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vlg

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 5:45 pm
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Ok I have a Thema LS Turbo. The 205BHP model. My reserc valve failed so I
changed it for a Forge Motorsport one. However if I released the accelerator
pedal just before the turbo kicked in it would cough and jerk the car. I
have now put a standard reserc valve in and the problem has gone. Wierd?



I need some advice please also; I have put in a bleed valve and opened it
ever so slightly so it pulls just over 1 bar (1.5 overboost). However in
gears 4, 5 my injector light comes under prolonged acceleration. I want more
boost in gears 1,2 and 3. I do not care about gears 4 and 5. So basically
how do I increase boost in gears 1,2 and 3 and reduce it in gears 4 and 5 as
to keep within the limits of the engine. I have been told that 1.2 is MAX
for the LS Turbo. At the moment I am a 1bar in gears 1,2 and 3 and 1.3 bar
in gears 4 and 5.


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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:09 am
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"vlg" <vlg DeleteThis @btinternet.com> wrote in
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 >
 > I need some advice please also; I have put in a bleed valve and opened
 > it ever so slightly so it pulls just over 1 bar (1.5 overboost).
 > However in gears 4, 5 my injector light comes under prolonged
 > acceleration. I want more boost in gears 1,2 and 3. I do not care
 > about gears 4 and 5. So basically how do I increase boost in gears 1,2
 > and 3 and reduce it in gears 4 and 5 as to keep within the limits of
 > the engine. I have been told that 1.2 is MAX for the LS Turbo. At the
 > moment I am a 1bar in gears 1,2 and 3 and 1.3 bar in gears 4 and 5.

Get a decent boostcontroller, at least a ball and spring type. Bleed
valves suck and exhibit the characteristic you mention now ; building
substantially more boost in higher gears. My friend uses a bleed valve to
control his BOV (to keep it shut at idle). That's about the only thing
they are good for.

A ball and spring controller usually makes it spool faster too, by not
opening the wastegate partially WAY before set pressure is reached like a
bleeder does.

You may even need an electronic boost controller to make boost exactly
equal in all gears, as there will always be a slight difference between
the gears with any type of purely mechanical boost controller. Some might
even allow setting boost per gear.

Either that or you add switch valves that switch between different manual
boost controllers, one for low gears and one for high gears. You could
fab something with microswitches on the gearbox to engage them, or do it
manually (in that case, don't forget!)

It may also be that in the first couple of gears, the turbo can't keep up
with engine rpm's (that rise very fast in low gears). There isn't much
you can do about that, although a ball and spring controller should
certainly help even that situation, by keeping the wastegate shut better
than a bleeder does.

Well, I think I gave you a couple of ideas to try... good luck!

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:40 am
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Thanks Marcel!

Thats great advise. You sure know your stuff. Where can I get a ball spring
controller cheap in the UK?

Kind Regards!

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 > "vlg" <vlg.DeleteThis@btinternet.com> wrote in
 > news:bluqk7$aqg$1@sparta.btinternet.com:
  > >
  > > I need some advice please also; I have put in a bleed valve and opened
  > > it ever so slightly so it pulls just over 1 bar (1.5 overboost).
  > > However in gears 4, 5 my injector light comes under prolonged
  > > acceleration. I want more boost in gears 1,2 and 3. I do not care
  > > about gears 4 and 5. So basically how do I increase boost in gears 1,2
  > > and 3 and reduce it in gears 4 and 5 as to keep within the limits of
  > > the engine. I have been told that 1.2 is MAX for the LS Turbo. At the
  > > moment I am a 1bar in gears 1,2 and 3 and 1.3 bar in gears 4 and 5.
 >
 > Get a decent boostcontroller, at least a ball and spring type. Bleed
 > valves suck and exhibit the characteristic you mention now ; building
 > substantially more boost in higher gears. My friend uses a bleed valve to
 > control his BOV (to keep it shut at idle). That's about the only thing
 > they are good for.
 >
 > A ball and spring controller usually makes it spool faster too, by not
 > opening the wastegate partially WAY before set pressure is reached like a
 > bleeder does.
 >
 > You may even need an electronic boost controller to make boost exactly
 > equal in all gears, as there will always be a slight difference between
 > the gears with any type of purely mechanical boost controller. Some might
 > even allow setting boost per gear.
 >
 > Either that or you add switch valves that switch between different manual
 > boost controllers, one for low gears and one for high gears. You could
 > fab something with microswitches on the gearbox to engage them, or do it
 > manually (in that case, don't forget!)
 >
 > It may also be that in the first couple of gears, the turbo can't keep up

 > with engine rpm's (that rise very fast in low gears). There isn't much
 > you can do about that, although a ball and spring controller should
 > certainly help even that situation, by keeping the wastegate shut better
 > than a bleeder does.
 >
 > Well, I think I gave you a couple of ideas to try... good luck!
 >
 > Marcel


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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 11:51 am
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Ebay has them.

"vlg" <vlg.RemoveThis@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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 > Thanks Marcel!
 >
 > Thats great advise. You sure know your stuff.
 > Where can I get a ball spring
 > controller cheap in the UK?
 >
 > Kind Regards!<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:09 pm
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Can't seem to find one for sale on a good UK website? Any tips appreciated?


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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 12:23 pm
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"vlg" <vlg.RemoveThis@btinternet.com> wrote in
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 > Can't seem to find one for sale on a good UK website? Any tips
 > appreciated?

I don't know much about the UK market but I can point you towards mail
order / internet stores outside the UK that sell one at a fair price...
boostcontroller.com is one of them, I have dealt with them in the past.
Even their cheapest controller (XZ) works just fine.

I use, install and resell those myself with great success but I think you
might as well order one from the US (I don't usually do mail order anyway).

From personal experience with these : if even the XZ does not make full
boost in lower gears, the turbo itself or the exhaust system is to blame.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 12:23 pm
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My god, don't pay huge prices for esssentially a check ball type of
regulator! All you need is a small air regulator, like a small compressor
has on it, this is a diaphragm type, it will actually regulate pressure, ok,
it doesen't have glitsy anodising in all colours you want, but it works, and
works well. Should be available at most hardware stores or anywhere you can
buy an air compressor. We used this same thing on Indy cars before we got
electronic controls, back in the '80s, and it worked well.

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 > "vlg" <vlg DeleteThis @btinternet.com> wrote in
 > news:bmf4aj$8kh$1@titan.btinternet.com:
 >
  > > Can't seem to find one for sale on a good UK website? Any tips
  > > appreciated?
 >
 > I don't know much about the UK market but I can point you towards mail
 > order / internet stores outside the UK that sell one at a fair price...
 > boostcontroller.com is one of them, I have dealt with them in the past.
 > Even their cheapest controller (XZ) works just fine.
 >
 > I use, install and resell those myself with great success but I think you
 > might as well order one from the US (I don't usually do mail order
anyway).
 >
 > From personal experience with these : if even the XZ does not make full
 > boost in lower gears, the turbo itself or the exhaust system is to blame.
 >
 > Marcel<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:58 pm
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i had surging problems with my bleeder valve.
i went with the hallman bc in cabin controller,work very well.by passed my
n75 valve,and hooked up a red L.E.D light to the
connection to see for knocking.
i will be happy to help with any info.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:24 pm
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remember to reset your computer after overboost,it my go into limp mode.to
reset just
disconnect negitive side from batt,and jump the cable to the positive
side, this will drain all the capacitors in the ECU reinstall after about
30 seconds.for more info contact me.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:28 pm
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check the spring and vacume operation on the forged DV it my be faulty,also
try installing the forged DV in reverse this helps operations of the DV
valve.can't hurt to try.
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