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(Msg. 16) Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:25 pm
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In article <6poo6sF97broU1 RemoveThis @mid.individual.net>,
Mike G <metier RemoveThis @largefoot.com> wrote:
> > Indeed. Recon box time I'm afraid. And could cost just about
> > what the
> > car's worth in the present climate. Secondhand might be the way
> > to go.
> Know any good reconditioners? Maybe to repair his existing one?
It's not usually worth doing a repair due to the high labour costs in
removing and stripping - the cost of the parts for a full overhaul is a
modest proportion of this. And I doubt you'd find a repairer who would
guarantee the work without doing a full overhaul.
> At least then there would be some sort of guarantee.
My preference is to use a specialist who do the work themselves rather
than those who are just fitters of other's work. And that would usually
mean overhauling your own box.
The only one I know of personally is in this area of SW London - close to
The Oval.
Total Transmission Services Ltd
Glouster House
17 Crammer Road
London
SW9 6EJ
020 7735 6566/6676
> Trouble with a s/h box is that you're taking a gamble on it being
> a good one, and taking into account the labour cost of fitting,
> it could be an expensive option compared to a recon one if it
> goes wrong after a few months.
> I would find the choice a difficult one to make.
It really depends. A secondhand one out of a low mileage wreck could have
lots of life left. But it's a personal decision to be made by the owner.
> He paid £6,250 for it about 6 months ago. HFM I hear you say. 
Wonder if it was on its way out then...
> Must say though that well equipped E46 330i's, like his are still
> fetching around 4k.
OK. I'd guess at about 1500 quid to have a decent job done.
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:25 pm
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In article <C55CC0B4.2671%alanb@sonic.net>,
Alan B. Mac Farlane <alanb DeleteThis @sonic.net> wrote:
> > Secondhand might be the way to go.
> nawwww ... get it done right if you want to put the time and mileage in.
> You can get a box out of the Dismantelers Yard if you like.
> Swap it out ... and then drive the Beamer for what ... another 20k or so
> until you have to do it again.
Depends on why the vehicle was scrapped. Low mileage cars get written off
too.
> Or get it done right ... if the car is worth it ... and get the 90k out
> of it.
> Penny wise and dollar foolish is the connundrum here.
That's fine if you are awash with money - but spending 50% of a car's
value on a repair could be said to be penny wise pound foolish too - as
you won't get it back at resale.
> Some stores will take the trade in and give you an upgrade on a less
> used Beamer for the money involved ... and you give them the problem to
> sort out ... which they will better then you can.
That might well be a better way.
> sumbuddie hopes this helps
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:25 pm
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Mike G wrote:
>2000 reg BMW E46 330i 90k miles.
>Problem selecting reverse gear. Sometimes it does sometimes it
>doesn't.
>All forward gears work as normal.
>
>Belongs to a friend. He tells me that he has to re-select reverse
>maybe once or twice before it engages. When it does, it works
>normally. When it doesn't, it like it's in neutral. The engine
>revs. Car stays put.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:25 am
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In article <ju5hj41i5tp2ql6p6d6kfd1p596d4ksjcd.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
dizzy <dizzy.RemoveThis@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Mike G wrote:
> >2000 reg BMW E46 330i 90k miles.
> >Problem selecting reverse gear. Sometimes it does sometimes it
> >doesn't.
> >All forward gears work as normal.
> >
> >Belongs to a friend. He tells me that he has to re-select reverse
> >maybe once or twice before it engages. When it does, it works
> >normally. When it doesn't, it like it's in neutral. The engine
> >revs. Car stays put.
> And it's definately a "Steptronic", not just an "automatic"?
Would that make any difference to the described fault?
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:25 am
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On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:09:07 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
<dave.DeleteThis@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <ju5hj41i5tp2ql6p6d6kfd1p596d4ksjcd.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
> dizzy <dizzy.DeleteThis@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Mike G wrote:
>
>> >2000 reg BMW E46 330i 90k miles.
>> >Problem selecting reverse gear. Sometimes it does sometimes it
>> >doesn't.
>> >All forward gears work as normal.
>> >
>> >Belongs to a friend. He tells me that he has to re-select reverse
>> >maybe once or twice before it engages. When it does, it works
>> >normally. When it doesn't, it like it's in neutral. The engine
>> >revs. Car stays put.
>
>> And it's definately a "Steptronic", not just an "automatic"?
Probably about £500 to a cowboy operator.
>
>Would that make any difference to the described fault?
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:32 am
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>In article <ju5hj41i5tp2ql6p6d6kfd1p596d4ksjcd DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
> dizzy <dizzy DeleteThis @nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Mike G wrote:
>
>> >2000 reg BMW E46 330i 90k miles.
>> >Problem selecting reverse gear. Sometimes it does sometimes it
>> >doesn't.
>> >All forward gears work as normal.
>> >
>> >Belongs to a friend. He tells me that he has to re-select reverse
>> >maybe once or twice before it engages. When it does, it works
>> >normally. When it doesn't, it like it's in neutral. The engine
>> >revs. Car stays put.
>
>> And it's definately a "Steptronic", not just an "automatic"?
>
>Would that make any difference to the described fault?
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:25 am
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In article <phlkj41lkc1j1pqvajig5mgdkmk2o3obmo RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
dizzy <dizzy RemoveThis @nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >> And it's definately a "Steptronic", not just an "automatic"?
> >
> >Would that make any difference to the described fault?
> Yes. It could mean GM or ZF.
Not in the UK.
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:25 am
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>In article <phlkj41lkc1j1pqvajig5mgdkmk2o3obmo.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
> dizzy <dizzy.DeleteThis@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> >> And it's definately a "Steptronic", not just an "automatic"?
>> >
>> >Would that make any difference to the described fault?
>
>> Yes. It could mean GM or ZF.
>
>Not in the UK.
You know for sure that the introduction of "Steptronic", with the push
up-or-down to shift, did not coincide with the switch from GM to ZF?
Or are you saying that you never got GM in the UK?
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:25 am
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sIn article <60dnj45rm15bq2q27lgd7m66bu4kdl11dj.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
dizzy <dizzy.TakeThisOut@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >> >Would that make any difference to the described fault?
> >
> >> Yes. It could mean GM or ZF.
> >
> >Not in the UK.
> You know for sure that the introduction of "Steptronic", with the push
> up-or-down to shift, did not coincide with the switch from GM to ZF?
I dunno. But I understood on an E39 there were Steptronics with the GM box.
But don't know dates - and if it was fitted to the E46.
> Or are you saying that you never got GM in the UK?
Correct. We had the 5 speed ZF from about '92. Steptronic option with the
introduction of the E39. Gawd knows what made BMW fit the GM four speeder
in the US since the 5 speed was so much better.
> What are you saying?
HTH. The OP is in the UK and says so.
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:25 am
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"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave.TakeThisOut@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
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> sIn article <60dnj45rm15bq2q27lgd7m66bu4kdl11dj.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
> dizzy <dizzy.TakeThisOut@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >Would that make any difference to the described fault?
>> >
>> >> Yes. It could mean GM or ZF.
>> >
>> >Not in the UK.
>
>> You know for sure that the introduction of "Steptronic", with the push
>> up-or-down to shift, did not coincide with the switch from GM to ZF?
>
> I dunno. But I understood on an E39 there were Steptronics with the GM
> box.
> But don't know dates - and if it was fitted to the E46.
>
>> Or are you saying that you never got GM in the UK?
>
> Correct. We had the 5 speed ZF from about '92. Steptronic option with the
> introduction of the E39. Gawd knows what made BMW fit the GM four speeder
> in the US since the 5 speed was so much better.
My first two BMW's had five speed manual boxes, but these became very hard
to get on 7 series after the E32 came in.
The next had a four speed auto - pretty sure this was NOT GM.
The next had the five speed switchable box above - nice, but not as nice as
the manual or
The latest has five speed Steptronic, which is super. I occaisionally use
the sport option, but very rarely use the manual option.
I am looking forward to the six speed Steptronic in my next one. There are
six speed manuals (two sorts IIRC) in the the 6 series, but the Steptronic
probably does better than an average driver like me and certainly gives
better economy, so I now wouldn't go back even if they were available in the
7 series.
>
>> What are you saying?
>
> HTH. The OP is in the UK and says so.
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:25 am
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In article <6Pidnbzmx7i3UabUnZ2dnUVZ8hydnZ2d RemoveThis @bt.com>,
R. Mark Clayton <nospamclayton RemoveThis @btinternet.com> wrote:
> > Correct. We had the 5 speed ZF from about '92. Steptronic option with
> > the introduction of the E39. Gawd knows what made BMW fit the GM four
> > speeder in the US since the 5 speed was so much better.
> My first two BMW's had five speed manual boxes, but these became very
> hard to get on 7 series after the E32 came in.
> The next had a four speed auto - pretty sure this was NOT GM.
BMW didn't fit the GM box in the UK at that time. I've never really had it
explained why they took this retrograde step in the US - it's a long time
since GM were the definitive auto. Probably 40 years.  They were late
in deciding to using electronics even when it was obvious this would be
the way forward.
> The next had the five speed switchable box above - nice, but not as nice
> as the manual or
> The latest has five speed Steptronic, which is super. I occaisionally
> use the sport option, but very rarely use the manual option.
The Steptronic is merely a different user interface. If you don't use the
manual option there shouldn't be any real difference. But I do like the
more simple selector it gives for normal use. What I don't like is the way
it overrides in manual mode - my earlier 5HP locked in the selected gear
regardless of speed or revs in manual mode. The Steptronic is a sort of
nanny manual.
> I am looking forward to the six speed Steptronic in my next one. There
> are six speed manuals (two sorts IIRC) in the the 6 series, but the
> Steptronic probably does better than an average driver like me and
> certainly gives better economy, so I now wouldn't go back even if they
> were available in the 7 series.
Modern autos can really be quite superb. Locking out the TC whenever
possible improves efficiency. The race between DSG and conventional autos
is not over...
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:25 am
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> dizzy <dizzy.DeleteThis@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Or are you saying that you never got GM in the UK?
>
>Correct. We had the 5 speed ZF from about '92. Steptronic option with the
>introduction of the E39. Gawd knows what made BMW fit the GM four speeder
>in the US since the 5 speed was so much better.
My 2000 323i has a 5-speed GM. It's nice, for an auto. I've always
been a "manual guy", and my "other car" is still a manual, but I don't
hate the GM slushie at all. 
>> What are you saying?
>
>HTH. The OP is in the UK and says so.
It does help. It's more evidence that this "reverse" issue is with
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:25 am
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> Yes - GM eventually caught up with the number of ratios. Which
> doesn't
> explain why in the '90s BMW fitted 4 speed GMs in the US but 5
> speed ZF
> in the UK, etc.
>
GM = USA parent company, ZF = German parent company, or am I being far
to cynical of US protectionism, it wouldn't have been the only market
where 'local' (to the export destination) components have been used
for export models...
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:25 am
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In article <ghgn9e$kb0$1@news.motzarella.org>,
Jerry <mapson.scarts.TakeThisOut@btinternet.com.INVALID> wrote:
> > Yes - GM eventually caught up with the number of ratios. Which
> > doesn't
> > explain why in the '90s BMW fitted 4 speed GMs in the US but 5
> > speed ZF
> > in the UK, etc.
> >
> GM = USA parent company, ZF = German parent company, or am I being far
> to cynical of US protectionism, it wouldn't have been the only market
> where 'local' (to the export destination) components have been used
> for export models...
I did wonder if this were the reason - they certainly fit locally sourced
batteries. But it's fairly unusual to carry this on to major components
which would be factory fitted?
ZF did have problems with one of their boxes in the US round about '90 -
something to do with revving the engine in neutral for longish periods for
emission testing - and perhaps BMW wanted to avoid any connection with
that?
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:48 am
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On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:07:35 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
<dave.DeleteThis@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>I did wonder if this were the reason - they certainly fit locally sourced
>batteries. But it's fairly unusual to carry this on to major components
>which would be factory fitted?
>
>ZF did have problems with one of their boxes in the US round about '90 -
>something to do with revving the engine in neutral for longish periods for
>emission testing - and perhaps BMW wanted to avoid any connection with
>that?
At certain times in the past, (maybe even now?) cars imported into the
US were subject to tariffs and quotas, which varied according to how
much "domestic" content they had in their build. Perhaps that was the
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