Price of car too high?Will it run on unleaded?

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 > I once had a FIAT 132 1981 model. I proudly announced "5 Speed" on the boot!

Even the Maxi didn't sink that low!

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"Sleeker GT Phwoar" <carl.robson RemoveThis @bouncing-czechs.com> wrote in message
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 > In article <42430b07$0$81022$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>,
 > clive RemoveThis @xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk says...
   > > > Yeah. They're starting to do some nice modern ones without Turbo's
   > > > though, eg. Yaris' 1.4D, Punto/Corsa 1.3, etc. I think they'll become
   > > > less common on Diesels.
  > >
  > > Hey, look, would that be Peter talking _utter_ bollocks again?
  > >
 > Don't know, the Punto diesel I learnt to drive in nearly 4 years ago
 > wasn't a turbo.

And was it the 1.3? I think not...

(He's talking about the new 1.3 multijet one, which, guess what, has a
turbo. Just as it has in the corsa. Yaris? Same answer.)

cheers,
clive<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Clive George (clive@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :

  >> Yeh, looked at that (that webshite is terrible to actually try to
  >> find anything on) - the PDF "tech spec" for the Yaris doesn't mention
  >> a turbo, and 55bhp from a modern 1.4 diesel isn't really TD
  >> territory, although the torque does imply it might be. Google was
  >> inconclusive, too.

 > I thought it was rather easy - I clicked on 'yaris', then 'engines',
 > then saw the bit saying 'The highly efficient 1.4 litre D-4D engine
 > incorporates a variable nozzle turbocharger'

<mutters feeble excuses>
Told you it was a very poor webshite to find anything on...

Soddin' kW/PS, too - 75PS, 55kW. Not 55BHP.

<shrugs>
It's a feckin' Yaris.
<yawns>

 > The new smart engines appear to have turbos, although I couldn't find
 > anything on the manufacturer's site, and the colt appears to be the
 > same engine.

Same car...<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Guy King (guy.king@zetnet.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

  >> and the new Punto lump's a 1.3 "multijet" TD.

 > "Multijet"? Is that market speak for "We know all[1] diesels have one
 > injector per cylinder but we're going to make out like it's a big
 > thing"?

Heh. I *think* there's a bit more to it, but gawd knows what...<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Sleeker GT Phwoar (carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com) gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying :

   >> > Yeah. They're starting to do some nice modern ones without Turbo's
   >> > though, eg. Yaris' 1.4D, Punto/Corsa 1.3, etc. I think they'll become
   >> > less common on Diesels.

  >> Hey, look, would that be Peter talking _utter_ bollocks again?

 > Don't know, the Punto diesel I learnt to drive in nearly 4 years ago
 > wasn't a turbo.

Yep, small diseasels didn't used to have a turbo.

They nearly all do now.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Sleeker GT Phwoar (carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com) gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying :

   >> > Peter, there is a bloody big sticker usually on the sun visor telling
   >> > you what to do.

  >> Umm, there isn't in my turbo petrol XM.

 > Really, both my Saab, my celica, and the Numerous petrol and diesel
 > turbo Skodas, and Nissans that I have been in have had one.
 >
 > As it is french, maybe the vibration shook it off with the trim

Neither of 'em have had, and both are fairly solidly screwed together. None
of the CX turbos I've driven have had, either.

Mebbe they assume Citroen owners can read, and might bother to look for the
manual? <grin><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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 > <<You're assuming that they are treated properly. How many people, other
 > than the regulars of this group, do you know who treat their Turbos (or
 > engines) properly? I don't think there are many people who would let a
 > Turbo spool down. The Turbo could quite possibly be on it's way out.
 > It's a good few years old.
 >
 > £500 is quite a lot of money when the whole car only cost you £500!
 > You'd need to budget for it when buying the car.>>
 >
 > Is it me or is Peter McMillan actually starting to talk sense?
 >
<<Sort of, but he actually made up for it later in the thread.>>

What, with talk of most small 1400-1500cc dervs *not* being turbo'd. Yeah,
good point.

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Adrian wrote:
 > Clive George (clive@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding
much
 > like they were saying :
 >
   > >> TBF, small diseasel hatches often haven't been turbo'd - and the
   > >> Yaris D4-D still doesn't seem to be
 >
  > > Got an URL? Or are you making the same mistake as Peter?
 >
 > Fukkoff...
 >
  > > (hint - <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.toyota.co.uk" target="_blank">www.toyota.co.uk</a>)
 >
 > Yeh, looked at that (that webshite is terrible to actually try to
find
 > anything on) - the PDF "tech spec" for the Yaris doesn't mention a
turbo,
 > and 55bhp from a modern 1.4 diesel isn't really TD territory,
although the
 > torque does imply it might be. Google was inconclusive, too.
 >
   > >> - but more and more tiddlers are TD rather than just D. Is there
such a
   > >> thing as a non-turbo common rail diseasel?
 >
  > > Are the VW SDs that? (or are they a slightly different technology?)
 >
 > Don't think so. Google suggests they're DI, but don't think they're
common
 > rail.

I've just found a Toyota advertising brochure thing, and it has a whole
page about their Diesel engine. It doesn't mentioned Turbo at all on
the page, but does say...

"unusually high power outputs, equivalent to that of may competitors'
similarly-sized petrol engines"

Acording to this brochure thing it also says that it gives 74bhp, not
55bhp. It gives 170Nm of Torque, which is LOADS . Toyota seem to
think it's an achievement. For a Turbo the output wouldn't be anything
special, but if it is normally aspirated, then it's pretty good.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Clive George wrote:
 > "Sleeker GT Phwoar" <carl.robson.DeleteThis@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote in
message
 > news:MPG.1cad38fbe08737999896ae@news.individual.net...
  > > Don't know, the Punto diesel I learnt to drive in nearly 4 years
ago
  > > wasn't a turbo.
 >
 > And was it the 1.3? I think not...
 >
 > (He's talking about the new 1.3 multijet one, which, guess what, has
a
 > turbo. Just as it has in the corsa. Yaris? Same answer.)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's cos the Corsa's and Punto's 1.3 Diesel is exactly the same!<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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In article <Xns9623B202B103Cadrianachapmanfreeis RemoveThis @130.133.1.4>,
toomany2cvs RemoveThis @gmail.com says...
 > Perhaps a Saab 900?
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4537651060</font" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4537651060</font</a>>
 >
Thats not a Saab 900, it's a Cavalier in a Leather waistcoat and Chaps.

That
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4536857972&rd=1" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4536857972&rd=1</a>
or
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4538115657&rd=1" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4538115657&rd=1</a>
or especially
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4536835403&rd=1" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4536835403&rd=1</a>
are real Saab 900s.

And yes, if one came up at the right price I would favour the Cav in
Leather and Chaps over a Cav, or most fords for the same money. Might
have to think twice over an Audi though.
--
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In article <42432e46$0$81025$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>,
clive.RemoveThis@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk says...
 > "Sleeker GT Phwoar" <carl.robson.RemoveThis@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote in message
 > news:MPG.1cad38fbe08737999896ae@news.individual.net...
  > > In article <42430b07$0$81022$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>,
  > > clive.RemoveThis@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk says...
   > > > > Yeah. They're starting to do some nice modern ones without Turbo's
   > > > > though, eg. Yaris' 1.4D, Punto/Corsa 1.3, etc. I think they'll become
   > > > > less common on Diesels.
   > > >
   > > > Hey, look, would that be Peter talking _utter_ bollocks again?
   > > >
  > > Don't know, the Punto diesel I learnt to drive in nearly 4 years ago
  > > wasn't a turbo.
 >
 > And was it the 1.3? I think not...
 >
 > (He's talking about the new 1.3 multijet one, which, guess what, has a
 > turbo. Just as it has in the corsa. Yaris? Same answer.)
 >
 > cheers,
 > clive
 >
 >
 >
Oh I don't know the engine size. Never asked, it went well enough to get
a learner into trouble sometimes I liked driving it. Never seemed
slow, mind you I had my own practice car too, a 1.2 Skoda Estelle. Now
that could be slow, unless you drove it with passion and visited the red
line regularly (after I fitted a rev counter).
--
Carl Robson
"Sorry Sir the meatballs are orf"
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 >> Stay informed about: Price of car too high?Will it run on unleaded? 

Sleeker GT Phwoar (carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com) gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying :

  >> Perhaps a Saab 900?
<font color=green>  >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4537651060</font" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4537651060</font</a>>

 > Thats not a Saab 900, it's a Cavalier in a Leather waistcoat and Chaps.

Yep, I know...
I drove an E-reg 900i across the Sahara last xmas, remember...?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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<petermcmillan_uk.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > Clive George wrote:
  > > "Sleeker GT Phwoar" <carl.robson.TakeThisOut@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote in
 > message
  > > news:MPG.1cad38fbe08737999896ae@news.individual.net...
   > > > Don't know, the Punto diesel I learnt to drive in nearly 4 years
 > ago
   > > > wasn't a turbo.
  > >
  > > And was it the 1.3? I think not...
  > >
  > > (He's talking about the new 1.3 multijet one, which, guess what, has
 > a
  > > turbo. Just as it has in the corsa. Yaris? Same answer.)
 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 > That's cos the Corsa's and Punto's 1.3 Diesel is exactly the same!

Er - yes, thats what I said. If I'd been talking about a different engine,
I'd have said "Just as the corsa engine has".

Anyway, how is your quest for a modern small non-turbo diesel going?

clive<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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