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Tiger1

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:13 pm
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My friend did the Lovecraft conversion last year on his 87 300SDL. He ran
100% WVO... without diesel, his mileage is around 20MPG. With diesel he gets
25MPG. However, I think he needs new injectors as his is way over 200,000
miles.

I filter all the oil for him. I finally got it figured out and I filter to 1
Micron. I can do 30 gallons in about 2 hours liesurely. We collect our own
oil.

I will convert mine soon. We live in Northern NJ. He ran full WVO in 40
degree... he had a bit of hard time to start but once going, he is fine. I
told him repeatedly to fill some regular diesel to thin it out for cold
weather... I think he wants to experiement. We also had a hard time
filtering the oil but I got it all worked out and fast.

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:16 pm
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Today it is $9/gallon in Norway both diesel and Premium
You have to be rich.

rd
"-->> T.G. Lambach <<--" <"T.G. Lambach at NoHamorSpamcomcast.net"> skrev i
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> Today I emerged from our hovel to find diesel at $4.50/gallon and Premium
> gas at $4.10/gallon. And I bought a diesel for economy???
>
> But that was 1980, before the world went insane.
>
> (S.F. Bay Area prices)
> --
>
> © 2008 T.G.Lambach. Publication in any form requires prior written
> permission.

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:16 pm
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But you take crude oil from the North Sea and
refine it, don't you?

RD wrote:
> Today it is $9/gallon in Norway both diesel and Premium
> You have to be rich.
>
> rd
> "-->> T.G. Lambach <<--" <"T.G. Lambach at NoHamorSpamcomcast.net"> skrev i
> melding news:raCdnaSL6I8sGY_VnZ2dnUVZ_v-hnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Today I emerged from our hovel to find diesel at $4.50/gallon and Premium
>> gas at $4.10/gallon. And I bought a diesel for economy???
>>
>> But that was 1980, before the world went insane.
>>
>> (S.F. Bay Area prices)
>> --
>>
>> © 2008 T.G.Lambach. Publication in any form requires prior written
>> permission.
>
>
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:59 pm
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"Tiger" <tiger0002.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> My friend did the Lovecraft conversion last year on his 87 300SDL. He ran
> 100% WVO... without diesel, his mileage is around 20MPG. With diesel he
> gets 25MPG. However, I think he needs new injectors as his is way over
> 200,000 miles.
>
> I filter all the oil for him. I finally got it figured out and I filter to
> 1 Micron. I can do 30 gallons in about 2 hours liesurely. We collect our
> own oil.
>
> I will convert mine soon. We live in Northern NJ. He ran full WVO in 40
> degree... he had a bit of hard time to start but once going, he is fine. I
> told him repeatedly to fill some regular diesel to thin it out for cold
> weather... I think he wants to experiement. We also had a hard time
> filtering the oil but I got it all worked out and fast.

Is there any data on using Kerosene to thin WVO rather than #2 fuel oil? I
would think you would need less?
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:31 pm
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Klark Kent wrote:
> In message news:fuv48a$9ja$1@registered.motzarella.org, Kurt Steinhauser
> <Sorry DeleteThis @nogots.INVALID> burned some brain cells writing:
>
>> Well, out here in the land of soybeans and corn (Midwest) diesel is going
>> for $4.25/gal.
>
> B..b..b..but ... ETHANOL is supposed to Save The World (TM).

Now you've pushed one of my buttons. We have a taxpayer subsidized ethanol
plant in Washington state that does absolutely nothing to mitigate the high
price of fuel here because every drop produced is sold in Asia. This is
just socialism at a corporate level at consumer expense.
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:57 pm
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JD wrote:

>>> Well, out here in the land of soybeans and corn (Midwest) diesel is
>>> going for $4.25/gal.
>>
>> B..b..b..but ... ETHANOL is supposed to Save The World (TM).
>
> Now you've pushed one of my buttons. We have a taxpayer subsidized
> ethanol plant in Washington state that does absolutely nothing to
> mitigate the high price of fuel here because every drop produced is sold
> in Asia. This is just socialism at a corporate level at consumer expense.

Welcome to the Real-political world. Corporate welfare has been around
for a long while. It's the CEO's and not the working mothers that has
been pulling at Washington hind teat.

Chip
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:16 pm
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Kerosene is number 1 diesel which is used in winter. It is thinner than the
summer blend. They are in same family... I think kerosene is further
processed so not so smelly.
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:00 pm
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"Tiger" <tiger0002 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Kerosene is number 1 diesel which is used in winter. It is thinner than
> the summer blend. They are in same family... I think kerosene is further
> processed so not so smelly.

Right, but does it mix well with WVO? I would think you would need less
Kerosene to get a start the Diesel? Just a thought.
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:20 am
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:44 am
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On Apr 30, 9:38 am, "Tiger" <tiger0... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, they mix well regardless if it is Kerosene, Diesel #1 or Diesel #2
> (summer).
>
> I wouldn't know but I think costwise is not effective as Kerosene is just as
> expensive.

Kerosene is more expensive, but you need less of it to reduce the
viscosity of the mixture. So prices, and the temperature are the
variables that it will depend on. people also cut WVO with gasoline to
thin it out. Chea[er, and quite thin. You have to use the cheap stuff.
Do not use anything but cheap gasoline, and never more than 15% in
your mix. Some will actually let the gasoline go stale and drop in
octane so it will burn better. There is loads about it on the
biodiesel.infopop forum. Go into the blending section of the forum.
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:30 am
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jdoe wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:53:45 -0700, RF <jvhealey RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> But you take crude oil from the North Sea and
>> refine it, don't you?
> when are you guys going to get it? the differences in the price of
> fuel is not caused by differences in the price of oil, oil costs the
> same for all countries that import oil, the differences in prices is
> caused by government imposed taxes on fuel, norway has a huge social
> service, womb to tomb care, free education all funded by taxes on fuel
> __________________________________________
> Never argue with an idiot.
> They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Since Norway is a democracy, the inhabitants must
approve of their governments
and the oil prices. Public transport serves most
of the public and those with deep
pockets pay an extra subsidy for their oil. That's
the way the majority of the people like it.
America is not a democracy. The corps and the
fatcats hire lobbyists to make sure it stays that way.
____________________________________________
Idiots always argue.The Intelligents discuss.
Republicans are greedy and resent every penny
spent, unless it's on themselves.
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:37 am
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jdoe wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:53:45 -0700, RF wrote:
>
>> But you take crude oil from the North Sea and
>> refine it, don't you?
> when are you guys going to get it? the differences in the price of
> fuel is not caused by differences in the price of oil, oil costs the
> same for all countries that import oil, the differences in prices is
> caused by government imposed taxes on fuel, norway has a huge social
> service, womb to tomb care, free education all funded by taxes on fuel
> __________________________________________
> Never argue with an idiot.
> They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Since Norway is a democracy, the inhabitants must
approve of their governments
and the oil prices. Public transport serves most
of the public and those with deep
pockets pay an extra subsidy for their oil. That's
the way the majority of the people like it.
America is not a democracy. The corps and the
fatcats hire lobbyists to make sure it stays that way.
____________________________________________
Idiots always argue.The Intelligents discuss.
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:38 am
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Yes, they mix well regardless if it is Kerosene, Diesel #1 or Diesel #2
(summer).

I wouldn't know but I think costwise is not effective as Kerosene is just as
expensive.
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:37 am
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On Apr 30, 11:55 am, Bruce <n....TakeThisOut@nospam.net> wrote:
> RF <R....TakeThisOut@NoDen.con> wrote:
>
> >America is not a democracy. The corps and the
> >fatcats hire lobbyists to make sure it stays that way.
>
> Vote Obama, because he will change all that.
>
> Yeah, right!

And I suppose there is no political influence, lobbying, corruption
etc in the great land of Norway. LOL
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:58 am
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On Apr 30, 1:51 pm, Bruce <n....TakeThisOut@nospam.net> wrote:
> "trad...@optonline.net" <trad....TakeThisOut@optonline.net> wrote:
> >On Apr 30, 11:55 am, Bruce <n....TakeThisOut@nospam.net> wrote:
> >> RF <R....TakeThisOut@NoDen.con> wrote:
>
> >> >America is not a democracy. The corps and the
> >> >fatcats hire lobbyists to make sure it stays that way.
>
> >> Vote Obama, because he will change all that.
>
> >> Yeah, right!
>
> >And I suppose there is no political influence, lobbying, corruption
> >etc in the great land of Norway.   LOL
>
> Of course there is, but not on anything like the scale of the USA,
> where the corporate and Jewish lobbies routinely subvert democracy and
> skew foreign policy.
>

And now your anti-semitic side comes out. According to you, America
is on it's knees. Just remember that next time Europe needs some
heavy lifting again. BTW, if Europe is so all mighty, how come the
weak old USA had to do the heavy lifting for you as recently as the
Balkans? Seems as usual, you couldn't even handle that little
pissant of a problem.





> Obama says he wants to change all that.  If he does manage some minor
> change, I suspect that he will only replace one type of influence with
> another.  If he did show any signs of achieving real change, one or
> two bullets in the head would soon put a stop to that.
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