full synthetic VW 505 01 in North America?

That Mobil 1 does not have 505.01 listed on its specs on their
website.

Have you looked at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.tdiclub.com" target="_blank">www.tdiclub.com</a> for this answer? More tdi owners
over there.

Mike Smith <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith RemoveThis @acm.DOT.org> wrote:

 >Achim Nolcken Lohse wrote:
 >
  >> Has anyone found a source of fully synthetic VW 505 01 engine oil in
  >> North America?
  >>
  >> The only brands I've been able to find in Canada are Motul, which is a
  >> "synthetic blend" and outrageously priced at CAD$11/Litre, and
  >> Castrol, which doesn't even show the word "synthetic" anywhere on the
  >> package, but is described by Castrol's "aslk and expert" as "a
  >> synthetic technology product", and isn't cheap either at $8.40/L.
  >>
  >> I'd prefer to run a full synthetic, even if it cost more than the
  >> above.
 >
 >If you've got AutoZone up in Canada, they sell Mobil 1 0W-40.


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jimbehning RemoveThis @doesthisblockporkmindspring.com wrote:

 > That Mobil 1 does not have 505.01 listed on its specs on their
 > website.

It was my understanding that 502.00 supersedes 505.01, and that Mobil 1
0W-40 meets 502.00? ICBW, though.

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Not sure about that. When you are discussing letters, letters farther
from A are new and improved. google does not produce any easy to find
links.

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Mike Smith <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith DeleteThis @acm.DOT.org> wrote:

 >jimbehning@doesthisblockporkmindspring.com wrote:
 >
  >> That Mobil 1 does not have 505.01 listed on its specs on their
  >> website.
 >
 >It was my understanding that 502.00 supersedes 505.01, and that Mobil 1
 >0W-40 meets 502.00? ICBW, though.


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In article <10oadposrv9apac.TakeThisOut@news.supernews.com>,
Mike Smith <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith.TakeThisOut@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
 >It was my understanding that 502.00 supersedes 505.01, and that Mobil 1
 >0W-40 meets 502.00? ICBW, though.

VW 502.00 and 505.01 are non-interchangeable.

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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:43:56 GMT,
jimbehning DeleteThis @doesthisblockporkmindspring.com wrote:

 >That Mobil 1 does not have 505.01 listed on its specs on their
 >website.
 >
 >Have you looked at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.tdiclub.com" target="_blank">www.tdiclub.com</a> for this answer? More tdi owners
 >over there.
 >
Thanks. I checked tdiclub, and did find a reference to a full
synthetic 505.01 oil there. Actually, there appear to be two, both
produced by ELF, the second being 506.01. I'm now trying to find out
whether 506.01 meets 505.01 requirements (it's described as being
suitable for diesel pump engines, but comes in 0W30 weight instead of
the 505.01's 5W40). At CDN$14/$17 respectively, they don't cost much
more than Motul's semi-synthetic.

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And I was debating over a tank of B100. My debates are cheaper and
easier.

lohsea.RemoveThis@3web.nettax (Achim Nolcken Lohse) wrote:

 >On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:43:56 GMT,
 >jimbehning@doesthisblockporkmindspring.com wrote:
 >
  >>That Mobil 1 does not have 505.01 listed on its specs on their
  >>website.
  >>
  >>Have you looked at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.tdiclub.com" target="_blank">www.tdiclub.com</a> for this answer? More tdi owners
  >>over there.
  >>
 >Thanks. I checked tdiclub, and did find a reference to a full
 >synthetic 505.01 oil there. Actually, there appear to be two, both
 >produced by ELF, the second being 506.01. I'm now trying to find out
 >whether 506.01 meets 505.01 requirements (it's described as being
 >suitable for diesel pump engines, but comes in 0W30 weight instead of
 >the 505.01's 5W40). At CDN$14/$17 respectively, they don't cost much
 >more than Motul's semi-synthetic.


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 >> Stay informed about: full synthetic VW 505 01 in North America? 

 > It was my understanding that 502.00 supersedes 505.01, and that Mobil 1
 > 0W-40 meets 502.00? ICBW, though.

Mike, it's surprisingly hard to find a definitive, conclusive answer -- but
my best understanding of all this is that 502.00 is the oil that must be
used in the 1.8T engine, and 505.01 must be used in the turbodiesel engine
with the "PD" unit injectors. They are separate specs, one did not
supersede the other.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: full synthetic VW 505 01 in North America? 

I use Elf Excellence LDX. It's $9 / Lt in canada. It doesn't specifically
say 505.01, but it's got the 502.0 spec. My TDI repair guy swears by it for
PD TDIs.

Mike

"Achim Nolcken Lohse" <lohsea.TakeThisOut@3web.nettax> wrote in message
news:418408f4.19630033@news.telus.net...
 > Has anyone found a source of fully synthetic VW 505 01 engine oil in
 > North America?
 >
 > The only brands I've been able to find in Canada are Motul, which is a
 > "synthetic blend" and outrageously priced at CAD$11/Litre, and
 > Castrol, which doesn't even show the word "synthetic" anywhere on the
 > package, but is described by Castrol's "aslk and expert" as "a
 > synthetic technology product", and isn't cheap either at $8.40/L.
 >
 > I'd prefer to run a full synthetic, even if it cost more than the
 > above.
 >
 > --
 >
 > Achim
 > _____/)
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In article <SmMhd.10544$dj2.475850@news20.bellglobal.com>,
Mikhael47 <mikhael47.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
 >I use Elf Excellence LDX. It's $9 / Lt in canada. It doesn't specifically
 >say 505.01, but it's got the 502.0 spec. My TDI repair guy swears by it for
 >PD TDIs.

VW 502.00 is not the same as 505.01. Elf does make something called
Excellium that meets the VW 505.01 rating.

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On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:59:45 -0500, "Mikhael47" <mikhael47 RemoveThis @gmail.com>
wrote:

 >I use Elf Excellence LDX. It's $9 / Lt in canada. It doesn't specifically
 >say 505.01, but it's got the 502.0 spec. My TDI repair guy swears by it for
 >PD TDIs.
 >
 >Mike
 >

Where do you buy your Elf oil? I prefer to stick to engine oil that
specifically conforms to the 505.01 standard, such as Elf Excellium
505.01, but haven't yet found a supplier.

I just got the following e-mail response from info RemoveThis @boomplustoys.net:


Sorry to inform you we are going to be dropping the ELF lineup and we
are
clearing out whatever we have left presently

Hope to be of help to you next time
Best Regards
Ken Lai

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On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:57:46 GMT, lohsea.TakeThisOut@3web.nettax (Achim Nolcken
Lohse) wrote:

....
 >I just got the following e-mail response from info.TakeThisOut@boomplustoys.net:
 >
 >
 >Sorry to inform you we are going to be dropping the ELF lineup and we
 >are
 >clearing out whatever we have left presently
 >
Today I phoned boomplustoys in Vancouver and talked to Ken Lai about
the availability of Elf engine oils. He told me he's willing to order
quantities of five litres in, but shipping it to me would be costly.
This prompted me to investigate the Elf site before plunking down $100
for my next oil change. What I found was quite interesting.

Elf's site groups auotomobile engine oils into three main categories:
synthetic, semi-synthetic, and mineral. But when one looks at the
specific product descriptions of the oils on the "synthetic" pages,
some are labelled "synthetic technology oil" (or in French "lubrifiant
de technologie de synthese").

This is the expression used for Elf Excellium DID 5W-40 (which
conforms to the VW 505.01 standard), and for Elf Evolution CRV 0W-30
(VW 506.01). This is also the exact expression that Castrol tech
support ("Ask and Expert") used when I pressed them to tell me whether
Castrol 505.01 is a mineral, synthetic, or semi-synthetic oil. Which
makes me wonder whether, in fact, Castrol 50501 Special Motor Oil is
actually the same oil as Elf Excellium DID 5W-40, possibly made on the
same production line?

The Castrol product's label says "Manufactured by Castrol in the EU",
so it perhaps it was produced by Elf under license, or maybe it's
entirely an ELF product that's been relabelled for Castrol to market
in Germany and North America. The stuff sells for CDN$8.40/L at the
Calgary VW dealerships, less than half what it would cost me to bring
the Elf product from the coast.

OTOH, the page for Elf Excellium 0W-40 (conforming to VW 500.00 and
505.00) describes it as a "100% synthetic oil". IS this difference in
terminology just a lapse in consistency, or does it actually reflect a
significant difference in the product? I've written to Elf tech
support in France asking for clarification, and am awaiting their
response.




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Sorry my bad, that's what the spec is...


"Achim Nolcken Lohse" <lohsea.DeleteThis@3web.nettax> wrote in message
news:4187c8b0.2433649@news.telus.net...
 > On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:59:45 -0500, "Mikhael47" <mikhael47.DeleteThis@gmail.com>
 > wrote:
 >
  > >I use Elf Excellence LDX. It's $9 / Lt in canada. It doesn't
specifically
  > >say 505.01, but it's got the 502.0 spec. My TDI repair guy swears by it
for
  > >PD TDIs.
  > >
  > >Mike
  > >
 >
 > Where do you buy your Elf oil? I prefer to stick to engine oil that
 > specifically conforms to the 505.01 standard, such as Elf Excellium
 > 505.01, but haven't yet found a supplier.
 >
 > I just got the following e-mail response from info.DeleteThis@boomplustoys.net:
 >
 >
 > Sorry to inform you we are going to be dropping the ELF lineup and we
 > are
 > clearing out whatever we have left presently
 >
 > Hope to be of help to you next time
 > Best Regards
 > Ken Lai
 >
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I really don't think it makes much of difference, I have two TDI's, one with
240,000 and the other with 310,000 which I have used Mobil or Amzoil,
(whichever I get a deal on) since new, with no problems as of yet. Last year
my daughter hit a curb in a snow storm and I had to replace the oil pan in the
310,000 Golf and if looked suprisingly good on the bottom end, no sludge etc
and still runs great.

If you are still interested, several of the Amzoil grades meet both 502 and the
505 specs. I have used Shell Rotella in 12v52 TI, Cummins (V12 Turbo 624HP) in
Marine use for years without problems, and I believe they are under a little
more stress that the VW TDI engines. I find it hard to believe that the VW
spec is that critical, unless you have a waranty issue, which I believe is
rare.

Good Luck,
Butch
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