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Clive George (clive@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

  >> Yeah. They're starting to do some nice modern ones without Turbo's
  >> though, eg. Yaris' 1.4D, Punto/Corsa 1.3, etc. I think they'll become
  >> less common on Diesels.

 > Hey, look, would that be Peter talking _utter_ bollocks again?
 >
 > (Peter, tell me where you heard about these mythical new engines - a link
 > will do...)

TBF, small diseasel hatches often haven't been turbo'd - and the Yaris D4-D
still doesn't seem to be - but more and more tiddlers are TD rather than
just D. Is there such a thing as a non-turbo common rail diseasel?

We'll completely ignore the fact that all the current diseasel Punto and
Corsa lumps are turbo'd...

Diseasels are getting far smaller capacity - for example, PSA now do a 1.6
110bhp HDi instead of 2.0, and the new Punto lump's a 1.3 "multijet" TD.

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"Adrian" <toomany2cvs RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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 > Clive George (clive@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much
like
 > they were saying :
 >
   > >> Yeah. They're starting to do some nice modern ones without Turbo's
   > >> though, eg. Yaris' 1.4D, Punto/Corsa 1.3, etc. I think they'll become
   > >> less common on Diesels.
 >
  > > Hey, look, would that be Peter talking _utter_ bollocks again?
  > >
  > > (Peter, tell me where you heard about these mythical new engines - a
link
  > > will do...)
 >
 > TBF, small diseasel hatches often haven't been turbo'd - and the Yaris
D4-D
 > still doesn't seem to be

Got an URL? Or are you making the same mistake as Peter?

(hint - <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.toyota.co.uk" target="_blank">www.toyota.co.uk</a>)

 > - but more and more tiddlers are TD rather than
 > just D. Is there such a thing as a non-turbo common rail diseasel?

Are the VW SDs that? (or are they a slightly different technology?)

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Guy King wrote:
 >
 > The message <1111684159.052926.317430 RemoveThis @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>
 > from petermcmillan_uk RemoveThis @yahoo.com contains these words:
 >
  > > Chavs abuse cars whether they have Turbo's or not. Wait a minute,
  > > Chavs can't usually afford Turbo's anyway.
 >
 > No need - they can afford the sticker and that's good enough.

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Clive George (clive@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :

  >> TBF, small diseasel hatches often haven't been turbo'd - and the
  >> Yaris D4-D still doesn't seem to be

 > Got an URL? Or are you making the same mistake as Peter?

Fukkoff...

 > (hint - <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.toyota.co.uk" target="_blank">www.toyota.co.uk</a>)

Yeh, looked at that (that webshite is terrible to actually try to find
anything on) - the PDF "tech spec" for the Yaris doesn't mention a turbo,
and 55bhp from a modern 1.4 diesel isn't really TD territory, although the
torque does imply it might be. Google was inconclusive, too.

  >> - but more and more tiddlers are TD rather than just D. Is there such a
  >> thing as a non-turbo common rail diseasel?

 > Are the VW SDs that? (or are they a slightly different technology?)

Don't think so. Google suggests they're DI, but don't think they're common
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"Adrian" <toomany2cvs DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9623C69555EBDadrianachapmanfreeis@130.133.1.4...
 > Clive George (clive@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much
 > like they were saying :
 >
   > >> TBF, small diseasel hatches often haven't been turbo'd - and the
   > >> Yaris D4-D still doesn't seem to be
 >
  > > Got an URL? Or are you making the same mistake as Peter?
 >
 > Fukkoff...
 >
  > > (hint - <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.toyota.co.uk" target="_blank">www.toyota.co.uk</a>)
 >
 > Yeh, looked at that (that webshite is terrible to actually try to find
 > anything on) - the PDF "tech spec" for the Yaris doesn't mention a turbo,
 > and 55bhp from a modern 1.4 diesel isn't really TD territory, although the
 > torque does imply it might be. Google was inconclusive, too.

I thought it was rather easy - I clicked on 'yaris', then 'engines', then
saw the bit saying 'The highly efficient 1.4 litre D-4D engine incorporates
a variable nozzle turbocharger'

The new smart engines appear to have turbos, although I couldn't find
anything on the manufacturer's site, and the colt appears to be the same
engine.

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The message <Xns9623C2A59BEEadrianachapmanfreeis RemoveThis @130.133.1.4>
from Adrian <toomany2cvs RemoveThis @gmail.com> contains these words:

 > and the new Punto lump's a 1.3 "multijet" TD.

"Multijet"? Is that market speak for "We know all[1] diesels have one
injector per cylinder but we're going to make out like it's a big
thing"?

[1] For some values of all.

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The message <424314FC.506A7020 DeleteThis @sssssssssssssssizefitter.com>
from Johannes H Andersen <johs DeleteThis @sssssssssssssssizefitter.com> contains
these words:

 > Few turbo cars are badged "Turbo" these days. It just attracts the wrong
 > kind of attention.

More likely it's no longer sufficiently uncommon to be worth commenting on.

You don't see Transits with 16V on the back either.

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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:01:12 GMT, Guy King <guy.king RemoveThis @zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

 > The message <Xns9623C2A59BEEadrianachapmanfreeis RemoveThis @130.133.1.4>
 > from Adrian <toomany2cvs RemoveThis @gmail.com> contains these words:
 >
  >> and the new Punto lump's a 1.3 "multijet" TD.
 >
 > "Multijet"? Is that market speak for "We know all[1] diesels have one
 > injector per cylinder but we're going to make out like it's a big
 > thing"?
 >
 > [1] For some values of all.
 >


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In article <1111684159.052926.317430 RemoveThis @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
petermcmillan_uk RemoveThis @yahoo.com says...
 >
 > Mason wrote:
   > > > Most people, even chavs believe it or not, want their turbo to
 > last,
   > > > because a turbo car with out a turbo is just a car, and a bad one
 > at
   > > > that.
  > >
  > > Come on, not Chavs! OK, so most people will probably look after it,
  > > but I suspect that a lot wont.
  > >
  > >
  > > Anyone, chavs included, will realise they won;t have a turbocharged
 > car long
  > > if it's abused past a certain point. Considering Chavs it is most
 > likely to
  > > be the most important thing in their lives, a lot of cars people call
 >
  > > "chavved" have still had a lot of money spent on them, on maintenance
 > as
  > > well as crap mods.
 >
 > Chavs abuse cars whether they have Turbo's or not. Wait a minute,
 > Chavs can't usually afford Turbo's anyway. Anyway, if they did have a
 > Turbo I don't think they'd treat it any different. This is Chavs we're
 > talking about!
 >
 >
See that is where you are wrong.
What we call a Chav is usually called a redneck, or "white trash with
cash" in the states.

No taste, but money, either through benefits, minor crime, or even
believe it or not working crap jobs that pay well, because no fucker
wants to do them.

They don't know what taste is, so they spend it on expensive tat, heavy
gaudy jewellery and their cars. Some of them don't know of anything more
important to them than their cars. They may drink "Ultra white super
piss" becuase they get wrecked on £3, but that leaves £120 to spend on
the cars.
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Guy King wrote:
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 > The message <424314FC.506A7020 RemoveThis @sssssssssssssssizefitter.com>
 > from Johannes H Andersen <johs RemoveThis @sssssssssssssssizefitter.com> contains
 > these words:
 >
  > > Few turbo cars are badged "Turbo" these days. It just attracts the wrong
  > > kind of attention.
 >
 > More likely it's no longer sufficiently uncommon to be worth commenting on.
 >
 > You don't see Transits with 16V on the back either.

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In article <42430b07$0$81022$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>,
clive DeleteThis @xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk says...
  > > Yeah. They're starting to do some nice modern ones without Turbo's
  > > though, eg. Yaris' 1.4D, Punto/Corsa 1.3, etc. I think they'll become
  > > less common on Diesels.
 >
 > Hey, look, would that be Peter talking _utter_ bollocks again?
 >
Don't know, the Punto diesel I learnt to drive in nearly 4 years ago
wasn't a turbo.
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In article <nPD0e.646$2j2.85@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>,
Peter.TakeThisOut@SwerveForeskinWeb.com says...
  > > The Turbo-charger itself doesn't give two hoots what fuel you're running -
  > > all it does is blow air, and drink engine-oil to lubricate it's bearings.
 > An
  > > average modern Turbo will last over 100,000 miles if treated poorly, maybe
  > > upto 200,000 or more if treated well. They're only around £500 to get
  > > reconned though, so as a >100k expense, it's not really an issue.
 >
 > <<You're assuming that they are treated properly. How many people, other
 > than the regulars of this group, do you know who treat their Turbos (or
 > engines) properly? I don't think there are many people who would let a
 > Turbo spool down. The Turbo could quite possibly be on it's way out.
 > It's a good few years old.
 >
 > £500 is quite a lot of money when the whole car only cost you £500!
 > You'd need to budget for it when buying the car.>>
 >
 > Is it me or is Peter McMillan actually starting to talk sense?
 >
 >
Sort of, but he actually made up for it later in the thread.
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