1.8T Oil - Warranty

"Lost In Space/Woodchuck" <webparts.RemoveThis@wildblue.net> wrote in message
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> We still have 1.8t owners who don't want to use synthetic in their
> engines. Go figure. Our repair orders have "customer requests synthetic
> oil" or "customer requests regular oil" printed on the repair order.
>
>>> And you tell them they have no choice. Or go elsewhere, Yes?
>
> "PeterD" <peter2.RemoveThis@hipson.net> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:26:57 -0800, "No Spam Please"
>> <Justsaynoto.RemoveThis@spam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
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>>>> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:24:27 -0800 (PST), Rocco
>>>> <vvvcccxxxzzz.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>
>>>> If done by an authorized VW dealer, then by definition it is the
>>>> correct oil. Just make 100% sure you keep your reciepts for *all* oil
>>>> changes!
>>>
>>>I wouldn't count on VWOA stranding by their dealers. There are still VW
>>>dealers that will fill that engine with conventional oil.
>>>
>>
>> By law they must.
>>
>> It is either that or you must do all your own oil changes, buying the
>> approved oil yourself, and doing the work yourself. In that case you
>> know 100% that the right oil is in there.
>>
>
>
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"D&LBusch" <diver.DeleteThis@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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>I just had an oil change at the dealer because my 04 Passat 1.8 was in
>forthe seat recall. They used conventional oil. When I questioned them I
>was told that the bulletin from VW still allowed Dino oil and that
>synthetic was merely and advisory.
> David
>>> And you got a copy of that non existant service bulletin, Right??
>
>>
>> "PeterD" <peter2.DeleteThis@hipson.net> wrote in message
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>>> On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:26:57 -0800, "No Spam Please"
>>> <Justsaynoto.DeleteThis@spam.com> wrote:
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>>>>"PeterD" <peter2.DeleteThis@hipson.net> wrote in message
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>>>>> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:24:27 -0800 (PST), Rocco
>>>>> <vvvcccxxxzzz.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If done by an authorized VW dealer, then by definition it is the
>>>>> correct oil. Just make 100% sure you keep your reciepts for *all* oil
>>>>> changes!
>>>>
>>>>I wouldn't count on VWOA stranding by their dealers. There are still VW
>>>>dealers that will fill that engine with conventional oil.
>>>>
>>>
>>> By law they must.
>>
>> What law is that?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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On Dec 3 2007, 12:24 pm, Rocco <vvvcccxxx....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> There's a new VW dealer where I live. The old dealer sold VW/Porsche
> to the new owner and kept BMW.
>
> I recently took my 2003 Passat VW 1.8T in for maintenance. The shop
> ticket shows that the new dealer used Mobil 1 5/30 (or 0/30 -- I have
> the receipt at home right now) synthetic. I didn't see this oil on
> the list of "approved" oils that I received from VW when the engine
> warranty was extended, a few years ago, due to sludge problems. The
> old dealer used an approved Castrol synthetic.
>
> I went to VW's web site, but I couldn't find a list of approved oils.
> I then called VW and was basically given a run around. I was told
> that there isn't a master list that can be viewed or obtained by the
> general public or even VW turbo owners. I could only ask about a
> particular oil. I wasn't left with a warm and fuzzy feeling about the
> VW guy's competence given his general ignorance about the sludge
> problem and the extended warranty.
>
> Is there a newer list of oils that must be used to have the extended
> warranty apply?
>
> The following is from the materials I received a few years ago (with
> the listed oil omitted):
> Warranty extended to 8 yeas and unlimited mileage.
> Requirements: oil change 5000 miles/6 months
> Approved oils: VW 502.00

For the past 1 1/2 months, I've been pestering the dealer in question
to prove that the oil it used met VW 502.00. You would think it was a
slam dunk to do so if the oil is in fact OK. I mean, you would think
that the dealer had to use something for guidance on putting the right
oil in the car and not just guess! After saying for the past 1 1/2
months that it was going to get proof from Mobil, the dealer finally
gave up on that. I think he called VW and was told to put in an
approved Mobil 1.

The dealer changed out the oil this Saturday at no cost. He only had
Mobil 1 0-40 on hand. I would have preferred 5-40 since I live in a
hot climate.

I checked my ticket for the oil change that caused my inquiry in the
1st place. All it shows for the oil is 6 qts 98HR05 Mobil 5W30. I
didn't find anything on google or yahoo with this part number. Maybe
it's a number for an approved oil, but I couldn't find anything on the
web and the dealer couldn't come up with anything either.

The ticket for Saturday's oil change shows 6 qts. 98BB04 MBL1 - SYN
0W40.

I'm not happy that oil was originally put in that might not meed VW
502.00, but I will give the dealer credit for finally doing the right
thing. I don't know, however, that I'll go back to him for oil
changes. The only thing that was bringing me to the dealer was the
fact that they have the filter, etc. on hand and neither I nor a local
garage has to chase across town to get it. I'll have to give this
further thought for the future.

BTW, thanks to the poster who provided the Tech Bulletin for VW 502.00
from 2006.
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:46:15 -0800 (PST), Rocco
<vvvcccxxxzzz.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Dec 3 2007, 12:24 pm, Rocco <vvvcccxxx....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> There's a new VW dealer where I live. The old dealer sold VW/Porsche
>> to the new owner and kept BMW.
>>
>> I recently took my 2003 Passat VW 1.8T in for maintenance. The shop
>> ticket shows that the new dealer used Mobil 1 5/30 (or 0/30 -- I have
>> the receipt at home right now) synthetic. I didn't see this oil on
>> the list of "approved" oils that I received from VW when the engine
>> warranty was extended, a few years ago, due to sludge problems. The
>> old dealer used an approved Castrol synthetic.
>>
>> I went to VW's web site, but I couldn't find a list of approved oils.
>> I then called VW and was basically given a run around. I was told
>> that there isn't a master list that can be viewed or obtained by the
>> general public or even VW turbo owners. I could only ask about a
>> particular oil. I wasn't left with a warm and fuzzy feeling about the
>> VW guy's competence given his general ignorance about the sludge
>> problem and the extended warranty.
>>
>> Is there a newer list of oils that must be used to have the extended
>> warranty apply?
>>
>> The following is from the materials I received a few years ago (with
>> the listed oil omitted):
>> Warranty extended to 8 yeas and unlimited mileage.
>> Requirements: oil change 5000 miles/6 months
>> Approved oils: VW 502.00
>
>For the past 1 1/2 months, I've been pestering the dealer in question
>to prove that the oil it used met VW 502.00. You would think it was a
>slam dunk to do so if the oil is in fact OK. I mean, you would think
>that the dealer had to use something for guidance on putting the right
>oil in the car and not just guess! After saying for the past 1 1/2
>months that it was going to get proof from Mobil, the dealer finally
>gave up on that. I think he called VW and was told to put in an
>approved Mobil 1.
>
>The dealer changed out the oil this Saturday at no cost. He only had
>Mobil 1 0-40 on hand. I would have preferred 5-40 since I live in a
>hot climate.
>
>I checked my ticket for the oil change that caused my inquiry in the
>1st place. All it shows for the oil is 6 qts 98HR05 Mobil 5W30. I
>didn't find anything on google or yahoo with this part number. Maybe
>it's a number for an approved oil, but I couldn't find anything on the
>web and the dealer couldn't come up with anything either.
>
>The ticket for Saturday's oil change shows 6 qts. 98BB04 MBL1 - SYN
>0W40.
>
>I'm not happy that oil was originally put in that might not meed VW
>502.00, but I will give the dealer credit for finally doing the right
>thing. I don't know, however, that I'll go back to him for oil
>changes. The only thing that was bringing me to the dealer was the
>fact that they have the filter, etc. on hand and neither I nor a local
>garage has to chase across town to get it. I'll have to give this
>further thought for the future.
>
>BTW, thanks to the poster who provided the Tech Bulletin for VW 502.00
>from 2006.
6 quarts. I thought that engine took less than 5 even with the big oil
filter.
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On Jan 29, 8:39 am, "dave AKA vwdoc1" <vwdoc1nos....DeleteThis@pleasehotmail.com>
wrote:
> "Jim Behning" <jimbehn....DeleteThis@doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> wrote in message
>
> snip
>
> >>BTW, thanks to the poster who provided the Tech Bulletin for VW 502.00
> >>from 2006.
> > 6 quarts. I thought that engine took less than 5 even with the big oil
> > filter.
>
> good catch Jim!!

Very interesting, but not worth the hassle for going back to the
dealer about it.

The "wrong" oil that was put in first cost something like $2.50/qt.
Mobil1 costs $4.++/qt., but I didn't pay for Saturday's oil change.

I'll need to keep an eye on this when I go for the next oil change.

Thanks for the heads-up.
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"Jim Behning" <jimbehning.RemoveThis@doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> wrote in message

snip

>>BTW, thanks to the poster who provided the Tech Bulletin for VW 502.00
>>from 2006.
> 6 quarts. I thought that engine took less than 5 even with the big oil
> filter.

good catch Jim!!
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Stop by your dealer and ask them to let you read technical bulletin 17-08-01
dated 1/08/08 which has a list of VW approved oils. As a reference Mobil 1
has the 502-00 spec. for SAE 0W-40


"Rocco" <vvvcccxxxzzz DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> There's a new VW dealer where I live. The old dealer sold VW/Porsche
> to the new owner and kept BMW.
>
> I recently took my 2003 Passat VW 1.8T in for maintenance. The shop
> ticket shows that the new dealer used Mobil 1 5/30 (or 0/30 -- I have
> the receipt at home right now) synthetic. I didn't see this oil on
> the list of "approved" oils that I received from VW when the engine
> warranty was extended, a few years ago, due to sludge problems. The
> old dealer used an approved Castrol synthetic.
>
> I went to VW's web site, but I couldn't find a list of approved oils.
> I then called VW and was basically given a run around. I was told
> that there isn't a master list that can be viewed or obtained by the
> general public or even VW turbo owners. I could only ask about a
> particular oil. I wasn't left with a warm and fuzzy feeling about the
> VW guy's competence given his general ignorance about the sludge
> problem and the extended warranty.
>
> Is there a newer list of oils that must be used to have the extended
> warranty apply?
>
> The following is from the materials I received a few years ago (with
> the listed oil omitted):
> Warranty extended to 8 yeas and unlimited mileage.
> Requirements: oil change 5000 miles/6 months
> Approved oils: VW 502.00
>
>
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Thanks. Found TB 17-08-01 at
http://tech.bentleypublishers.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/109-346...335439-
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On Feb 6, 5:44 pm, "Lost In Space/Woodchuck" <webpa....TakeThisOut@wildblue.net>
wrote:
> Stop by your dealer and ask them to let you read technical bulletin 17-08-01
> dated 1/08/08 which has a list of VW approved oils. As a reference Mobil 1
> has the 502-00 spec. for SAE 0W-40
>
> "Rocco" <vvvcccxxx....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:87da4795-b07a-4fe5-ada3-c1a13fdc79f1@t47g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > There's a new VW dealer where I live. The old dealer sold VW/Porsche
> > to the new owner and kept BMW.
>
> > I recently took my 2003 Passat VW 1.8T in for maintenance. The shop
> > ticket shows that the new dealer used Mobil 1 5/30 (or 0/30 -- I have
> > the receipt at home right now) synthetic. I didn't see this oil on
> > the list of "approved" oils that I received from VW when the engine
> > warranty was extended, a few years ago, due to sludge problems. The
> > old dealer used an approved Castrol synthetic.
>
> > I went to VW's web site, but I couldn't find a list of approved oils.
> > I then called VW and was basically given a run around. I was told
> > that there isn't a master list that can be viewed or obtained by the
> > general public or even VW turbo owners. I could only ask about a
> > particular oil. I wasn't left with a warm and fuzzy feeling about the
> > VW guy's competence given his general ignorance about the sludge
> > problem and the extended warranty.
>
> > Is there a newer list of oils that must be used to have the extended
> > warranty apply?
>
> > The following is from the materials I received a few years ago (with
> > the listed oil omitted):
> > Warranty extended to 8 yeas and unlimited mileage.
> > Requirements: oil change 5000 miles/6 months
> > Approved oils: VW 502.00

oops!!! This should be the correct URL for a copy of the TB:

http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/529/VW_TSB_17_08_01_2008-Jan-11.pdf
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My GF stumbled across VW's letter the other day, and was good enough
to type of the list of oils:

Brand Name
Castrol Syntec - 5W-40
Chevron Supreme Synthetic - 5W-40
Elf Excellium LDX - 5W-40
Kendall GT-1 Full Synthetic - 5W-40
Mobile 1 - 0W-40
Pennzoil Synthetic European Formula - 5W-40
Pennzoil Synthetic European Formula Ultra - 5W-30
Quaker State Full Synthetic European Formula - 5W-40
Quaker State Full Synthetic European Formula Ultra - 5W-30
76 Pure Synthetic Motor Oil - 5W-40
Havoline Synthetic - 5W-40
Total Quartz 9000 - 5W-40
Valvoline Synpower - 5W-30
Valvoline Synpower - 5W-40


"Rocco" <vvvcccxxxzzz RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message news:87da4795-b07a-4fe5-ada3-c1a13fdc79f1@t47g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> There's a new VW dealer where I live. The old dealer sold VW/Porsche
> to the new owner and kept BMW.
>
> I recently took my 2003 Passat VW 1.8T in for maintenance. The shop
> ticket shows that the new dealer used Mobil 1 5/30 (or 0/30 -- I have
> the receipt at home right now) synthetic. I didn't see this oil on
> the list of "approved" oils that I received from VW when the engine
> warranty was extended, a few years ago, due to sludge problems. The
> old dealer used an approved Castrol synthetic.
>
> I went to VW's web site, but I couldn't find a list of approved oils.
> I then called VW and was basically given a run around. I was told
> that there isn't a master list that can be viewed or obtained by the
> general public or even VW turbo owners. I could only ask about a
> particular oil. I wasn't left with a warm and fuzzy feeling about the
> VW guy's competence given his general ignorance about the sludge
> problem and the extended warranty.
>
> Is there a newer list of oils that must be used to have the extended
> warranty apply?
>
> The following is from the materials I received a few years ago (with
> the listed oil omitted):
> Warranty extended to 8 yeas and unlimited mileage.
> Requirements: oil change 5000 miles/6 months
> Approved oils: VW 502.00
>
>
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On Mar 15, 8:06 pm, "Chuck Tribolet" <trib....TakeThisOut@garlic.com> wrote:
> My GF stumbled across VW's letter the other day, and was good enough
> to type of the list of oils:
> Brand Name:
>(snipped)
> > Is there a newer list of oils that must be used to have the extended
> > warranty apply?
Here's a list you might find useful:
AMSOIL Synthetic European Car Formula is formulated to surpass the
most demanding European specifications. It is recommended for European
and North American gasoline or diesel vehicles requiring any of the
following worldwide specifications:

* API SM/CF
* ACEA C3-04
* ACEA A3/B3-04
* ACEA A3/B4-04
* ACEA C3
* BMW LL-04
* Mercedes Benz 229.31, 229.51
* Porsche
* Saab
* Volvo
* Volkswagen 502.00, 505.00, 505.01
* DaimlerChrysler MS-10725

Your Owners Manual should show what criteria must be met to qualify.
I sure don't have look far to find the brand that has the necessary
qualities.


> > The following is from the materials I received a few years ago (with
> > the listed oil omitted):
> > Warranty extended to 8 years and unlimited mileage.
> > Requirements: oil change 5000 miles/6 months
> > Approved oils: VW 502.00

Oil change interval of 5,000 miles or 6 months is likely be too long
for any non-synthetic but oil analysis would prove it one way or the
other. VW will have what the extneded OCI is.
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