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Klark Kent

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 2:11 pm
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:05 pm
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jdoe wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 10:33:09 +0100, Bruce <no DeleteThis @nospam.net> wrote:
>
>
>> In the UK, we pay GBP 1.18 per litre, which is approximately:
>>
>> (wait for it!)
>>
>> US $8.82 per US gallon ...
>>
>> Unleaded gasoline costs about 8% to 10% less.
> I don't care to hear any moaning about fuel prices from you UK people,
> as long as your government uses fuel taxes to fund their socialist
> polices you will pay exorbitant amounts for fuel, crude oil prices are
> the same around the world, the differences in prices is the taxes
> governments impose.

Hi jdoe,

You know that nobody in Europe is ever bankrupted
by medical expenses,
unlike the US where hundreds of thousands do each
year.

Let me know when you run into medical problems and
bankruptcy so that I can have a good laugh.

If your ilk had their way there would be no
schools, no libraries, no trains, no buses etc.
Do us all a favor, crawl down into a hole
somewhere and die.

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:15 pm
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"trader4@optonline.net" <trader4.RemoveThis@optonline.net> wrote:
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>Last time I checked, the top 5% of income earners are paying around
>50% of the total federal income taxes paid. So, the rich are paying
>a huge amount of taxes, just not enough for socialists like you, who
>would like to confiscate all wealth and turn it over to the govt so
>they can decide how to piss it away. The ash heap of history is
>filled with countries where they've tried that with disasterous
>results.


Europe, with high taxes, thrives, with ever-increasing prosperity. The
Euro is the most stable of the world's significant currencies.

Meanwhile, the USA, with low taxes, is on its knees, and the dollar is
in freefall.

Seems like the USA is on the ash heap!
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:05 am
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PerfectReign wrote:

> > At this point it may be worth swinging down to Costco to see how much
> > the soybean oil is. When I was buying it new it was running around $15
> > for a 35lb jug, and Google tells me that soybean oil runs around 7.5#
> > per gallon which led me to compute them as 4.5-4.7 gallons.
>
> Tom - what system do you have and what car?

The Lovecraft one. I just paid them to put it in for me, but it's a
pretty straight forward install if you don't mind drilling a couple of
holes in the body (to mount the filter) and don't have a problem putting
Ts into the coolant lines in a couple of places (all of the hardware is
included).

-tom!

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:36 am
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:39 am
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Tom Plunket turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:

> PerfectReign wrote:
>
>> > At this point it may be worth swinging down to Costco to see how much
>> > the soybean oil is. When I was buying it new it was running around $15
>> > for a 35lb jug, and Google tells me that soybean oil runs around 7.5#
>> > per gallon which led me to compute them as 4.5-4.7 gallons.
>>
>> Tom - what system do you have and what car?
>
> The Lovecraft one. I just paid them to put it in for me, but it's a
> pretty straight forward install if you don't mind drilling a couple of
> holes in the body (to mount the filter) and don't have a problem putting
> Ts into the coolant lines in a couple of places (all of the hardware is
> included).
>


thanks for the answer - i'd be curious to hear your experiences so far. I'm
looking at getting a 300d in the next few months and have plans to either
put in a two-tank system (such as frybrid or greasel) or a one-tank system
such as lovecraft or elsbett.

Also, what are you running in the tank? Are you at 10% WVO/SVO? 50%? 80%?


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(Msg. 22) Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:07 am
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:30 am
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The bit about Greenspan thinking zero Federal Debt would be bad was
from a very short snippet of a Larry King interview I happened to hit
upon when channel surfing when Greenspan was out selling his recently
published book.

I have no intention of buying Greenspan's book. Perhaps those
mindless automatons who still worship at the Project for a New
American Century/American Enterprise Institute altar have already
purchased the book by Reagan's Great Rudderman who never took his hand
off Reagan's tiller and they should read it for themselves.
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:28 pm
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jdoe <jdoe.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:15:32 +0100, Bruce <no.TakeThisOut@nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>Europe, with high taxes, thrives, with ever-increasing prosperity. The
>>Euro is the most stable of the world's significant currencies.
>>
>>Meanwhile, the USA, with low taxes, is on its knees, and the dollar is
>>in freefall.
>>
>>Seems like the USA is on the ash heap!
>
>
>if you're simplistic and naive this is a plausible conclusion


I might be simplistic and naive, but I am nowhere near as simplistic
and naive as the current occupant of the White House.
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:44 pm
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Klark Kent <stewart RemoveThis @copeland.com`> wrote:

>In message news:g4kb14tn5n6rl3r619ha0ikp8l3gfhu1ee@4ax.com, Bruce
><no RemoveThis @nospam.net> burned some brain cells writing:
>
>> I might be simplistic and naive, but I am nowhere near as simplistic
>> and naive as the current occupant of the White House.
>
>1. That's not saying much.

Exactly my point. Wink


>2. Whom do you propose as a better replacement.


I'm too modest to volunteer my services.
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:36 pm
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PerfectReign wrote:

> thanks for the answer - i'd be curious to hear your experiences so far. I'm
> looking at getting a 300d in the next few months and have plans to either
> put in a two-tank system (such as frybrid or greasel) or a one-tank system
> such as lovecraft or elsbett.
>
> Also, what are you running in the tank? Are you at 10% WVO/SVO? 50%? 80%?

I live just north of San Diego, California, so it's pretty much warm and
sunny every day of the year. In the winter, it might get down to
freezing in the mornings, so it's a little tricky to start, but
generally my mix is vegetable oil unless I run out. Last fill, I put 2
gallons of petrodiesel in to fill the tank, but that's the first time
I've been to the filling station in months. However, with the noticably
improved mileage I think I'll keep topping off with petrodiesel since
it's not too bad if you're only dropping $10 every couple of weeks...
(On top of 100% WVO that's primarily soy.)

Considered multi-tanking it, but where I live there's just no need. I
do a pretty thorough job filtering it, and haven't needed to change a
fuel filter since I did the conversion. I was running an SVO blend
(30-60% at any given time) with petrodiesel before getting the
conversion done. The oil is a lot darker than diesel fuel, it's sorta
like amber "grade A" maple syrup, but it's otherwise completely
transparent. I chalk that up to the obsessive-compulsive 5 micron
filter bags hanging into the drums in my shed. (Wow, they get full of
some mean sludgy nastiness, not to mention the occasional peanut,
greenbean, french fry, and even a screw once!)


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(Msg. 29) Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:53 am
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On Apr 28, 12:30 pm, heav <p... RemoveThis @inyopro.com> wrote:
> The bit about Greenspan thinking zero Federal Debt would be bad was
> from a very short snippet of a Larry King interview I happened to hit
> upon when channel surfing when Greenspan was out selling his recently
> published book.

OK, on Larry King's show, Alan Greenspan makes a comment that zero
federal debt would be bad, and that get turned into this:

"The bankers whose friends and associates profit from lending the
U.S.
government the money when the budget runs a deficit were panicked
(Alan Greenspan has written about this) that the Clinton era tax and
spending levels, if continued, would result in ZERO debt, something
Greenspan saw as potentially disastrous. Yeah - disastrous for all
his buddies who make enormous profits loaning our government the same
money they should be paying in taxes. "



Let's see what an independent source like the BBC says about where
Greenspan stood on reducing the federal debt:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/the_economy/411973.stm
"But in a change of tack last month, the Clinton administration
indicated that it was also prepared to consider using some of the
surplus to reduce the overall government debt.

Such a course of action has long been advocated by Alan Greenspan, the
influential chairman of the US central bank, the Federal Reserve.

He argues that reducing government debt should take priority over tax
cuts, as the move will free funds for private investment and lower
government spending."


That summary is consistent with everything I've heard Greenspan say in
testimony to Congress, speeches and interviews.

In other words, you've again taken something you don't understand at
all, and with jaundiced views, turned it into something it isn't.
Greenspan is right that zero federal debt would be a bad thing for a
number of reasons. The main one being that the FED buys and sells
govt securities in the open market to affect interest rates. If they
want to lower rates and stimulate the economy, they buy govt
securities. Without those to buy, they would have to find some other
financial vehicle, which opens up all kinds of protential problems.
If at least part of that debt is used to finance long term capital
items, like bridges, roads, or an aircraft carrier, it's no different
than a homeowner buying a house with a mortgage. The key here is the
relation of the total debt to the size of the US economy. It's still
not anywhere near historic levels when compared to the economy, but I
agree it would be good for it to be lowered. And Geenspan was always
in favor of reducing the present level of Federal debt and less govt
spending.


>
> I have no intention of buying Greenspan's book.  Perhaps those
> mindless automatons who still worship at the Project for a New
> American Century/American Enterprise Institute altar have already
> purchased the book by Reagan's Great Rudderman who never took his hand
> off Reagan's tiller and they should read it for themselves.

If you bought the book, you might learn something. As for
Greenspan's stewardship at the FED, only a tiny minority would bitch
about that. At the beginning of his chairmanship, the economy was in
a disaster, unemployment was 9%, inflation 7%, and govt bonds were
yeilding 18%. He was there with Reagan when all that was reversed
through tax cuts and sound monetary policy, resulting in the longest
expansion in peace time history.
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:13 am
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Tom Plunket turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:

> PerfectReign wrote:
>
>> thanks for the answer - i'd be curious to hear your experiences so far.
>> I'm looking at getting a 300d in the next few months and have plans to
>> either put in a two-tank system (such as frybrid or greasel) or a
>> one-tank system such as lovecraft or elsbett.
>>
>> Also, what are you running in the tank? Are you at 10% WVO/SVO? 50%? 80%?
>
> I live just north of San Diego, California, so it's pretty much warm and
> sunny every day of the year. In the winter, it might get down to
> freezing in the mornings, so it's a little tricky to start, but
> generally my mix is vegetable oil unless I run out.

I'm in the same boat - I'm in Los Angeles. It will drop into the 40's on a
regular basis but never less than 60 in my garage.


> Last fill, I put 2
> gallons of petrodiesel in to fill the tank, but that's the first time
> I've been to the filling station in months. However, with the noticably
> improved mileage I think I'll keep topping off with petrodiesel since
> it's not too bad if you're only dropping $10 every couple of weeks...
> (On top of 100% WVO that's primarily soy.)

That's what i was wondering.

I see many posts - both here and on places like benzworld - where they
completely deride single-tank systems for using 100% WVO and the cold
climates. However, I wanted to hear a first-hand experience from a local
who uses either 100% SVO/WVO or a mix.


>
> Considered multi-tanking it, but where I live there's just no need. I
> do a pretty thorough job filtering it, and haven't needed to change a
> fuel filter since I did the conversion. I was running an SVO blend
> (30-60% at any given time) with petrodiesel before getting the
> conversion done. The oil is a lot darker than diesel fuel, it's sorta
> like amber "grade A" maple syrup, but it's otherwise completely
> transparent. I chalk that up to the obsessive-compulsive 5 micron
> filter bags hanging into the drums in my shed. (Wow, they get full of
> some mean sludgy nastiness, not to mention the occasional peanut,
> greenbean, french fry, and even a screw once!)
>

So you filter your own? Do you collect as well? I'm thinking it would be
easier - and more convenient - for me to have it delivered already filtered
in 50 gallon containers. I see rates in the middle $2/gallon around here.


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