audi a6 2.7t smoking

On Dec 8, 11:45 am, Dano58 <dan.dibi....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 8, 9:15 am, Jims Audi <14for....DeleteThis@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> > My 2000 audi a6 2.7t just started smoking (real bad) out of both
> > exhaust pipes. It also sounds like the waste gate is partially open
> > (like a small exhaust leak). The oil is 3 weeks old (synthetic 5w 40)
> > as is the filter. I am not getting any engine codes and the car seems
> > to run OK. Not that I took it too far when I saw the smoke. Could it
> > be the turbo? What would cause that to happen? Too lean a fuel
> > mixture? Just age?
>
> What color is the oil? If it's white-ish gray, then probably head
> gasket is shot (coolant getting into the cylinders). If it's bue-ish
> then you are buring oil so could be any number of things.
>
> Dan D
> '04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
> Central NJ USA

Oil color is good.
Color of smoke is bluish.
I am definitely burning oil.
Any ideas?
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In article
<27c431d6-3470-4307-a5c9-000df0714fb6.TakeThisOut@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Jims Audi <14forest.TakeThisOut@embarqmail.com> wrote:

> My 2000 audi a6 2.7t just started smoking (real bad) out of both
> exhaust pipes. It also sounds like the waste gate is partially open
> (like a small exhaust leak). The oil is 3 weeks old (synthetic 5w 40)
> as is the filter. I am not getting any engine codes and the car seems
> to run OK. Not that I took it too far when I saw the smoke. Could it
> be the turbo? What would cause that to happen? Too lean a fuel
> mixture? Just age?

Is there anything you can unscrew to give you a look between the exhaust
manifold and the turbo? Maybe an oxygen sensor or EGR valve? It may
help you determine if it's the turbo or something like the valve stem
seals.

It would be good to fix it before your catalytic converter clogs or
melts.
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On Dec 8, 3:34 pm, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmur....DeleteThis@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> In article
> <27c431d6-3470-4307-a5c9-000df0714....DeleteThis@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Jims Audi <14for....DeleteThis@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> > My 2000 audi a6 2.7t just started smoking (real bad) out of both
> > exhaust pipes. It also sounds like the waste gate is partially open
> > (like a small exhaust leak). The oil is 3 weeks old (synthetic 5w 40)
> > as is the filter. I am not getting any engine codes and the car seems
> > to run OK. Not that I took it too far when I saw the smoke. Could it
> > be the turbo? What would cause that to happen? Too lean a fuel
> > mixture? Just age?
>
> Is there anything you can unscrew to give you a look between the exhaust
> manifold and the turbo? Maybe an oxygen sensor or EGR valve? It may
> help you determine if it's the turbo or something like the valve stem
> seals.
>
> It would be good to fix it before your catalytic converter clogs or
> melts.

I cant see an easy way to get at anything prior to the turbo. The
engine compartment is jammed full.
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On Dec 9, 11:24 am, Jims Audi <14for....RemoveThis@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 8, 3:34 pm, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmur....RemoveThis@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <27c431d6-3470-4307-a5c9-000df0714....RemoveThis@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> > Jims Audi <14for....RemoveThis@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > My 2000 audi a6 2.7t just started smoking (real bad) out of both
> > > exhaust pipes. It also sounds like the waste gate is partially open
> > > (like a small exhaust leak). The oil is 3 weeks old (synthetic 5w 40)
> > > as is the filter. I am not getting any engine codes and the car seems
> > > to run OK. Not that I took it too far when I saw the smoke. Could it
> > > be the turbo? What would cause that to happen? Too lean a fuel
> > > mixture? Just age?
>
> > Is there anything you can unscrew to give you a look between the exhaust
> > manifold and the turbo? Maybe an oxygen sensor or EGR valve? It may
> > help you determine if it's the turbo or something like the valve stem
> > seals.
>
> > It would be good to fix it before your catalytic converter clogs or
> > melts.
>
> I cant see an easy way to get at anything prior to the turbo. The
> engine compartment is jammed full.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I have the same car. I had same issue last year or early this year (~
81K). Well, I posted on this forum but did not hear anything. First of
all, if you are in really cold areas then you may expect some smoke in
the winters. At the start of the winter, it seems to be a lot. Mine
had some bad smoke once when I started to work for 3-4 miles in the
morning (temperatures ~ 25-30 F or -2 to -5 C). I turned around and
went to a mechanic shop. But by then there was no smoke. The mechanic
said it was usual in the winters. If there is any oil that settled and
froze overnight may burn incompletely and give some smoke cold
weather. I did not see much smoke later on. I still keep a watch on
it.

After couple of months, all of a sudden my car starting shaking real
bad in a parking lot and then I had issues in the engine. one of the 6
valves had debris/ residue settled in it and was misfiring. It had to
be replaced and costed a bomb (1200$). It could be a completely
independent issue from the smoke but I believe the smoke (if it is too
bad) was an indication of the debris collected. I would get it checked
or atleast have an engine oil flush (100$) which is good for the car
as part of maintenace at a high mileage. I would check with a dealer
and see if it is suggested and get it done at any good oil change
shop. Good luck. Let us know if you found any solutions to your smoke
issue.
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On Dec 10, 9:28 am, Vk <krishnard... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 9, 11:24 am, Jims Audi <14for... DeleteThis @embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 8, 3:34 pm, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmur... DeleteThis @dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
> > > In article
> > > <27c431d6-3470-4307-a5c9-000df0714... DeleteThis @d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> > > Jims Audi <14for... DeleteThis @embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > My 2000 audi a6 2.7t just started smoking (real bad) out of both
> > > > exhaust pipes. It also sounds like the waste gate is partially open
> > > > (like a small exhaust leak). The oil is 3 weeks old (synthetic 5w 40)
> > > > as is the filter. I am not getting any engine codes and the car seems
> > > > to run OK. Not that I took it too far when I saw the smoke. Could it
> > > > be the turbo? What would cause that to happen? Too lean a fuel
> > > > mixture? Just age?
>
> > > Is there anything you can unscrew to give you a look between the exhaust
> > > manifold and the turbo? Maybe an oxygen sensor or EGR valve? It may
> > > help you determine if it's the turbo or something like the valve stem
> > > seals.
>
> > > It would be good to fix it before your catalytic converter clogs or
> > > melts.
>
> > I cant see an easy way to get at anything prior to the turbo. The
> > engine compartment is jammed full.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I have the same car. I had same issue last year or early this year (~
> 81K). Well, I posted on this forum but did not hear anything. First of
> all, if you are in really cold areas then you may expect some smoke in
> the winters. At the start of the winter, it seems to be a lot. Mine
> had some bad smoke once when I started to work for 3-4 miles in the
> morning (temperatures ~ 25-30 F or -2 to -5 C). I turned around and
> went to a mechanic shop. But by then there was no smoke. The mechanic
> said it was usual in the winters. If there is any oil that settled and
> froze overnight may burn incompletely and give some smoke cold
> weather. I did not see much smoke later on. I still keep a watch on
> it.
>
> After couple of months, all of a sudden my car starting shaking real
> bad in a parking lot and then I had issues in the engine. one of the 6
> valves had debris/ residue settled in it and was misfiring. It had to
> be replaced and costed a bomb (1200$). It could be a completely
> independent issue from the smoke but I believe the smoke (if it is too
> bad) was an indication of the debris collected. I would get it checked
> or atleast have an engine oil flush (100$) which is good for the car
> as part of maintenace at a high mileage. I would check with a dealer
> and see if it is suggested and get it done at any good oil change
> shop. Good luck. Let us know if you found any solutions to your smoke
> issue.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Did you have a sound like an exhaust leak or an open turbo waste gate?
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On Dec 11, 5:17 pm, Jims Audi <14for... RemoveThis @embarqmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 10, 9:28 am, Vk <krishnard... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 9, 11:24 am, Jims Audi <14for... RemoveThis @embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 8, 3:34 pm, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmur... RemoveThis @dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article
> > > > <27c431d6-3470-4307-a5c9-000df0714... RemoveThis @d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > Jims Audi <14for... RemoveThis @embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > My 2000 audi a6 2.7t just started smoking (real bad) out of both
> > > > > exhaust pipes. It also sounds like the waste gate is partially open
> > > > > (like a small exhaust leak). The oil is 3 weeks old (synthetic 5w 40)
> > > > > as is the filter. I am not getting any engine codes and the car seems
> > > > > to run OK. Not that I took it too far when I saw the smoke. Could it
> > > > > be the turbo? What would cause that to happen? Too lean a fuel
> > > > > mixture? Just age?
>
> > > > Is there anything you can unscrew to give you a look between the exhaust
> > > > manifold and the turbo? Maybe an oxygen sensor or EGR valve? It may
> > > > help you determine if it's the turbo or something like the valve stem
> > > > seals.
>
> > > > It would be good to fix it before your catalytic converter clogs or
> > > > melts.
>
> > > I cant see an easy way to get at anything prior to the turbo. The
> > > engine compartment is jammed full.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I have the same car. I had same issue last year or early this year (~
> > 81K). Well, I posted on this forum but did not hear anything. First of
> > all, if you are in really cold areas then you may expect some smoke in
> > the winters. At the start of the winter, it seems to be a lot. Mine
> > had some bad smoke once when I started to work for 3-4 miles in the
> > morning (temperatures ~ 25-30 F or -2 to -5 C). I turned around and
> > went to a mechanic shop. But by then there was no smoke. The mechanic
> > said it was usual in the winters. If there is any oil that settled and
> > froze overnight may burn incompletely and give some smoke cold
> > weather. I did not see much smoke later on. I still keep a watch on
> > it.
>
> > After couple of months, all of a sudden my car starting shaking real
> > bad in a parking lot and then I had issues in the engine. one of the 6
> > valves had debris/ residue settled in it and was misfiring. It had to
> > be replaced and costed a bomb (1200$). It could be a completely
> > independent issue from the smoke but I believe the smoke (if it is too
> > bad) was an indication of the debris collected. I would get it checked
> > or atleast have an engine oil flush (100$) which is good for the car
> > as part of maintenace at a high mileage. I would check with a dealer
> > and see if it is suggested and get it done at any good oil change
> > shop. Good luck. Let us know if you found any solutions to your smoke
> > issue.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Did you have a sound like an exhaust leak or an open turbo waste gate?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

No. I did not have any noise. Not that I could notice.
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On Dec 12, 10:08 am, Vk <krishnard... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 11, 5:17 pm, Jims Audi <14for... DeleteThis @embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 10, 9:28 am, Vk <krishnard... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 9, 11:24 am, Jims Audi <14for... DeleteThis @embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Dec 8, 3:34 pm, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmur... DeleteThis @dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <27c431d6-3470-4307-a5c9-000df0714... DeleteThis @d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > Jims Audi <14for... DeleteThis @embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > My 2000 audi a6 2.7t just started smoking (real bad) out of both
> > > > > > exhaust pipes. It also sounds like the waste gate is partially open
> > > > > > (like a small exhaust leak). The oil is 3 weeks old (synthetic 5w 40)
> > > > > > as is the filter. I am not getting any engine codes and the car seems
> > > > > > to run OK. Not that I took it too far when I saw the smoke. Could it
> > > > > > be the turbo? What would cause that to happen? Too lean a fuel
> > > > > > mixture? Just age?
>
> > > > > Is there anything you can unscrew to give you a look between the exhaust
> > > > > manifold and the turbo? Maybe an oxygen sensor or EGR valve? It may
> > > > > help you determine if it's the turbo or something like the valve stem
> > > > > seals.
>
> > > > > It would be good to fix it before your catalytic converter clogs or
> > > > > melts.
>
> > > > I cant see an easy way to get at anything prior to the turbo. The
> > > > engine compartment is jammed full.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > I have the same car. I had same issue last year or early this year (~
> > > 81K). Well, I posted on this forum but did not hear anything. First of
> > > all, if you are in really cold areas then you may expect some smoke in
> > > the winters. At the start of the winter, it seems to be a lot. Mine
> > > had some bad smoke once when I started to work for 3-4 miles in the
> > > morning (temperatures ~ 25-30 F or -2 to -5 C). I turned around and
> > > went to a mechanic shop. But by then there was no smoke. The mechanic
> > > said it was usual in the winters. If there is any oil that settled and
> > > froze overnight may burn incompletely and give some smoke cold
> > > weather. I did not see much smoke later on. I still keep a watch on
> > > it.
>
> > > After couple of months, all of a sudden my car starting shaking real
> > > bad in a parking lot and then I had issues in the engine. one of the 6
> > > valves had debris/ residue settled in it and was misfiring. It had to
> > > be replaced and costed a bomb (1200$). It could be a completely
> > > independent issue from the smoke but I believe the smoke (if it is too
> > > bad) was an indication of the debris collected. I would get it checked
> > > or atleast have an engine oil flush (100$) which is good for the car
> > > as part of maintenace at a high mileage. I would check with a dealer
> > > and see if it is suggested and get it done at any good oil change
> > > shop. Good luck. Let us know if you found any solutions to your smoke
> > > issue.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Did you have a sound like an exhaust leak or an open turbo waste gate?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> No. I did not have any noise. Not that I could notice.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I do.
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On Jan 13, 10:12 am, audiwri....RemoveThis@comcast.net wrote:
> It is not uncommon for the early 2.7 biturbos to need turbos. Drop the
> under engine cover and you will see the intercoolers. Pull the hoses
> off and check to see if any oil is present. Some oil is normal but if
> there is a lot than the turbos need replacing. The cat converters are
> very efficent and you might not always see excessive amount of smoke.
>
> From 1999 to 2001 when VW was having oil consumption issues with the
> 2.0 we had cars that were documented oil consumers and never saw smoke
> out the tail pipes.
>
> Again why did you go to synthetic oil?  This car is suppose to use
> regular oil. Model year 2004 is when everything swapped over to
> synthetic across the model line.
>
> Have you performed an oil consumption test?
>
> Make sure the oil is at the full mark and write down the exact
> mileage.
>
> Use 4 full tanks of fuel.
>
> Check the oil to see if it is moving.
>
> If it is now monitor after each tank full.
>
> The bottom line is you have to be at exactly 1 quart used on the
> stick.
>
> When you are write down the mileage top off the oil and do it again.
>
> After the second quart now compare the results.
>
> Is the second reading close to the first?
>
> If it is close than that is the consumption to 1 quart of oil.
>
> I wouldn't condem anything until you know exactly what the consumption
> is.
>
> Other posters did mention cold weather start up. Depending on your
> location it is not uncommon to push some smoke because of fuel
> enrichment during cold start up.
>
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 06:15:30 -0800 (PST), Jims Audi
>
>
>
> <14for....RemoveThis@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> >My 2000 audi a6 2.7t just started smoking (real bad) out of both
> >exhaust pipes. It also sounds like the waste gate is partially open
> >(like a small exhaust leak). The oil is 3 weeks old (synthetic 5w 40)
> >as is the filter. I am not getting any engine codes and the car seems
> >to run OK. Not that I took it too far when I saw the smoke. Could it
> >be the turbo? What would cause that to happen? Too lean a fuel
> >mixture? Just age?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Here's the end result.
The serpentine belt was installed wrong when I had the timing belt
changed. It was rubbing on something causing the engine noise. As far
as the synthetic oil, the 2.7t calls for synthetic 5w40 but I was
unable to get that locally so I was using a heavier synthetic. The car
no longer smokes but it has not gotten as cold since that morning
either. Live and learn I guess. The plus is I have found a local
mechanic who works on Audis and is honest.
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It is not uncommon for the early 2.7 biturbos to need turbos. Drop the
under engine cover and you will see the intercoolers. Pull the hoses
off and check to see if any oil is present. Some oil is normal but if
there is a lot than the turbos need replacing. The cat converters are
very efficent and you might not always see excessive amount of smoke.

From 1999 to 2001 when VW was having oil consumption issues with the
2.0 we had cars that were documented oil consumers and never saw smoke
out the tail pipes.

Again why did you go to synthetic oil? This car is suppose to use
regular oil. Model year 2004 is when everything swapped over to
synthetic across the model line.

Have you performed an oil consumption test?

Make sure the oil is at the full mark and write down the exact
mileage.

Use 4 full tanks of fuel.

Check the oil to see if it is moving.

If it is now monitor after each tank full.

The bottom line is you have to be at exactly 1 quart used on the
stick.

When you are write down the mileage top off the oil and do it again.

After the second quart now compare the results.

Is the second reading close to the first?

If it is close than that is the consumption to 1 quart of oil.

I wouldn't condem anything until you know exactly what the consumption
is.

Other posters did mention cold weather start up. Depending on your
location it is not uncommon to push some smoke because of fuel
enrichment during cold start up.



On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 06:15:30 -0800 (PST), Jims Audi
<14forest.RemoveThis@embarqmail.com> wrote:

>My 2000 audi a6 2.7t just started smoking (real bad) out of both
>exhaust pipes. It also sounds like the waste gate is partially open
>(like a small exhaust leak). The oil is 3 weeks old (synthetic 5w 40)
>as is the filter. I am not getting any engine codes and the car seems
>to run OK. Not that I took it too far when I saw the smoke. Could it
>be the turbo? What would cause that to happen? Too lean a fuel
>mixture? Just age?
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