SAAB 9-5 Question

"The Malt Hound" <Malt_Hound@*no spam please*yahoo.com> wrote in
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 > "romey" <UseLinkToEmail@New & Used Cars Forums - AutoForumz.com>
 > wrote in message news:42257532$1_1@alt.athenanews.com...
  >>I am looking at buying a 2001 Saab 95. I will be taking over the
  >> payments for this vehicle. It will have about 45-50K miles and
  >> will
  >> owe about $17-18K. My question if anyone can help me....what kind
  >> of
  >> problems should I expect if any and will this thing last me at
  >> least
  >> 3-4 years w/out major hassles. Also, how expensive are Saab’s to
  >> maintain? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks....Romey
 >
 > Sounds like you are paying too much. The seller seems to be upside
 > down on his loan and you are assuming his condition.
 >
 > Look around and you are likely to find the same car for less money.
 >

FYI... I did a quick look up on kbb.com on a '01 9-5 and the Private
Party value is about $14,500

If it was a 9-5SE (with the dreaded GM V6) it would be worth a
thousand more according to Kelley, but I would say stay away and find
a 2.3L 4 cylinder turbo. Much better engine.

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I think you are paying too much for the car. I bought a 2001 9-5 SE V6 with
43,000 miles one year ago. I paid 14,100.00. I knew I got a deal so I
jumped on it! Maybe 17-18 is OK, I checked the NADA values and I guess it
ranges from 16K to 18K. Look around here in Clev Oh there are all kinds of
deals on 9-5's in the 14-15K range. Where are you located

Anyway If it is a V6 you will need a timing belt @ 60K. On the 4 cyl there
are issues of Direct Ignition packs failing and some sludge problems.


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 > I am looking at buying a 2001 Saab 95. I will be taking over the
 > payments for this vehicle. It will have about 45-50K miles and will
 > owe about $17-18K. My question if anyone can help me....what kind of
 > problems should I expect if any and will this thing last me at least
 > 3-4 years w/out major hassles. Also, how expensive are Saab's to
 > maintain? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks....Romey
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Hello,
very well said. Just note that timing belt change is free at SAAB
dealer. Well it is wise to change tensioner and pulleys at same time but
labor and belt will be covered. Also there are problems with 4 cylinder
engine concerning PCV system that leads to turbo failures or engine
death. It is essential to have oil change history for 4 cylinder car or
at least car checked for the sludge. Inspection is around $100 at SAAB
dealer and mention you want to check them for the sludge. I'm sure they
will know what you mean. There is also retroactive transferable 8
years warranty on this engines in recognition of the problem. But I bet
it is going to be honored only if you can show regular maintenance
records and oil changes. V6 engines are modified British made by GM.
They seem to be trouble free.
The price seems to be a bit high to me. Visit your SAAB dealer. I'm
almost sure that in the worst case you'll get a similar car but with
100k warranty as Certified PreOwned.
Good Luck,
Radek

Walp wrote:
 > I think you are paying too much for the car. I bought a 2001 9-5 SE V6 with
 > 43,000 miles one year ago. I paid 14,100.00. I knew I got a deal so I
 > jumped on it! Maybe 17-18 is OK, I checked the NADA values and I guess it
 > ranges from 16K to 18K. Look around here in Clev Oh there are all kinds of
 > deals on 9-5's in the 14-15K range. Where are you located
 >
 > Anyway If it is a V6 you will need a timing belt @ 60K. On the 4 cyl there
 > are issues of Direct Ignition packs failing and some sludge problems.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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I was under impression that the 9-5 V6 was the Saab asymmetric turbo engine,
not the GM V6 used in the earlier NG900? Are you sure about "dreaded V6 GM"?

-Dima

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 >
 > FYI... I did a quick look up on kbb.com on a '01 9-5 and the Private Party
 > value is about $14,500
 >
 > If it was a 9-5SE (with the dreaded GM V6) it would be worth a thousand
 > more according to Kelley, but I would say stay away and find a 2.3L 4
 > cylinder turbo. Much better engine.
 >
 > -Fred W
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thanks for all the replies thus far...it definitely helps! The 95 is a turbo. As for the pricing and condition of the car...it's in pretty good shape. I'm actually taking over the loan payments from a good friend of mine. I plan on selling it in a few years so I just want to make sure I can AT LEAST break even on the car. Also, I am going to pay off the car with a home equity, therefore the interest payments will be about 4.25%. What's the likelihood this car will hold its value in about 3 years? Thanks again!
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"romey" <UseLinkToEmail@New & Used Cars Forums - AutoForumz.com> wrote
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 > thanks for all the replies thus far...it definitely helps! The 95
 > is
 > a turbo. As for the pricing and condition of the car...it’s in
 > pretty
 > good shape. I’m actually taking over the loan payments from a good
 > friend of mine.

I hope he is a very good friend, because you are bailing him out of
his loan. As I said before, he is upside down (meaning he owes more
than the car is worth) and you are buying him out of that position.

 > I plan on selling it in a few years so I just want to
 > make sure I can AT LEAST break even on the car. Also, I am going to
 > pay off the car with a home equity, therefore the interest payments
 > will be about 4.25%. What’s the likelihood this car will hold its
 > value in about 3 years?

2 chances... slim and none. SAABs are notorious for rapid
depreciation. Plus are you are starting out behind.

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"Walp" <buckeye3.TakeThisOut@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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 >I think you are paying too much for the car. I bought a 2001 9-5 SE
 >V6 with
 > 43,000 miles one year ago. I paid 14,100.00. I knew I got a deal
 > so I
 > jumped on it! Maybe 17-18 is OK, I checked the NADA values and I
 > guess it
 > ranges from 16K to 18K.

That's retail value from a dealer. You don't pay that for a private
party sale. For that, figure on about 1/2 way between retail and
wholesale.

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 > .. What's the likelihood this car will
 > hold its value in about 3 years?

It will not....
as with any modern car the loss of value will be most in the first years. If
you want a car to hold its value, you should buy a classic car (preferably a
SAAB of course). But if you take the value of money in consideration (the
cash value) it might be an even better investment if you just put your money
in a bank savings account.

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"Dima" <dima.TakeThisOut@tdasystems.com> wrote in message
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 >I was under impression that the 9-5 V6 was the Saab asymmetric turbo
 >engine, not the GM V6 used in the earlier NG900? Are you sure about
 >"dreaded V6 GM"?
 >

I stand corrected. It is a SAAB 3.0L turbo V6.
Whatever it is, it still has a timing belt.
Personally, I wouldn't want it, but it is better than the GM engine in
the 9000's

YMMV,
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In article <112c6rts3ck8lf8 DeleteThis @corp.supernews.com>,
Dima <dima DeleteThis @tdasystems.com> wrote:

 > I was under impression that the 9-5 V6 was the Saab asymmetric turbo engine,
 > not the GM V6 used in the earlier NG900? Are you sure about "dreaded V6 GM"?

The 3.0 V6 used in the 9000 and the 2.5 V6 used in the ng900 is from a
different engine family than the 3.0 V6 used in the 9-5. Both engines
are GM engines, the 9000/ng900 V6 was manufactured by Opel in Germany,
the 9-5 V6 was manufactured by Vauxhall in England. The recently
presented 2.8 V6 in the new 9-3 SC is also a GM engine. This one is
manufactured by Holden in Australia. The four cylinder petrol engines
used in the 9-5 are also GM engines. They are manufactured by Saab in
Sweden.

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"Goran Larsson" <hoh.DeleteThis@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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 > In article <112c6rts3ck8lf8.DeleteThis@corp.supernews.com>,
 > Dima <dima.DeleteThis@tdasystems.com> wrote:
 >
  >> I was under impression that the 9-5 V6 was the Saab asymmetric
  >> turbo engine,
  >> not the GM V6 used in the earlier NG900? Are you sure about
  >> "dreaded V6 GM"?
 >
 > The 3.0 V6 used in the 9000 and the 2.5 V6 used in the ng900 is from
 > a
 > different engine family than the 3.0 V6 used in the 9-5. Both
 > engines
 > are GM engines, the 9000/ng900 V6 was manufactured by Opel in
 > Germany,
 > the 9-5 V6 was manufactured by Vauxhall in England. The recently
 > presented 2.8 V6 in the new 9-3 SC is also a GM engine. This one is
 > manufactured by Holden in Australia. The four cylinder petrol
 > engines
 > used in the 9-5 are also GM engines. They are manufactured by Saab
 > in
 > Sweden.

Thanks for clearing that up. The reference I found called the 3.0V6 a
"SAAB" engine, but I suppose it can be loosely defined since SAAB was
owned by GM during its release.

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On 2 Mar 2005 13:46:40 -0500, romey <UseLinkToEmail@New & Used Cars
Forums - AutoForumz.com> wrote :


 >thanks for all the replies thus far...it definitely helps! The 95 is
 >a turbo. As for the pricing and condition of the car...it’s in pretty
 >good shape. I’m actually taking over the loan payments from a good
 >friend of mine.

I don't think he is really "a good friend" if he is prepared to do
that to you - he is transferring to you a loan on which the asset is
worth less than the loan and getting home free himself. Don't do it,
or else demand around $3000 cash to take over the loan.
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MH wrote:

  >> .. What's the likelihood this car will
  >> hold its value in about 3 years?

 > It will not....
 > as with any modern car the loss of value will be most in the first
 > years. If you want a car to hold its value, you should buy a classic
 > car (preferably a SAAB of course). But if you take the value of money
 > in consideration (the cash value) it might be an even better
 > investment if you just put your money in a bank savings account.

Saabs depreciate like rocks, but this makes them an excellent used car value.
Definately let someone else take the hit though.

Matt O.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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