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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:29 pm
Post subject: Wow, I don't believe the US patent office awarded a patent to a generalization of electrolyte
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To someone with bogus invention like this one. There is no specific mention of material used in his electrolysis. I bet the patent office doesn't have an engineer to verify whether or not the invention is working. For example like the flaw, it's related to the problem that Coast to Coast tester mentionned earlier last week, he was having problem with Oxygen Sensor and "Engine light came on."
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The operation of the vehicle's oxygen sensor needs to be adjusted to take into account the additional
oxygen that is added to the fuel system from the electrolyzer. Normally, if the oxygen sensor senses more oxygen, the vehicle's computer would determine that the engine is running lean and open up the fuel injectors to a richer fuel mixture. This is
undesirable and would cause poor fuel economy:
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7191737/fulltext.html |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:36 pm
Post subject: Re: Wow, I don't believe the US patent office awarded a patent to a generalization of electrolyte [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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>"Kadaitcha Man" <pummelling.milk.trays.RemoveThis@alt.pets.ferrets.denuded-slit.net.china> wrote in message >news:rcCdnU6A3NCuPR7VnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@posted.toastnet...
>To someone with bogus invention like this one. There is no specific mention of material used in his >electrolysis. I bet the patent office doesn't have an engineer to verify whether or not the invention is >working. For example like the flaw, it's related to the problem that Coast to Coast tester mentionned >earlier last week, he was having problem with Oxygen Sensor and "Engine light came on."
>-------The inventor's wording below:
>The operation of the vehicle's oxygen sensor needs to be adjusted to take into account the additional
>oxygen that is added to the fuel system from the electrolyzer. Normally, if the oxygen sensor senses >more oxygen, the vehicle's computer would determine that the engine is running lean and open up the >fuel injectors to a richer fuel mixture. This is
>undesirable and would cause poor fuel economy:
>http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7191737/fulltext.html
The inventor said he used metal for electrodes.......Heehee.... of course you have to use conductive materials in order to carry the current through the water. That's too general term! |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:01 pm
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:06 pm
Post subject: Re: Wow, I don't believe the US patent office awarded a patent to [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Kadaitcha Man wrote:
>> "Kadaitcha Man" <pummelling.milk.trays.DeleteThis@alt.pets.ferrets.denuded-slit.net.china> wrote in message >news:rcCdnU6A3NCuPR7VnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@posted.toastnet...
>> To someone with bogus invention like this one. There is no specific mention of material used in his >electrolysis. I bet the patent office doesn't have an engineer to verify whether or not the invention is >working. For example like the flaw, it's related to the problem that Coast to Coast tester mentionned >earlier last week, he was having problem with Oxygen Sensor and "Engine light came on."
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>> -------The inventor's wording below:
>> The operation of the vehicle's oxygen sensor needs to be adjusted to take into account the additional
>> oxygen that is added to the fuel system from the electrolyzer. Normally, if the oxygen sensor senses >more oxygen, the vehicle's computer would determine that the engine is running lean and open up the >fuel injectors to a richer fuel mixture. This is
>> undesirable and would cause poor fuel economy:
>> http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7191737/fulltext.html
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> The inventor said he used metal for electrodes.......Heehee.... of course you have to use conductive materials in order to carry the current through the water. That's too general term!
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The point these epsilon minussses miss is that ANY electrolysis
electrode metal other than platinized platinum will have an overvoltage
associated with it that TOTALLY TRASHES the efficiency at higher currents.
Details in any electrochem book. The Handbook of Physics has a good
summary table.
Platinized platinum requires renewal every few weeks in a costly process.
Stainless steel is particularly bad with its double whammy of a high
hydrogen overvoltage of iron and its low energy passivated surface.
http://www.tinaja.com/glib/trashec.pdf
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Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:02 pm
Post subject: Re: Wow, I don't believe the US patent office awarded a patent to a generalization of electrolyte [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Don Lancaster" <don DeleteThis @tinaja.com> wrote in message news:6ei1vmF6v22mU1@mid.individual.net...
> Kadaitcha Man wrote:
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>> The operation of the vehicle's oxygen sensor needs to be adjusted to take into account the additional
>> oxygen that is added to the fuel system from the electrolyzer.
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> This, of course, is a felony in the US, thanks to the EPA.
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> http://www.tinaja.com/glib/trashelc.pdf
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> Many thanks,
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> Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
> Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
> rss: http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xml email: don DeleteThis @tinaja.com
> Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
Wow! yes thanks to EPA but they are still ignoring it, or maybe they don't know. I'm surprised that people allow unreliable device into their cars, maybe they are too excited to see bubbles. I didn't know that they fool around Oxygen sensors until I heard the complaint from the Water4Gas tester on Coast-2-coast. >> Stay informed about: Wow, I don't believe the US patent office awarded a patent.. |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:28 pm
Post subject: Re: Wow, I don't believe the US patent office awarded a patent to a generalization of electrolyte [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:29:07 -0700, "Kadaitcha Man"
<pummelling.milk.trays.RemoveThis@alt.pets.ferrets.denuded-slit.net.china> wrote:
>To someone with bogus invention like this one.
>There is no specific mention of material used in his electrolysis.
> I bet the patent office doesn't have an engineer to verify
>whether or not the invention is working.
No patent needs to actually function as intended (most don't and are
worthless [1]). The only function you can't claim is perpetual motion.
All it does is stop someone else doing (or fail to do) it EXACTLY the
same.
>For example like the flaw, it's related to the problem that
>Coast to Coast tester mentionned earlier last week,
>he was having problem with Oxygen Sensor and
>"Engine light came on."
>
>-------
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>The operation of the vehicle's oxygen sensor needs
>to be adjusted to take into account the additional
>oxygen that is added to the fuel system from the electrolyzer.
> Normally, if the oxygen sensor senses more oxygen,
>the vehicle's computer would determine that the engine
>is running lean and open up the fuel injectors to a richer fuel mixture.
>This is undesirable and would cause poor fuel economy:
>
>http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7191737/fulltext.html
Patents can always be got round or over. How many different office
staplers are there? Everyone has it's own patent.
The problem probably isn't extra oxygen. It's the extra fuel. Air
metering systems based on pressure density (use a map sensor) can't
tell difference between air and HH0 so fuel gets added to burn the H2
portion of the gas which it can't.
[1] like this one - based on ZERO losses in transferring of gas from
compression cylinder to power cylinder.
http://www.scuderigroup.com/patent/pdf/US6543225.pdf
Having found that passage though the valves and transfer chamber
requires work and the gas can't flow fast enough, they are now running
round like headless chickens to slow that process down. So they came
up with this one.
http://www.scuderigroup.com/patent/pdf/US7121236.pdf
Cam guided big end will hammer itself to bits in a few 100's of revs.
That's assuming they can actually link the 2 halves of the crank
together well enough to stop the whole lot twisting and jamming on the
first stroke. I think the USA DoD has been taken for $1.2million and
other private investors will lose their shirts. Whoo $15m.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2006_August_15/ai_n26958623
A bunch of professional patent lawyers make the HHO scammers look like
the low ranking amateurs they are.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:28 pm
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Wow, I don't believe the US patent office awarded a patent to a generalization of electrolyte [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Peter Hill" <peter.usenet1 RemoveThis @nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:pv2c84dlto43ev199m5v30i861q0otvi13@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:29:07 -0700, "Kadaitcha Man"
> <pummelling.milk.trays RemoveThis @alt.pets.ferrets.denuded-slit.net.china> wrote:
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>>To someone with bogus invention like this one.
>>There is no specific mention of material used in his electrolysis.
>> I bet the patent office doesn't have an engineer to verify
>>whether or not the invention is working.
>
> No patent needs to actually function as intended (most don't and are
> worthless [1]). The only function you can't claim is perpetual motion.
> All it does is stop someone else doing (or fail to do) it EXACTLY the
> same.
>
>>For example like the flaw, it's related to the problem that
>>Coast to Coast tester mentionned earlier last week,
>>he was having problem with Oxygen Sensor and
>>"Engine light came on."
>>
>>-------
>>
>>The operation of the vehicle's oxygen sensor needs
>>to be adjusted to take into account the additional
>>oxygen that is added to the fuel system from the electrolyzer.
>> Normally, if the oxygen sensor senses more oxygen,
>>the vehicle's computer would determine that the engine
>>is running lean and open up the fuel injectors to a richer fuel mixture.
>>This is undesirable and would cause poor fuel economy:
>>
>>http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7191737/fulltext.html
>
> Patents can always be got round or over. How many different office
> staplers are there? Everyone has it's own patent.
True, many scraps got its own patents.
> The problem probably isn't extra oxygen. It's the extra fuel. Air
> metering systems based on pressure density (use a map sensor) can't
> tell difference between air and HH0 so fuel gets added to burn the H2
> portion of the gas which it can't.
How do you know if the theory is true? This is only happening in the mind of the goofy inventor. I bet the water vaper (H2O) is the main problem, the computer is not seeing it, because you put your HHO gas tube behind Oxygen sensor, I saw it in the assembly. So how can you blame on the Oxygen sensor any way? Oh I see, that's the way you tweak the sensor by blindfolding it? so it doesn't know what's going on? If that's true then the computer should not be blamed for additional fuel injection. Where is the logic man?
> [1] like this one - based on ZERO losses in transferring of gas from
> compression cylinder to power cylinder.
> http://www.scuderigroup.com/patent/pdf/US6543225.pdf
> Having found that passage though the valves and transfer chamber
> requires work and the gas can't flow fast enough, they are now running
> round like headless chickens to slow that process down. So they came
> up with this one.
> http://www.scuderigroup.com/patent/pdf/US7121236.pdf
> Cam guided big end will hammer itself to bits in a few 100's of revs.
> That's assuming they can actually link the 2 halves of the crank
> together well enough to stop the whole lot twisting and jamming on the
> first stroke. I think the USA DoD has been taken for $1.2million and
> other private investors will lose their shirts. Whoo $15m.
> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2006_August_15/ai_n26958623
> A bunch of professional patent lawyers make the HHO scammers look like
> the low ranking amateurs they are.
> --
> Peter Hill
> Spamtrap reply domain as per NNTP-Posting-Host in header
> Can of worms - what every fisherman wants.
> Can of worms - what every PC owner gets! >> Stay informed about: Wow, I don't believe the US patent office awarded a patent.. |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:27 pm
Post subject: Re: Wow, I don't believe the US patent office awarded a patent to a generalization of electrolyte [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Don Lancaster" <don.DeleteThis@tinaja.com> wrote in message news:48861F28.4040801@tinaja.com...
> Peter Hill wrote:
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>>> The operation of the vehicle's oxygen sensor needs
>>> to be adjusted to take into account the additional
>>> oxygen that is added to the fuel system from the electrolyzer.
>
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> The EPA, of course, has made doing this a felony.
> http://www.tinaja.com/glib/trashelc.pdf
> Many thanks,
> Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
> Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
> rss: http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xml email: don.DeleteThis@tinaja.com
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> Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
I think it depends on whether or not you can pass the smog test. If the car computer complains then yes, it won't pass the smog test, and it's a felony. >> Stay informed about: Wow, I don't believe the US patent office awarded a patent.. |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:30 pm
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"Screen Barret" <ScreenBarret)oo@aol.com> wrote in message news:QuGdnfxinNAVUhvVnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@posted.toastnet...
"Don Lancaster" <don DeleteThis @tinaja.com> wrote in message news:48861F28.4040801@tinaja.com...
> Peter Hill wrote:
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>>> The operation of the vehicle's oxygen sensor needs
>>> to be adjusted to take into account the additional
>>> oxygen that is added to the fuel system from the electrolyzer.
>
>
> The EPA, of course, has made doing this a felony.
> http://www.tinaja.com/glib/trashelc.pdf
> Many thanks,
> Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
> Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
> rss: http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xml email: don DeleteThis @tinaja.com
>
> Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
>I think it depends on whether or not you can pass the smog test. If the car computer complains then >yes, it won't pass the smog test, and it's a felony.
Actually the computer did complain, accordoing to the tester on coast-2-coast. He said the engine light came on "Check your engine" this is bad....very bad... I can't believe Water4Gas went too far with their commercial. >> Stay informed about: Wow, I don't believe the US patent office awarded a patent.. |
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