Corolla FX-16 bumper question

"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcom> floridly penned in
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 >
 > Most bumpers have 3 parts: a metal frame, a foam layer on top of
 > that, and then an outer skin, which I think is what you're referring
 > to when you say "outer coating".
 >
 > If the foam from the old bumper is not totally destroyed, you can
 > re-use it, even if it is a little smashed in because it will be hidden
 > behind the outer skin.



Just to add to Ray's post, that foam (EPS, same as "Styrofoam") is bonded
to the bumper skin, not the reinforcing bar. It disintegrates when hit, so
you may find chunks missing entirely.

EPP is a better foam, with greater cohesivness, but automakers won't use it
because of cost.



 >
 > If the outer skin is in good condition, that is, no creases or tears,
 > then it can probably be re-used.


Even if it has creases and tears, a body shop can often repair it if not
too badly damaged.



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"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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 >
 > "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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  >> Doods!
  >>
  >> I received the reinforcement for my smashed front bumper and turn lamp,
 > but
  >> all it had was the metal frame, not the rubber coating. The coating is in
  >> pretty good shape, but I wonder if I should try to hunt down the rubber
  >> coating as well? Can they use that same coating it has?
  >>
  >> Natalie, scratching her head
  >>
 >
 > Natalie,
 >
 > Most bumpers have 3 parts: a metal frame, a foam layer on top of that, and
 > then an outer skin, which I think is what you're referring to when you say
 > "outer coating".
 >
 > If the foam from the old bumper is not totally destroyed, you can re-use
 > it,
 > even if it is a little smashed in because it will be hidden behind the
 > outer
 > skin.
 >
 > If the outer skin is in good condition, that is, no creases or tears, then
 > it can probably be re-used.
 >
 > Depending on the model, the outer skin can be black or it can be painted.
 > If it is painted, an additive is mixed with the paint to make it flex.
 > When
 > you see painted bumpers with cracked paint, there was an additive problem
 > when the bumper was re-painted.
 >
 > Good luck!
 > --
 > Ray O

Thanks! I think the original bumper should be OK, or at the very least,
fairly easy on the eyes. I hope so, cuz I'm having no luck with finding that
damned thing!

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"Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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  > >
  > > "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
  > > news:32p40tF3ksplbU1@individual.net...
   > >> Doods!
   > >>
   > >> I received the reinforcement for my smashed front bumper and turn lamp,
  > > but
   > >> all it had was the metal frame, not the rubber coating. The coating is
in
   > >> pretty good shape, but I wonder if I should try to hunt down the rubber
   > >> coating as well? Can they use that same coating it has?
   > >>
   > >> Natalie, scratching her head
   > >>
  > >
  > > Natalie,
  > >
  > > Most bumpers have 3 parts: a metal frame, a foam layer on top of that,
and
  > > then an outer skin, which I think is what you're referring to when you
say
  > > "outer coating".
  > >
  > > If the foam from the old bumper is not totally destroyed, you can re-use
  > > it,
  > > even if it is a little smashed in because it will be hidden behind the
  > > outer
  > > skin.
  > >
  > > If the outer skin is in good condition, that is, no creases or tears,
then
  > > it can probably be re-used.
  > >
  > > Depending on the model, the outer skin can be black or it can be
painted.
  > > If it is painted, an additive is mixed with the paint to make it flex.
  > > When
  > > you see painted bumpers with cracked paint, there was an additive
problem
  > > when the bumper was re-painted.
  > >
  > > Good luck!
  > > --
  > > Ray O
 >
 > Thanks! I think the original bumper should be OK, or at the very least,
 > fairly easy on the eyes. I hope so, cuz I'm having no luck with finding
that
 > damned thing!
 >
 > Natalie
 >

Kind of like people, if the skin is relatively wrinkle-free, it's still
good!

Make sure that whoever installs the new bumper backing plate caulks all of
the seams where it is folded over and welded. It wouldn't hurt to give the
backing plate another coat of paint over the basic black primer in case you
move back to NH or some other part of the country where roads are salted.

By the way, IIRC, the Toyota's nomenclature is "cover, bumper".

Toyota makes good cars, but parts translation is a bit of a challenge,
especially when looking up part names.

For example, an ash tray is "receptacle, box"
The passenger assist grip in the original Tercel was "glip"
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"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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 >
 > "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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  >>
   >> >> Doods!
   >> >>
   >> >> I received the reinforcement for my smashed front bumper and turn lamp,
   >> > but
   >> >> all it had was the metal frame, not the rubber coating. The coating is
 > in
   >> >> pretty good shape, but I wonder if I should try to hunt down the rubber
   >> >> coating as well? Can they use that same coating it has?
   >> >>
   >> >> Natalie, scratching her head
   >> >>
   >> >
   >> > Natalie,
   >> >
   >> > Most bumpers have 3 parts: a metal frame, a foam layer on top of that,
 > and
   >> > then an outer skin, which I think is what you're referring to when you
 > say
   >> > "outer coating".
   >> >
   >> > If the foam from the old bumper is not totally destroyed, you can re-use
   >> > it,
   >> > even if it is a little smashed in because it will be hidden behind the
   >> > outer
   >> > skin.
   >> >
   >> > If the outer skin is in good condition, that is, no creases or tears,
 > then
   >> > it can probably be re-used.
   >> >
   >> > Depending on the model, the outer skin can be black or it can be
 > painted.
   >> > If it is painted, an additive is mixed with the paint to make it flex.
   >> > When
   >> > you see painted bumpers with cracked paint, there was an additive
 > problem
   >> > when the bumper was re-painted.
   >> >
   >> > Good luck!
   >> > --
   >> > Ray O
  >>
  >> Thanks! I think the original bumper should be OK, or at the very least,
  >> fairly easy on the eyes. I hope so, cuz I'm having no luck with finding
 > that
  >> damned thing!
  >>
  >> Natalie
  >>
 >
 > Kind of like people, if the skin is relatively wrinkle-free, it's still
 > good!

Oh, really? LOL
 >
 > Make sure that whoever installs the new bumper backing plate caulks all of
 > the seams where it is folded over and welded. It wouldn't hurt to give the
 > backing plate another coat of paint over the basic black primer in case you
 > move back to NH or some other part of the country where roads are salted.

I'll print this out and give it to him
 >
 > By the way, IIRC, the Toyota's nomenclature is "cover, bumper".

Figures... just make it tougher
 >
 > Toyota makes good cars, but parts translation is a bit of a challenge,
 > especially when looking up part names.
 >
 > For example, an ash tray is "receptacle, box"
 > The passenger assist grip in the original Tercel was "glip"
 > --
 > Ray O

Well, our car ash trays never get used (We don't allow smoking in our car or
our home), so I don't care what it's called. And my Echo has deep-sixed
Tercels anyway!

hehehe

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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:30:33 -0600, "Ray O"
<rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:

 >
 >"Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
 >news:32p79oF3pos1lU1@individual.net...
  >>
  >> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
  >> news:aeb00$41c761a2$44a4a10d$21885@msgid.meganewsservers.com...
   >> >
   >> > "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
   >> > news:32p40tF3ksplbU1@individual.net...
   >> >> Doods!
   >> >>
   >> >> I received the reinforcement for my smashed front bumper and turn lamp,
   >> > but
   >> >> all it had was the metal frame, not the rubber coating. The coating is
 >in
   >> >> pretty good shape, but I wonder if I should try to hunt down the rubber
   >> >> coating as well? Can they use that same coating it has?
   >> >>
   >> >> Natalie, scratching her head
   >> >>
   >> >
   >> > Natalie,
   >> >
   >> > Most bumpers have 3 parts: a metal frame, a foam layer on top of that,
 >and
   >> > then an outer skin, which I think is what you're referring to when you
 >say
   >> > "outer coating".
   >> >
   >> > If the foam from the old bumper is not totally destroyed, you can re-use
   >> > it,
   >> > even if it is a little smashed in because it will be hidden behind the
   >> > outer
   >> > skin.
   >> >
   >> > If the outer skin is in good condition, that is, no creases or tears,
 >then
   >> > it can probably be re-used.
   >> >
   >> > Depending on the model, the outer skin can be black or it can be
 >painted.
   >> > If it is painted, an additive is mixed with the paint to make it flex.
   >> > When
   >> > you see painted bumpers with cracked paint, there was an additive
 >problem
   >> > when the bumper was re-painted.
   >> >
   >> > Good luck!
   >> > --
   >> > Ray O
  >>
  >> Thanks! I think the original bumper should be OK, or at the very least,
  >> fairly easy on the eyes. I hope so, cuz I'm having no luck with finding
 >that
  >> damned thing!
  >>
  >> Natalie
  >>
 >
 >Kind of like people, if the skin is relatively wrinkle-free, it's still
 >good!
 >
 >Make sure that whoever installs the new bumper backing plate caulks all of
 >the seams where it is folded over and welded. It wouldn't hurt to give the
 >backing plate another coat of paint over the basic black primer in case you
 >move back to NH or some other part of the country where roads are salted.

& paint the mount points too. Use a wire brush first if you see any
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:52:37 -0500, "Wickeddoll®"
<wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:


 >Well, our car ash trays never get used (We don't allow smoking in our car or
 >our home), so I don't care what it's called.

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"Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore.RemoveThis@databasix.com> wrote in message
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 > On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:52:37 -0500, "Wickeddoll®"
 > <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
 >
 >
  >>Well, our car ash trays never get used (We don't allow smoking in our car
  >>or
  >>our home), so I don't care what it's called.
 >
 > They make excellent change holders for tolls and fast food joints.

Yeah - we've done that before

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"Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore.TakeThisOut@databasix.com> wrote in message
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 > On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:30:33 -0600, "Ray O"
 > <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
 >
  >>
  >>"Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
  >>news:32p79oF3pos1lU1@individual.net...
   >>>
   >>> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
   >>> >> Doods!
   >>> >>
   >>> >> I received the reinforcement for my smashed front bumper and turn
   >>> >> lamp,
   >>> > but
   >>> >> all it had was the metal frame, not the rubber coating. The coating
   >>> >> is
  >>in
   >>> >> pretty good shape, but I wonder if I should try to hunt down the
   >>> >> rubber
   >>> >> coating as well? Can they use that same coating it has?
   >>> >>
   >>> >> Natalie, scratching her head
   >>> >>
   >>> >
   >>> > Natalie,
   >>> >
   >>> > Most bumpers have 3 parts: a metal frame, a foam layer on top of that,
  >>and
   >>> > then an outer skin, which I think is what you're referring to when you
  >>say
   >>> > "outer coating".
   >>> >
   >>> > If the foam from the old bumper is not totally destroyed, you can
   >>> > re-use
   >>> > it,
   >>> > even if it is a little smashed in because it will be hidden behind the
   >>> > outer
   >>> > skin.
   >>> >
   >>> > If the outer skin is in good condition, that is, no creases or tears,
  >>then
   >>> > it can probably be re-used.
   >>> >
   >>> > Depending on the model, the outer skin can be black or it can be
  >>painted.
   >>> > If it is painted, an additive is mixed with the paint to make it flex.
   >>> > When
   >>> > you see painted bumpers with cracked paint, there was an additive
  >>problem
   >>> > when the bumper was re-painted.
   >>> >
   >>> > Good luck!
   >>> > --
   >>> > Ray O
   >>>
   >>> Thanks! I think the original bumper should be OK, or at the very least,
   >>> fairly easy on the eyes. I hope so, cuz I'm having no luck with finding
  >>that
   >>> damned thing!
   >>>
   >>> Natalie
   >>>
  >>
  >>Kind of like people, if the skin is relatively wrinkle-free, it's still
  >>good!
  >>
  >>Make sure that whoever installs the new bumper backing plate caulks all of
  >>the seams where it is folded over and welded. It wouldn't hurt to give the
  >>backing plate another coat of paint over the basic black primer in case you
  >>move back to NH or some other part of the country where roads are salted.
 >
 > & paint the mount points too. Use a wire brush first if you see any
 > rust.
 >
 >

Thanks!

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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:40:04 -0600, Ray O wrote:

 >
 > "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
 > news:32p40tF3ksplbU1@individual.net...
  >> Doods!
  >>
  >> I received the reinforcement for my smashed front bumper and turn lamp,
 > but
  >> all it had was the metal frame, not the rubber coating. The coating is in
  >> pretty good shape, but I wonder if I should try to hunt down the rubber
  >> coating as well? Can they use that same coating it has?
  >>
  >> Natalie, scratching her head
  >>
 >
 > Natalie,
 >
 > Most bumpers have 3 parts: a metal frame, a foam layer on top of that, and
 > then an outer skin, which I think is what you're referring to when you say
 > "outer coating".
 >
 > If the foam from the old bumper is not totally destroyed, you can re-use it,
 > even if it is a little smashed in because it will be hidden behind the outer
 > skin.
 >
 > If the outer skin is in good condition, that is, no creases or tears, then
 > it can probably be re-used.
 >
 > Depending on the model, the outer skin can be black or it can be painted.
 > If it is painted, an additive is mixed with the paint to make it flex. When
 > you see painted bumpers with cracked paint, there was an additive problem
 > when the bumper was re-painted.
 >
 > Good luck!


Here's a URL and a half for ya!

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://products3.3m.com/catalog/us/en001/auto_marine_aero/automotive_aftermarket/node_C4ZLWJKB9Gbe/root_GST1T4S9TCgv/vroot_GSLPLPKL4Xge/gvel_DDC4KLKK5Wgl/theme_us_aad_3_0/command_AbcPageHandler/output_html" target="_blank">http://products3.3m.com/catalog/us/en001/auto_marine_aero/automotive_a...rmarket</a>

Can be used to repair flexible plastic parts (like bumper covers) Starts
to set firm in 5 minutes, sandable in 15, can be flex-primed and painted
just like new!

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"HachiRoku" <Trueno.TakeThisOut@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
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 > On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:40:04 -0600, Ray O wrote:
 >
  >>
  >> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
  >> news:32p40tF3ksplbU1@individual.net...
   >>> Doods!
   >>>
   >>> I received the reinforcement for my smashed front bumper and turn lamp,
  >> but
   >>> all it had was the metal frame, not the rubber coating. The coating is
   >>> in
   >>> pretty good shape, but I wonder if I should try to hunt down the rubber
   >>> coating as well? Can they use that same coating it has?
   >>>
   >>> Natalie, scratching her head
   >>>
  >>
  >> Natalie,
  >>
  >> Most bumpers have 3 parts: a metal frame, a foam layer on top of that,
  >> and
  >> then an outer skin, which I think is what you're referring to when you say
  >> "outer coating".
  >>
  >> If the foam from the old bumper is not totally destroyed, you can re-use
  >> it,
  >> even if it is a little smashed in because it will be hidden behind the
  >> outer
  >> skin.
  >>
  >> If the outer skin is in good condition, that is, no creases or tears, then
  >> it can probably be re-used.
  >>
  >> Depending on the model, the outer skin can be black or it can be painted.
  >> If it is painted, an additive is mixed with the paint to make it flex.
  >> When
  >> you see painted bumpers with cracked paint, there was an additive problem
  >> when the bumper was re-painted.
  >>
  >> Good luck!
 >
 >
 > Here's a URL and a half for ya!
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://products3.3m.com/catalog/us/en001/auto_marine_aero/automotive_aftermarket/node_C4ZLWJKB9Gbe/root_GST1T4S9TCgv/vroot_GSLPLPKL4Xge/gvel_DDC4KLKK5Wgl/theme_us_aad_3_0/command_AbcPageHandler/output_html</font" target="_blank">http://products3.3m.com/catalog/us/en001/auto_marine_aero/automotive_a...rmarket</a>>
 >
 > Can be used to repair flexible plastic parts (like bumper covers) Starts
 > to set firm in 5 minutes, sandable in 15, can be flex-primed and painted
 > just like new!
 >
 > Costs about $12 for 6 oz.

SWEET!

Thanks!

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Hmmm, can't find the part there?

Hell if you were keen to pay the horrendous shipping I could get you more
AE82 FXGT bumpers than you could shake a stick at (really - most boyracers
buy the wee AE82s and throw wild bodykits on them).


Nick.
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:32:17 -0500, "Wickeddoll®"
<wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
 >"Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore DeleteThis @databasix.com> wrote in message
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  >> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:52:37 -0500, "Wickeddoll®"
  >> <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

   >>>Well, our car ash trays never get used (We don't allow smoking in our car
   >>>or our home), so I don't care what it's called.
  >>
  >> They make excellent change holders for tolls and fast food joints.
 >
 >Yeah - we've done that before

Just make sure you empty them out before using valet parking or
going to a full-service car wash. They get conveniently cleaned out
(of any loose change) for you by the friendly and courteous workers.

Of course if you want some real fun, put a few marked quarters and
dollar bills in there, if you can find some use UV Ink so it isn't
obvious. And when you find that nice clean (and empty) ashtray have
the Car Wash Manager check all the workers' pockets before you leave.
Guaranteed excitement for everyone. ;-P

Wanna borrow my portable blacklight?

(Note: I haven't done this, but BOY I've been tempted to sting 'em
a few times. And I do have the blacklight: Take a regular camper's
battery fluorescent that takes a F4T5 lamp and 4 AA batteries, and put
in a F4T5/BLB lamp.)

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"Bruce L. Bergman" <blPYTHONbergman RemoveThis @earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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 > On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:32:17 -0500, "Wickeddoll®"
 > <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
  >>"Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore RemoveThis @databasix.com> wrote in message
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 >
   >>>>Well, our car ash trays never get used (We don't allow smoking in our car
   >>>>or our home), so I don't care what it's called.
   >>>
   >>> They make excellent change holders for tolls and fast food joints.
  >>
  >>Yeah - we've done that before
 >
 > Just make sure you empty them out before using valet parking or
 > going to a full-service car wash. They get conveniently cleaned out
 > (of any loose change) for you by the friendly and courteous workers.

Unless they get valet parking at Olive Garden, I think we're safe...
 >
 > Of course if you want some real fun, put a few marked quarters and
 > dollar bills in there, if you can find some use UV Ink so it isn't
 > obvious. And when you find that nice clean (and empty) ashtray have
 > the Car Wash Manager check all the workers' pockets before you leave.
 > Guaranteed excitement for everyone. ;-P
 >

You're mean

 > Wanna borrow my portable blacklight?

Nah, I still have my own from the 70s
 >
 > (Note: I haven't done this, but BOY I've been tempted to sting 'em
 > a few times. And I do have the blacklight: Take a regular camper's
 > battery fluorescent that takes a F4T5 lamp and 4 AA batteries, and put
 > in a F4T5/BLB lamp.)
 >
 > --<< Bruce >>--

You need to get out more...

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