's/L of gasoline in Europe?
>> Lowest price in stockholm/sweden is 11.09 skr/L, which is about 1.2 euro.
>> /Jorgen
>
> Ok then: 1.2 euro x 1.38usd/euro = 2.58usd/L
>
> 2.58usd/L x 3.8L/usg = 9.80usd/usg
>
> So Stockholm is about 5-years ahead of the U.S. on the pretroleum
> price curve.

today our "beloved leaders" announced an extra carbondioxide tax.
0.29 skr extra per litre petrol, 0.50 skr extra for diesel.
/Jorgen
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