airbag for 93 9000CSET

On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 11:14:45 -0500, ma_twain <ma_twain.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I have a theory, if you wear your seatbelt, you don't really need an front
> airbag.
>

I think that's largely true. But at the same time, in a collision where the car
is getting compacted from the front, the steering wheel and dashboard could
easily intrude on the driver's personal space regardless of seatbelt use. The
airbag provides a large, soft buffer to prevent the steering wheel and
dashboard from causing injury to the head and chest.

John
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9.9 volt constant? That can't be right. If it is 9.9 volt constant,
you can't keep the SRS light not blinking. That's too low.
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"Malt_Hound" <""Malt_Hound"@*spam-me not*yahoo.com"> wrote in message >
> Incorrect theory. Airbags are only useful when used in conjunction with a
> primary restraint system (read seatbelt). An airbag by itself is
> practically useless.
>
> But I have a better and irrefutable one. If one never gets in collisions
> (note that I did not use the term accident, since it seldom is one) they
> need neither a seatbelt nor an airbag.
>

I have another theory. People who drive and think they'll never get in an
accident (sorry, collision) and eat greaseburgers everyday and think they
won't get a heart attack and smoke and think they won't get cancer are in
denial.

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"yaofeng" <yaofengchen.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> 9.9 volt constant? That can't be right. If it is 9.9 volt constant,
> you can't keep the SRS light not blinking. That's too low.

9.x (varies) at startup. After that I don't pay much attention but I wll
from now on. Maybe the display is bad.


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& to butcher & slaughter others every time a general or a politician gets a
hardon for a war. Rather, it is our patriotic duty to demand the highest
burden of proof to justify war.
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ma_twain wrote:

> I have a theory, if you wear your seatbelt, you don't really need an front
> airbag.
>
> Airbags were used because people refused to wear seat belts and the car
> companies were looking for a Supplemental Restraint System (SRS). It is
> not a Primary Restraint System (seatbelt).

Its more interesting than that. An airbag can also possibly kill you
(especially in the US). Airbags were indeed designed as a supplementary
restraint to be used in conjunction with seat belts. However, in the US
seat belt use is not/was not mandated by law, which meant that the
calibration and violence of the airbag deployment is different.

In countries where seat belt installation and useage is mandated by law
airbags are safer.
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seog wrote:

> "yaofeng" <yaofengchen.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1131234923.762608.266710@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > 9.9 volt constant? That can't be right. If it is 9.9 volt constant,
> > you can't keep the SRS light not blinking. That's too low.
>
> 9.x (varies) at startup. After that I don't pay much attention but I wll
> from now on. Maybe the display is bad.

I thought the display deliberately 'held' the cranking voltage so as to make
battery deterioration more apparent.

If you cycle the display back to voltage I rather think you'll find the voltage
is more normal once the engine is running.

Graham
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seog wrote:

> "Malt_Hound" <""Malt_Hound"@*spam-me not*yahoo.com"> wrote in message >
> > Incorrect theory. Airbags are only useful when used in conjunction with a
> > primary restraint system (read seatbelt). An airbag by itself is
> > practically useless.
> >
> > But I have a better and irrefutable one. If one never gets in collisions
> > (note that I did not use the term accident, since it seldom is one) they
> > need neither a seatbelt nor an airbag.
> >
>
> I have another theory. People who drive and think they'll never get in an
> accident (sorry, collision) and eat greaseburgers everyday and think they
> won't get a heart attack and smoke and think they won't get cancer are in
> denial.

In recent years I have twice been reversed into !

Try and dodge that one !

Graham
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seog wrote:
> "yaofeng" <yaofengchen.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1131234923.762608.266710@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
>>9.9 volt constant? That can't be right. If it is 9.9 volt constant,
>>you can't keep the SRS light not blinking. That's too low.
>
>
> 9.x (varies) at startup. After that I don't pay much attention but I wll
> from now on. Maybe the display is bad.
>
>

No, that isn't how the voltage display works on the 9000 onboard displays.

If you look at the voltage display on the onboard display before you
start the car it will show the voltage charge of the battery.

When you first start the car the display then shows the minimum voltage
it measured during cranking. That would be your 9.x volts.

If you then cycle through the info available and come back to voltage
you will see the "running" voltage that is being output from the
alternator while charging the battery.

I don't east cheeseburgers (very often), smoke only cigars and I have
not had been involved in an automobile collision in 30 years. Oh...
and I am not in denial.
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Pooh Bear wrote:
>
> seog wrote:
>
>
>>"Malt_Hound" <""Malt_Hound"@*spam-me not*yahoo.com"> wrote in message >
>>
>>>Incorrect theory. Airbags are only useful when used in conjunction with a
>>>primary restraint system (read seatbelt). An airbag by itself is
>>>practically useless.
>>>
>>>But I have a better and irrefutable one. If one never gets in collisions
>>>(note that I did not use the term accident, since it seldom is one) they
>>>need neither a seatbelt nor an airbag.
>>>
>>
>>I have another theory. People who drive and think they'll never get in an
>>accident (sorry, collision) and eat greaseburgers everyday and think they
>>won't get a heart attack and smoke and think they won't get cancer are in
>>denial.
>
>
> In recent years I have twice been reversed into !
>
> Try and dodge that one !
>
> Graham
>

That is what the noise maker we call the "horn" is for.

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-Fred W
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9.x volt at start up is normal. After starting the car voltage should
be above 13 volts. Below 13 volts you have great potential of
triggering the SRS if it has not happened already. A sudden increase
in load before the electrical system has time to respond will trigger
the SRS light and makes it blinking. At least that has been my
experience.

You did not say how old is the battery.
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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 03:59:48 GMT, ShazWozza <shaz_wozza DeleteThis @elementspring.com> wrote:
> Its more interesting than that. An airbag can also possibly kill you
> (especially in the US). Airbags were indeed designed as a supplementary
> restraint to be used in conjunction with seat belts. However, in the US
> seat belt use is not/was not mandated by law, which meant that the
> calibration and violence of the airbag deployment is different.

I don't you have a cite to back up what seems pretty unlikely, do you?

> In countries where seat belt installation and useage is mandated by law
> airbags are safer.

So the part numbers are different then, are they?
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"seog" <no RemoveThis @none.com> wrote in news:Wkebf.2907$SV1.2643@trndny01:

> I have another theory. People who drive and think they'll never get in an
> accident (sorry, collision) and eat greaseburgers everyday and think they
> won't get a heart attack and smoke and think they won't get cancer are in
> denial.

Fully agree. I've been in two collisions in the last year. Both were caused
by the other driver (one ran a stop sign and plowed into me, the other one
pulled into my lane on top of me on the Interstate, both were yapping on
cell phones) and would have been a lot worse for me without the Saab's
ability to get out of the way.
I drive like everyone else out there is a raving lunatic. I'd be in a lot
more collisions if I didn't drive that way.
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Dave Hinz wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 03:59:48 GMT, ShazWozza <shaz_wozza.RemoveThis@elementspring.com> wrote:
>
>>Its more interesting than that. An airbag can also possibly kill you
>>(especially in the US). Airbags were indeed designed as a supplementary
>>restraint to be used in conjunction with seat belts. However, in the US
>>seat belt use is not/was not mandated by law, which meant that the
>>calibration and violence of the airbag deployment is different.
>
>
> I don't you have a cite to back up what seems pretty unlikely, do you?
>
>
>>In countries where seat belt installation and useage is mandated by law
>>airbags are safer.
>
>
> So the part numbers are different then, are they?
>

No of course not. Just as the last time this old wive's tale was
discussed. The airbags in the US don't cause any more (or less)
injuries than they do anywhere alse. We are just a more litigious sort...

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