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Since: Jun 22, 2004 Posts: 1264
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(Msg. 61) Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:46 am
Post subject: Re: German car? no thanks (was Re: is250 vs. 325i) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: alt>autos>lexus, others (more info?)
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In article <elmop-27AF9A.17072916082006 DeleteThis @nntp3.usenetserver.com>,
Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop DeleteThis @nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > Then you're right to have a Lexus. Designed for those to whom driving is
> > no more than a chore.
> I never said driving was no more than a chore.
> What I said was--now listen carefully--if I have to make the choice
> between having fun driving a car (because that costs money) and having
> fun on a beach on Hawaii, I'll CHOOSE to have my fun in Hawaii instead
> of paying for fun in a car.
So get a Skoda and have fun in the Seychelles...
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Since: Jun 22, 2004 Posts: 1264
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(Msg. 62) Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:47 am
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In article <1155765228.410485.150520.DeleteThis@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
<clifffreeling.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Manicure my ass. My hands are scuffed up as I speak from doing
> work under the hood last week (belt replacements). The frigging
> things were already cracking at 28,000 miles.
Ignore the cracking - they all do that. They'll be ok for double that
mileage.
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Since: Feb 26, 2005 Posts: 73
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(Msg. 63) Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:01 am
Post subject: Re: Hate Group Lies, no thanks (Was: German car? no thanks (was Re: is250 vs. 325i)) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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I know you.... Your grammer and lack of anything close to proper
punctuation gives you away. Welcome back to the world of the living,
now crawl away and die.
On 16 Aug 2006 10:17:11 -0700, clifffreeling DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
>
>David Z wrote:
>> <clifffreeling DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1155741385.944013.250710@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > "Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
>> > the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
>> > ---Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
>> > --
>> > Cliff
>>
>> Your sig is a fabricated lie promulgated by hate groups.
>
>The claim that Israel kills so many Arab children because they
>use them as shields, that Isreal is just defending itself, that
>Israel's interests are the same as American interests are the
>big lies being told today.
>
>Have you read the Mearsheimer/ Walt Report? Or do you
>believe the Zionist lie that they got their infomation from hate
>sites?
>
>> See:
>> http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issue=373&x_article=373
>
>Zionist site.... apparently the favorite for people like you.
>
>-----
>Kill ratio of Palestinian children to Israeli children 5.7-to-1,
>Israel's favor.
>Kill ratio of all Palestinians to Israelis: over 3-to-1.
>---------
>http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html
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>"Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
>the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
> ---Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001 >> Stay informed about: is250 vs. 325i |
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Since: Jan 17, 2007 Posts: 212
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(Msg. 64) Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:14 am
Post subject: Re: German car? no thanks (was Re: is250 vs. 325i) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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In article <1155756261.341644.294300.TakeThisOut@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
E28 Guyİ <88.535is.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In all, I have spend MANY thousands of dollars in repairs.
>
>Gee; probably more than I've spent on my car *and* its repairs. Meet
Now I feel bad. I bought my 633 4 years ago for $500 at a dealer auction.
Nobody wanted to touch an exotic complicated expensive to maintain car
like that.
I put in a new brake bomb, soft lines and had to locate a NLA
turn signal bezel.
Oh, it ate a fuse once too. The car is not rusty, the interior looks
new and it goes like a scalded cat and handles like a Lotus 7.
I've spent more than the price of car+maintenance, just on shocks
(struts actually) for a Japanese car.
Just one data point. And proof that to say "all german cars are
expensive to maintain" is factually incorrect.
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633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net >> Stay informed about: is250 vs. 325i |
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Since: Apr 01, 2005 Posts: 31
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(Msg. 65) Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 am
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Fred W wrote:
> My gawd!! That damned BMW can't make a belt that won't crack before 28k
> miles?
>
> Oh that's right... BMW doesn't make belts. They buy them just like
> every other freeking car manufacturer.
Yeah, just like they buy those shitty GM France auto trannies and stick
them in their new cars at the BMW factory.
>
> Dolt.
Did I upset your widdu feelings?
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Since: Dec 28, 2005 Posts: 275
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(Msg. 66) Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:27 am
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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
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> Life is full of choices. For example, I prefer to be on the beach in
> Hawaii over driving a BMW. If I can do both, great. If not, if I have
> to rank them, I'll take the beach.
>
Lying on a beach (anywhere)?
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
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Since: Dec 28, 2005 Posts: 275
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(Msg. 67) Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:37 am
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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>
> What I said was--now listen carefully--if I have to make the choice
> between having fun driving a car (because that costs money) and having
> fun on a beach on Hawaii, I'll CHOOSE to have my fun in Hawaii instead
> of paying for fun in a car.
>
> Choices. It's all about choices. I can accept the Lexus for what it
> is--a dead-reliable choice for transport that does the job very well and
> which allows me to put my discretionary--DISCRETIONARY, look it
> up--dollars into a *more* enjoyable endeavor.
>
> And interestingly enough--it puts a smile on my face knowing that that
> car allows me to make the choice, that I'm not stuck with a world of
> cars that are all expensive to own.
>
This is all really quite hilariious considering that Lexuses (Lexi?) and
BMWs cost about the same amount to purchase new and BMWs cost absolutely
nothing to maintain during the 4 year warranty.
Just ignoring any difference in fun-factor right now, how is that Lexus
saving you money? What model do you own that is so much less expensive
than a BMW?
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Since: Dec 28, 2005 Posts: 275
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(Msg. 68) Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:40 am
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clifffreeling.RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote:
> E28 Guyİ wrote:
>>
>>An enthusiast can often fix it. But messing up your manicure working
>>on your car would be beneath *you*, wouldn't it?
>
>
> Manicure my ass. My hands are scuffed up as I speak from doing
> work under the hood last week (belt replacements). The frigging
> things were already cracking at 28,000 miles.
>
My gawd!! That damned BMW can't make a belt that won't crack before 28k
miles?
Oh that's right... BMW doesn't make belts. They buy them just like
every other freeking car manufacturer.
Dolt.
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Since: Dec 28, 2005 Posts: 275
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(Msg. 69) Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:57 am
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clifffreeling.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:
> Fred W wrote:
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>>My gawd!! That damned BMW can't make a belt that won't crack before 28k
>>miles?
>>
>>Oh that's right... BMW doesn't make belts. They buy them just like
>>every other freeking car manufacturer.
>
>
> Yeah, just like they buy those shitty GM France auto trannies and stick
> them in their new cars at the BMW factory.
>
>
>>Dolt.
>
>
> Did I upset your widdu feelings?
>
Not in the least. But thanks for your concern.
You really should see a specialist about that speech problem though,
Elmer...
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Since: Jun 04, 2006 Posts: 10
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(Msg. 70) Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:41 pm
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What do you drive?
============
BuckShot LeFunk
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1998 LS 400
1999 E320 4-Matic
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
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> I am. Quite a bit.
>
> But for a daily driver, and for most people, the German cars come at a
> much higher expense than what they offer. Period.
> >> Stay informed about: is250 vs. 325i |
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Since: May 09, 2005 Posts: 5
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(Msg. 71) Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:03 pm
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop.DeleteThis@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <1155754626.097395.278220.DeleteThis@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "E28 Guyİ" <88.535is.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Life is full of choices. I'd rather choose the "boring" car that puts a
>> > smile on my face every day, knowing that the money I'm saving allows me
>> > to do other, MUCH more fun things in life than driving.
>>
>> If greed puts more of a smile on your face than driving a fine
>> automobile, then you are not a driving enthusiast.
>
>Who said anything about greed?
>
>You're putting words in people's mouths now--all so you can try to
>justify yourself.
>
>Life is full of choices. For example, I prefer to be on the beach in
>Hawaii over driving a BMW. If I can do both, great. If not, if I have
>to rank them, I'll take the beach.
Get rid of your BMWs NOW. That's assuming you have any.
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Since: Nov 30, 2004 Posts: 52
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(Msg. 72) Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:00 am
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:38:08 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop DeleteThis @nastydesigns.com>
wrote:
>.... The German car costs quite a bit of money for what it ultimately offers.
Yes, it does. But to some of us, what it offers is *essential.* And the
character of European performance cars is without equal in Japanese cars, which
are basically either appliances or clones of previously existing European cars,
which in only very rare exceptional cases exceed their derivative limitations:
the Datsun 510, the RX-7, the original Z, and a small subset of MX-5s.
I always have a BMW as my wife's daily driver and our touring car; I've never
had a maintenance problem with any of them. But then I put 95,000 miles on a
Fiat 124 Spider in three years without a single problem as well, and had three
Alfas to boot, plus a Fiat Dino. If you take care of things, they generally
last.
BTW, with the BMWs, I firmly believe that taking European delivery invariably
results in receiving an exceptional vehicle. I think the factory pays particular
attention to making those vehicles as good as they could possibly be.
-- Larry
1995 Miata R (~1300 total produced, 1994-97)
2002 325i sports pkg, etc.
2001 Aprilia Falco
2002 Honda 919
1985 Honda Interceptor 500
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(Msg. 73) Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:00 am
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"pltrgyst" <pltrgyst.DeleteThis@spamlessxhost.org> wrote in message
news:76eae218tetu1ui10tptrfm9p61obqhn8q@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:38:08 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
> <elmop.DeleteThis@nastydesigns.com>
> wrote:
>
>>.... The German car costs quite a bit of money for what it ultimately
>>offers.
>
> Yes, it does. But to some of us, what it offers is *essential.* And the
> character of European performance cars is without equal in Japanese cars,
> which
> are basically either appliances or clones of previously existing European
> cars,
> which in only very rare exceptional cases exceed their derivative
> limitations:
> the Datsun 510, the RX-7, the original Z, and a small subset of MX-5s.
>
> I always have a BMW as my wife's daily driver and our touring car; I've
> never
> had a maintenance problem with any of them. But then I put 95,000 miles on
> a
> Fiat 124 Spider in three years without a single problem as well, and had
> three
> Alfas to boot, plus a Fiat Dino. If you take care of things, they
> generally
> last.
>
> BTW, with the BMWs, I firmly believe that taking European delivery
> invariably
> results in receiving an exceptional vehicle. I think the factory pays
> particular
> attention to making those vehicles as good as they could possibly be.
>
> -- Larry
>
> 1995 Miata R (~1300 total produced, 1994-97)
> 2002 325i sports pkg, etc.
> 2001 Aprilia Falco
> 2002 Honda 919
> 1985 Honda Interceptor 500
> 1972 Elden FF
>
Wow, you really tempted fate. 95,000 miles on a Fiat 124 Spider, and 3
Alfas-- sounds like you have used up 4 of your (hopefully) 9 lives.
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(Msg. 74) Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:30 am
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In article <76eae218tetu1ui10tptrfm9p61obqhn8q DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
pltrgyst <pltrgyst DeleteThis @spamlessxhost.org> wrote:
>Fiat 124 Spider in three years without a single problem as well, and had three
Hey I had one of those, although a coupe. Great car and fairly trouble
free, easy to work on parts were cheap tons of fun. I heard they
were unreliable but mine wasn't if you simply looked after it properly.
I suspect if you wait for things to break then take it to the dealer
any car can be deemed unreliable. But if you understand how cars actually
work and are reasonable about things you won't relaly have trouble with
any car. Modulo certain very expensive Italian ones.
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1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net
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