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N8N

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:44 am
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On Feb 27, 1:39 pm, Krho....RemoveThis@maine.nospam.rr.com (Kevin Rhodes) wrote:

> Personally I would rather have top quality German plastic substances on my
> seats than leather. The seats in my Mercedes are 20 years old and absolutely
> look like new. And are no more or less comfortable than the leather in the
> other cars. Zero maintenance too.

Could you maybe get D-B's materials guy to talk to Porsche's materials
guy? the phrase "top quality German plastic" makes me snort coffee
out my nose. The dash pad of the 944 looks like a map of the surface
of Mars, and it'll probably stay that way due to the PITA factor of
replacing it and the fact that Just Dashes wants something on the
order of magnitude of the value of the car to recover it.

nate

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:51 am
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On Feb 27, 1:22 pm, Krho....TakeThisOut@maine.nospam.rr.com (Kevin Rhodes) wrote:
> >Huh? I don't use the 'night' setting on my rearview mirror for the same
> >reason, all the detail is gone. I have excellent night vision and the
> >loss of detail annoys me.
>
> Uh, what exactly is it you are trying to see anyway? It's 'night time'. The
> only important thing back there is the headlights of the cars behind you. If
> some lunatic is coming up astern at warp speed without headlights on, you
> probably aren't going to notice them anyway - it's dark out.

If I can see the whole car and not just the headlights, I can make a
better estimate of distance, speed etc. - otherwise a small car close
to me appears the same as a large car farther back.

Plus, being able to identify a car as a Crown Vic may come in handy at
times.

>
> Personally, I think heated seats are God's gift to those of us living in
> colder climes. I also think headlight washers need to be required. Probably
> wouldn't think so if I lived in So Cal, but I live in Maine. Smile

I agree with the heated seats; I have not been lucky enough to own a
car with headlight washers, although I can see that they would be
useful. I'm in the habit of giving my headlights a swipe with the
squeegee every time I gas up, and the difference is noticeable.

nate

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:55 pm
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"*" <nospam RemoveThis @this.addy.com> wrote in message
news:01c87957$f40bf880$a195c3d8@race...

> McPherson worked for GM when he developed a suspension system that
> would
> fit into a smaller package at each corner of the car. GM decided it
> didn't
> need the "McPherson Strut" at the time, and allowed McPherson to
> keep his
> patent.
>
> Of course, many of today's cars use the strut setup - again to gain
> interior room - and GM now pays royalties to McPherson.

I know Wikipedia is not perfect, but I think they are far more likely
to be right on McPherson struts than you are...

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacPherson_strut
http://tinyurl.com/2jdoev

Ed
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Ray

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(Msg. 34) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:00 pm
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C. E. White wrote:
>
> "Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:R8Cdne0Vy41eZFnanZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>> Find me a woman under 35 years old that can drive three on the tree and
>> then I'll be concerned about it.
>
> You have a car with three on the tree? I don't know when they stopped
> offering that, but it had to be sometime in the 70's. I think our last
> vehicle with three on the tree was a 1972 Ford F100. However, if you can
> drive a stick shift, three on the tree is pretty easy. I am sure I could
> teach anyone who regularly drives a manual how to handle three on the
> three in just a few minutes.
>
> Ed

my wife turned 35 last December. Learned to drive on a 3/4 ton farm
truck. She's co-owner of a 2001 Trans Am six speed and bought me
nitrous for an anniversary present.

And no, you can't have her. Smile

Ray
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:00 pm
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N8N wrote:
>>
>> I do chuckle, because "hi-tech" for some people might consist of things
>> like self starters, radios, automatic transmissions, and disk brakes.
>> Anyone here want to go back to point ignitions? Smile
>
> Hey! You talking about me?
>
> nate
>
> (got rid of my last points distributor only a year or so ago; the '55
> is running a Chrysler "orange box" ignition now, although I do have a
> MSD 6AL that I might try to adapt...)

Well, would you consider points ignition on a new car to be a selling
feature? It's simple, not high-tech....

I sure wouldn't. Owned one car with points. That was enough. Wife's
car - 1990 Beretta... original coils. Never done anything but change
the plugs and wires. That's much better than doing points every 3 months.

Ray
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Kevin Rhodes

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(Msg. 36) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:00 pm
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>Huh? I don't use the 'night' setting on my rearview mirror for the same
>reason, all the detail is gone. I have excellent night vision and the
>loss of detail annoys me.

Uh, what exactly is it you are trying to see anyway? It's 'night time'. The
only important thing back there is the headlights of the cars behind you. If
some lunatic is coming up astern at warp speed without headlights on, you
probably aren't going to notice them anyway - it's dark out.

Personally, I think heated seats are God's gift to those of us living in
colder climes. I also think headlight washers need to be required. Probably
wouldn't think so if I lived in So Cal, but I live in Maine. Smile

Kevin Rhodes
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Brent P

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(Msg. 37) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:00 pm
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In article <47c5aa60$0$24089$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Kevin Rhodes wrote:
>
>>Huh? I don't use the 'night' setting on my rearview mirror for the same
>>reason, all the detail is gone. I have excellent night vision and the
>>loss of detail annoys me.
>
> Uh, what exactly is it you are trying to see anyway? It's 'night time'. The
> only important thing back there is the headlights of the cars behind you. If
> some lunatic is coming up astern at warp speed without headlights on, you
> probably aren't going to notice them anyway - it's dark out.

My night vision is good and I can see objects without lights on them from
the moon light, street lights, my own vehicle's lights, etc. Also detail
is very important for reading the 'body language' of another driver as
shown through his vehicle.

Also the loss of detail makes it more difficult to determine what sort of
vehicle is behind you. Not to mention bloting out the subtle differences
that allow the identification of a police cruiser.
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Matthew T. Russotto

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(Msg. 38) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:56 pm
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In article <01c87957$f40bf880$a195c3d8@race>, * <nospam.RemoveThis@this.addy.com> wrote:
>
>Of course, many of today's cars use the strut setup - again to gain
>interior room - and GM now pays royalties to McPherson.

That last is unlikely; the patent is long since expired, and
MacPherson is long dead.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
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Ed Pirrero

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(Msg. 39) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:23 pm
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On Feb 27, 6:27 am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:48:51 -0600, tetraethylleadREMOVET....DeleteThis@yahoo.com
>
> (Brent P) wrote:

> >> And you're never getting married or even having an SO.
>
> >Find me a woman under 35 years old that can drive three on the tree and
> >then I'll be concerned about it.
>
> Maybe that's your REAL problem: you aren't getting laid enough, and
> you take out your frustrations by getting into silly arguments on
> USENET? Smile

Ding! We have a winner!

It's amazing how small usenet becomes when you've got better things to
do.

E.P.
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:26 pm
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On Feb 27, 7:02 am, tetraethylleadREMOVET... DeleteThis @yahoo.com (Brent P)
wrote:
> In article <rbsas356ecr4p71ih7jcn8j061bhkfc... DeleteThis @4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:

>
> How many times
> have I made something up out of the blue scott? ZERO. Ya think there
> would be just a little respect.

LOL. That's reason you don't get respect. If the conclusions you
reached made sense from the data you presented, you *would* get
respect.

Have you ever pondered for a moment why you get "BS!" called on you so
often?

As far as never making anything up - ROTFLMAO.

E.P.
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:05 pm
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In article <34b87ba9-c84f-4a0d-a38e-856539135902 DeleteThis @i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Ed Pirrero wrote:
> On Feb 27, 7:02 am, tetraethylleadREMOVET... DeleteThis @yahoo.com (Brent P)
> wrote:
>> In article <rbsas356ecr4p71ih7jcn8j061bhkfc... DeleteThis @4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
>
>>
>> How many times
>> have I made something up out of the blue scott? ZERO. Ya think there
>> would be just a little respect.

> LOL. That's reason you don't get respect. If the conclusions you
> reached made sense from the data you presented, you *would* get
> respect.

You mean like the 85th percentile speed limit and other well supported
contrarian to the general population items that the majority of the
regulars of r.a.d. know to be true? The problem isn't my conclusions,
rather its that certain people, namely you Ed, refuse to have the same
open mind to the facts as they do with the 85th percentile speed limit.
After all, conventional thought is slow is safe, speed kills. You might
consider that if you've been fed lies in one area you might want to check
the underlying facts in other areas to see if you've been lied to there
as well. But nahh.... that's kooky... best for you to stick your head in
the sand and believe what the TV tells you.... Just insult me and it will
go away.

Anyway, what's my claim here, that cars even with these passive
anti-theft systems can be stolen vs. scott's claim that that the cars are
theft proof and it's my conclusion that is suspect? lol. Like all
anti-theft systems it just makes it different or take longer.

> Have you ever pondered for a moment why you get "BS!" called on you so
> often?

And then I dish out the cites and then either silence or insults follow.
If you had an open mind and bothered to expand your horizons a bit you'd
see that the 'speed kills' idiotcy is just one grain of sand on the beach
of similiar common thought that is just plain wrong.

> As far as never making anything up - ROTFLMAO.

Prove it.

Last time I heard a peep out of you Ed you were telling me I just 'made
up' administrative courts. I dished off a bunch of cites and you crawled
back under your bridge.

BTW, here ya go, a little googling and I found the article:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.08/carkey.html

"Like the Pass Key, the new RFID technology was extremely effective for a
few years. Thefts of the 1997 Ford Mustang, one of the first US cars with
a transponder, dropped 70 percent from 1995 levels. (The rest were
attributed to tow-aways and stolen keys.) Insurance firms were elated.
..There was -pretty much a God-given belief that if a car with a
transponder was stolen, the owner was sunk,. says Larry Burzynski, a
senior special agent with the National Insurance Crime Bureau. .The
perception was that the theft had to be owner involvement.. Insurers
pressed auto-makers to deploy the technology, and even now the most
frequently stolen cars in the US were built before the transponder era .
like the .95 Civic and the .89 Camry. Newer models make the list only
when manu-facturers forgo transponders.

TO car thieves, smart keys became little more than the latest challenge.
By 2000, forensic locksmiths like Painter were demonstrating for juries
how crooks were getting past the transponders in Fords: Pop the hood and
pull a certain fuse from the power relay center in the upper left corner.
Zap, you.re in.

Meanwhile, transponder-equipped cars were being resold to new owners, and
keys were disappearing behind couch cushions. Auto-repair supply and
locksmithing companies started selling devices like the Code-Seeker and
the T-Code, which allow anyone to create a new set of keys for a
fixed-code transponder-equipped car. The Jet Smart Clone (catchphrase:
..Clone the uncloneable!.) duplicates any fixed-code RFID chip by reading
its code and imprinting it onto the blank chip of a new key with the same
mechanical cut."


Now go crawl back under your bridge.
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:40 pm
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On Feb 27, 7:31 pm, tetraethylleadREMOVET... DeleteThis @yahoo.com (Brent P)
wrote:
> In article <64e05a21-6d54-46db-ad6c-9ec649af1... DeleteThis @s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Ed Pirrero wrote:
> > But the delusional "black helicopter" thing is ludicrous in the
> > extreme.
>
> It's so kooky you have a need to make sure it's pointed out and labeled
> in neon as such.

Actually, I ignore 95+% of it.

I guess there's another theory of yours, blasted to bits by just the
slightest application of thought.

But sure, "I made you do it."

LOL.

E.P.
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:04 pm
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In article <7458b50a-a17a-4859-b1b4-f6535bff7aa5.DeleteThis@k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Ed Pirrero wrote:

>> Such projection.
>
> You're a psychologist? I thought you said you were an engineer?
> Which is it?

I thought you were some sort of chemist or something in that field, it
doesn't seem to stop you.
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:31 pm
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In article <64e05a21-6d54-46db-ad6c-9ec649af1482.DeleteThis@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Ed Pirrero wrote:

> But the delusional "black helicopter" thing is ludicrous in the
> extreme.

It's so kooky you have a need to make sure it's pointed out and labeled
in neon as such. One would think you wouldn't need to do that. If
it were so over the top kooky as you claim, hell if it were a fraction as
kooky as you claim, you'd need not reply at all. It would be on its face
nutball kookiness that would fail on its own without any help from you.
Just think of all the OT tangents that could be avoided if you had the
confidence that my kookiness was so off the wall that it would fail on
its own without you.

> Any nuggets of real information that Brent may put out gets lost in
> the vast amount of unsupported and utter bullshit that accompanies
> it. It devalues the real information to the point where folks can
> just dismiss it.

What exactly is unsupported? You call for support, I support it, you
ignore the support and go off with insults or slience as you crawl back
under your bridge. Rinse and repeat thread after thread after thread.

> One could also make the argument that usenet is dying. There are a
> lot better places on the internet to spend time, places where Brent's
> OT stuff would just be either deleted outright, or moved to a more-
> appropriate forum. Those kind of forums have a much higher
> signal:noise, and have more value for the time spent. Sorta like the
> rennsport forums for you Porsche dicks. Uhhh, guys! Smile

Funny how most of the OT you blame me for is a direct result of you
stepping in and pushing things OT because of one tangential statement you
didn't like. It takes two to play Ed, if you didn't want to go off topic,
if you wanted to avoid noise, ignore it. Or are you affraid that
someone might take me seriously? If I am half the kook you say I am,
you wouldn't need to object you could just let it go and everyone
would just dismiss it as obvious kookiness and ignore me, right?

Instead you object to some little side statement and demand support and
give me an opening to introduce articles and facts etc. Maybe you
want that information spread but just don't have the guts to risk being
called a kook yourself? Afterall, it seems you do listen to Alex Jones.
Without you how could I work in so many OT articles? I may drift OT, but you
enable it Ed.
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:54 pm
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In article <1c27d0ee-baea-429b-b288-a998149869e7 DeleteThis @s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Ed Pirrero wrote:
> On Feb 27, 7:31 pm, tetraethylleadREMOVET... DeleteThis @yahoo.com (Brent P)
> wrote:
>> In article <64e05a21-6d54-46db-ad6c-9ec649af1... DeleteThis @s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Ed Pirrero wrote:
>> > But the delusional "black helicopter" thing is ludicrous in the
>> > extreme.
>>
>> It's so kooky you have a need to make sure it's pointed out and labeled
>> in neon as such.

> Actually, I ignore 95+% of it.

lol....

> I guess there's another theory of yours, blasted to bits by just the
> slightest application of thought.

you didn't apply any.

> But sure, "I made you do it."
>
> LOL.

You enable and participate in the very noise you complain about.
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