Yikes! Diesel $4.50/gallon

Tom Plunket schrieb:
> PerfectReign wrote:
>
>>> Last fill, I put 2 gallons of petrodiesel in to fill the tank, but
>>> that's the first time I've been to the filling station in months.
>> I see many posts - both here and on places like benzworld - where they
>> completely deride single-tank systems for using 100% WVO and the cold
>> climates.
>
> Yeah, I don't know that it'd work very well unless you kept your car
> garaged, never parked it outdoors for long, and maybe even had a block
> heater. Or blend it with petrodiesel, but still- my experience starting
> my car in the (barely) freezing weather is that it is Not Easy. If I
> lived in VT, I'd definitely go not only dual-tank but also route coolant
> through my veggie oil.
>
> Down in SoCal, though, dual-tank is a waste of energy.
>
>> So you filter your own? Do you collect as well? I'm thinking it would
>> be easier - and more convenient - for me to have it delivered already
>> filtered in 50 gallon containers. I see rates in the middle $2/gallon
>> around here.
>
> Yeah, that sounds like a ticket. $2/gallon seems steep for something
> that's already been sold once, but if they're bringing it to your house
> I could see it being worth it. Plus you wouldn't need to worry about
> running out (I'm always right on the edge; the two 50-gallon drums in my
> shed have less than five gallons a piece in them, although I've got
> about 20G to pour tomorrow and another 50 or so for the coming weeks).
> So I also have a garage full of vegetable oil jugs yet-to-be-filtered,
> and it kinda stinks.

So finally we are back in the fourties now when on cold days one had to
put a hot water bag around the carburetor to stop icing. In those times
many prefered wood gas generator engines here in Europe.

http://www.gengas.biz/english/gengas.html

I like the idea of a 560 SEC with that kind of generator

http://www.license-plates.ch/images/holzgas.jpg

must be around 1964 with that Ford Taunus 17m


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Tom Plunket turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:

> PerfectReign wrote:
>
>> > Last fill, I put 2 gallons of petrodiesel in to fill the tank, but
>> > that's the first time I've been to the filling station in months.
>>
>> I see many posts - both here and on places like benzworld - where they
>> completely deride single-tank systems for using 100% WVO and the cold
>> climates.
>
> Yeah, I don't know that it'd work very well unless you kept your car
> garaged, never parked it outdoors for long, and maybe even had a block
> heater. Or blend it with petrodiesel, but still- my experience starting
> my car in the (barely) freezing weather is that it is Not Easy. If I
> lived in VT, I'd definitely go not only dual-tank but also route coolant
> through my veggie oil.
>
> Down in SoCal, though, dual-tank is a waste of energy.
>

That's what I was wondering. Being in So Cal, where we barely get below 40
in the winter, and having a garage, I can't imagine what the benefit is.


>> So you filter your own? Do you collect as well? I'm thinking it would
>> be easier - and more convenient - for me to have it delivered already
>> filtered in 50 gallon containers. I see rates in the middle $2/gallon
>> around here.
>
> Yeah, that sounds like a ticket. $2/gallon seems steep for something
> that's already been sold once, but if they're bringing it to your house
> I could see it being worth it.

It is one of the businesses springing up. AFAIK, there are less restaurants
wanting to supply people with WVO.

> Plus you wouldn't need to worry about
> running out (I'm always right on the edge; the two 50-gallon drums in my
> shed have less than five gallons a piece in them, although I've got
> about 20G to pour tomorrow and another 50 or so for the coming weeks).
> So I also have a garage full of vegetable oil jugs yet-to-be-filtered,
> and it kinda stinks.

That's what I want to avoid. If I can pay $2/gal for someone filtering and
collecting, then I'll be happy.


>
>
> -tom!
>
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JD wrote:

> Now you've pushed one of my buttons. We have a taxpayer subsidized ethanol
> plant in Washington state that does absolutely nothing to mitigate the high
> price of fuel here because every drop produced is sold in Asia. This is
> just socialism at a corporate level at consumer expense.

Socialism implies that it helps the people, whereas this is just giving
additional profits to the corporations. Yay America, the land where
people confuse socialism with corporatism.

-tom!

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I am old enough to remember gasoline at $0.18, yes, eighteen cents a
gallon, when I was going to college in Kalamazoo, MI in the early
1970s. A few years later we heard rumors that gas was going to be
$1.00 a gallon, and we couldn't believe it! It sounded like the end
of the world!

But when the Arab oil embargo happened and there were lines for gas it
became evident that there were limits to the amount of oil in the
ground.

I never forgot that, and so for the last 35 years or so, as I have
seen the enormous urban sprawl spreading out with no intelligent urban
planning in ugly big box seas of asphalt it has made me sad to see our
national treasure and the construction of my lifetime being wasted on
a mess that was utterly dependent upon the automobile, because it has
been apparent to anyone who paid attention that oil supplies were
finite and when they ran down to the point of making gasoline and
diesel too expensive for the average guy to afford unlimited amounts
of them a large portion of the structure of our country would become
obsolete and would end up having to be largely abandoned.

So when I have seen all these big box monsters of ignorance under
construction farther and farther out into the desert I have always
seen them as the next set of ghost towns that are destined to stand
crumbling as monuments to short sightedness and idiocy. I hope I am
wrong, but it sure is starting to look that way.

Electrically powered mass transit is going to have to replace the car
at some point and retail and housing will have to be redesigned with
walking in mind. If we get serious in changing the mind set from the
one that we were given by GM and Big Oil after WW II when GM bought
many of the streetcar systems around the country and junked them and
focus on mass transit and renewable production of electricity and
livable high density urban design we can have a much more pleasant
setting in which to live.

Not only is this car centered model doomed because of Peak Oil, it has
also turned out to be pretty much a drag. Driving the freeways of LA
in my opinion is a horrible experience and I wouldn't miss it if I
never have to again. Nobody talks about it, but 40,000+ people die on
the roads annually in the U.S. and half a million are maimed. It's
kind of a lonely society too. You can't mingle with the other
passengers on the freeway like you can on the TGV fast trains in
France.

I only bought one new car in my life, a 1985 Toyota Corolla, which I
still drive. I like to say to myself that I am voting no with my non
dollars to the untenable societal model of the car centered society.

Strange posts these are for a car listserve . . .

I still love my Mercedes and two Toyotas, of course, and I enjoy
working on them.
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On May 5, 9:51 am, heav <p....TakeThisOut@inyopro.com> wrote:
> I am old enough to remember gasoline at $0.18, yes, eighteen cents a
> gallon, when I was going to college in Kalamazoo, MI in the early
> 1970s.  

I suggest you check your memories, because what you remember once
again ain't so. You'd have to go back many decades before the 70's
to have gasoline at 18 cents.



A few years later we heard rumors that gas was going to be
> $1.00 a gallon, and we couldn't believe it!  It sounded like the end
> of the world!
>
> But when the Arab oil embargo happened and there were lines for gas it
> became evident that there were limits to the amount of oil in the
> ground.
>
> I never forgot that, and so for the last 35 years or so, as I have
> seen the enormous urban sprawl spreading out with no intelligent urban
> planning in ugly big box seas of asphalt it has made me sad to see our
> national treasure and the construction of my lifetime being wasted on
> a mess that was utterly dependent upon the automobile, because it has
> been apparent to anyone who paid attention that oil supplies were
> finite and when they ran down to the point of making gasoline and
> diesel too expensive for the average guy to afford unlimited amounts
> of them a large portion of the structure of our country would become
> obsolete and would end up having to be largely abandoned.
>
> So when I have seen all these big box monsters of ignorance under
> construction farther and farther out into the desert I have always
> seen them as the next set of ghost towns that are destined to stand
> crumbling as monuments to short sightedness and idiocy.  I hope I am
> wrong, but it sure is starting to look that way.

You sure have a very negative way at looking at things. I'm sure a
small minority of guys that pondered the fate of things like the
cave, sailing ships, horse and buggy, steam engine etc had similar
dire thoughts.


>
> Electrically powered mass transit is going to have to replace the car
> at some point and retail and housing will have to be redesigned with
> walking in mind.  If we get serious in changing the mind set from the
> one that we were given by GM and Big Oil after WW II when GM bought
> many of the streetcar systems around the country and junked them and
> focus on mass transit and renewable production of electricity and
> livable high density urban design we can have a much more pleasant
> setting in which to live.

More pleasant according to you. As for me, just leave the rest of us
free to choose, instead of having some govt bureaucrats decide what's
right for us.


>
> Not only is this car centered model doomed because of Peak Oil, it has
> also turned out to be pretty much a drag.  Driving the freeways of LA
> in my opinion is a horrible experience and I wouldn't miss it if I
> never have to again.  Nobody talks about it, but 40,000+ people die on
> the roads annually in the U.S. and half a million are maimed.  It's
> kind of a lonely society too.  You can't mingle with the other
> passengers on the freeway like you can on the TGV fast trains in
> France.

Been there done that. It's not like some utopian social engagement
party. People get on these trains, read their newspapers, or stare
out the window, just like they do on trains or buses here.


>
> I only bought one new car in my life, a 1985 Toyota Corolla, which I
> still drive.  I like to say to myself that I am voting no with my non
> dollars to the untenable societal model of the car centered society.

That's cool if it makes you feel good.



>
> Strange posts these are for a car listserve . . .
>
> I still love my Mercedes and two Toyotas, of course, and I enjoy
> working on them.
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"Klark Kent" <stewart DeleteThis @copeland.com`> wrote in message
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> In message news:effa967b-338f-4ae7-afbd-
> 6324f3daa9c3 DeleteThis @m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com, heav <paul DeleteThis @inyopro.com> burned
> some brain cells writing:
>
>> So when I have seen all these big box monsters of ignorance under
>> construction farther and farther out into the desert I have always
>> seen them as the next set of ghost towns that are destined to stand
>> crumbling as monuments to short sightedness and idiocy.
>
> Who let the winner of the Bad Hemingway contest into the room?
>
> "Stand crumbling" - nice touch. Ugggh.

I can tell you long to run with the bulls and fight the mighty marlin and to
make love to a woman with a mustache.
Your comment brought a tear to my myopic and sometimes watery and bloodshot
hazel eye. It is with great abandon and the pain of one who knows well the
Great White Marlin that I refer you to the one of the best bad Hemmingway
sites. In bad Hemmingway, there are no winners, only the dark and terrible
waters of the Marlin and bullfights.

http://badhemingway.com/chapter03.html
The bottle of Tortuga slid across the tilting table and came to rest in a
large calloused hand. It was a worn and bitter hand, and it belonged to a
worn and bitter man who had not treated it well. There were scrapes along
the palm from many miles of rope and scars on the knuckles from many dozens
of broken noses. There was a poorly stitched cut running from the thumb to
halfway up the massive forearm, a cut made by the teeth of a barracuda.
Despite its state, the hand served this man well. He had fought many storms
and many enemies, and had won every time. While others were swept off the
deck he stood his ground, laughing at the winds and waving the sabre he had
taken from a dead carrabinero.
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There really were times when there was a "gas war," which meant that
the various local stations were competing on price, that the price of
regular would sometimes get into the "teens" and you could drive
around in Kalamazoo, MI, USA, where I was living at the time, and find
gas for 18.9 cents a gallon. A more usual price would have been 23.9
cents per gallon.

I had a Suzuki 50 that got 200 miles or something outrageous like that
to the gallon, so travel was pretty cheap around campus.
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It is quite amusing. I have a look at this forum after quite some time and
what do I find?

A North American moan about high fuel prices....

Just as well that I don't need to do a high mileage in my car (< 5000 miles
p.a.) but I do feel the pinch via (still untaxed) kerosene used in products
manufactured by Boeing and Airbus Industrie.


DAS
(London England, not Ontario)

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>>I don't care to hear any moaning about fuel prices from you UK people
>
>
> Rant as much as you like, you're the one moaning. I posted the prices
> (without adding any comments) purely to inform people. No moaning.
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AND the amount of land for food agriculture is down.

Food protectionism is rising. Kill 'biofuels'...

DAS

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> Klark Kent wrote:
>> In message news:fuv48a$9ja$1@registered.motzarella.org, Kurt Steinhauser
>> <Sorry.DeleteThis@nogots.INVALID> burned some brain cells writing:
>>
>>> Well, out here in the land of soybeans and corn (Midwest) diesel is
>>> going for $4.25/gal.
>>
>> B..b..b..but ... ETHANOL is supposed to Save The World (TM).
>
> Now you've pushed one of my buttons. We have a taxpayer subsidized ethanol
> plant in Washington state that does absolutely nothing to mitigate the
> high price of fuel here because every drop produced is sold in Asia. This
> is just socialism at a corporate level at consumer expense.
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It's the American dream. A big house on a big plot of land. Bit difficult
in middle of Manhattan unless you're a zillionnaire.

One of my relatives has a nice house in a large plot in what was the exurbs
of Tucson, now not quote so remote. You almost need a taxi to get to the
road, on which a bus never passes.

DAS

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> I never forgot that, and so for the last 35 years or so, as I have
> seen the enormous urban sprawl spreading out with no intelligent urban
> planning in ugly big box seas of asphalt it has made me sad to see our
> national treasure and the construction of my lifetime being wasted on
> a mess that was utterly dependent upon the automobile, because it has
[...]
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On May 6, 9:28 am, heav <p....DeleteThis@inyopro.com> wrote:
> There really were times when there was a "gas war," which meant that
> the various local stations were competing on price, that the price of
> regular would sometimes get into the "teens" and you could drive
> around in Kalamazoo, MI, USA, where I was living at the time, and find
> gas for 18.9 cents a gallon.  A more usual price would have been 23.9
> cents per gallon.

Sorry, but your memory is faulty. According to the DOE, the average
pump price for gasoline in 1970 was 36 cents and that was the low
point for the 70's. It was the highest in the 70's in 1979 at 86
cents. To get an average price of 22 cents, you'd have to go back to
1947 and for 18 cents all the way to 1940.

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/facts/2005/fcvt_fotw364.html




>
> I had a Suzuki 50 that got 200 miles or something outrageous like that
> to the gallon, so travel was pretty cheap around campus.
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On May 5, 8:42 pm, sch... DeleteThis @sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Guenter Scholz) wrote:
> Interesting, this is why people from the US are such an enigma.  By and large
> many don't appear to be capable of putting two and two together and deduce
> the obvious.  See, for example, the US's (ie the present administrations)
> claim re Iraq and the nigh on unamious acceptance of their claim by the
> people .... regardless what other countries, the UN etc had to say.  Then
> Tom comes along and has his finger on the pulse ..... there is hope
>
> cheers, guenter
>

First, there is no question at all that Iraq at one point did in fact
have WMDs and that they had actually used them on numerous occasions.
Just prior to the Iraq war, not only did US intelligence believe they
still had WMDs and were continuing to try to reconstitute more WMD
programs, but so did British, Russian and Israeli intelligence.

Now, let's look at this in a balanced perspective. Has intelligence
ever been anywhere near 100%? It's virtually impossible for a foreign
govt to know for sure exactly what is going on when a country engages
in projects they are trying to keep secret. Was it even up to the
rest of the world to have to figure out what was going on in Iraq?
The answer is no. Iraq had invaded Kuwait and part of the cease fire
agreement that ended that agression that was internationally condemned
was a provision that provided Iraq must account for all their WMDs,
end their programs, come clean with the world. They were required to
allow full and open inspections by the UN weapons inspectors.

For years they played cat and mouse games with the inspectors, kicking
them out of the country, denying them access to key facilities,
refusing to produce witnesses, etc. On the eve of the Iraq war, in
his final report, UN weapons inspector Hans Blix clearly stated that
the Iraqis were still not fully cooperating with the UN weapons
inspectors and consequently there was much that could not be
documented as to the status of WMDs. It was not the job of any
intelligence service to guess what was going on. What was required
was for Iraq to fully disclose and cooperate so the UN could ascertain
for sure. And keep in mind that this was with 300,000 international
troops massed on Iraqs borders ready to invade if full cooperation was
not forthcoming. Had Iraq not been invaded, Saddam would have simply
continued to play his games and the troops that were staged and ready
could not stay there indefinitely.

The same crowd that is bitching about Iraq and no WMDs would instead
be demanding Bush's resignation had he done nothing and then it turned
out Iraq did produce WMDs that were later used. The line of argument
would be that Iraq was not complying with the UN resolutions, not
allowing full inspections, that US, British, Russian, Israeli
intelligence all said they were in various stages of continuing to try
to make WMDs, so how could Bush be so stupid? It's easy being a
Monday morning quarterback.
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