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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:05 pm
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There is some urban motorsports going on...

Of course there is simple car drag racing that simply tests acceleration of
two cars side-by-side with end of run speeds likely under 80 mph

And sport bikes (motorcycles that could be raced with just a few
modifications) are going hard acceleration and very high speed on city
interstate highways. Often the police just tail along behind with blue
lights off because there are a lot of high speed fatal crashes...

Now very high speed is not fundamental to racing. It's vehicle control that
is fundametnal to racing. Vehicle control that is practiced at 30 to 50 mph
applies to vehicle control at higher speeds. And all racers have first
learned or practiced vehicle control at 30 to 50 mph before going on to more
serious situations...

Of course now we need a track...

But amateur sports car racing is available, club motorcycle racing is
available, and racing schools are available.

So we might not need a metro track that is simply available to the
public...but consider the idea. But we certainly need a metro track that is
available at low cost to sanctioning bodies.

Well consider the 3/8 mile paved oval. The 3/8 mile oval is not that
significant because the wide line out of the corner is just about the
turn-in to the next corner. It likes going around in a big circle in a big
traffic jam. But it's hard in the corner and makes it's point. Often they
are called bowls...

Then the 5/8 mile paved oval is truely significant. A 4-cyclinder midget
race car would exit onto the straight out of the corner at about 110 mph,
hit 130 mph at the end of the straight, back off and turn in to the next
corner at about 110 mph, have a mid corner speed of about 90 mph, and then
exit onto the next straight at about 110 mph. Got the pattern ? Well it's
more than a pattern it's real world difficult endeavor in a rock hard
world...

Of course the 5/8 mile paved oval is often in the actual metro...in metros
that are actually motorsports oriented.

And now you get it that the 1 mile paved oval is very significant. Actually
the 1 mile clay oval is also very significant...

But how about a sports car track (called road courses) that is not much
bigger than the 5/8 mile oval...and thus very metro-like.

Sure I often draw a five turn road course. (Now oval racers call a 180
degree turn as two turns while sports car racers call it one turn.) And the
following five turn road course is a little different from the ones that I
usually draw but every mathematical detail is worked out for this example:

First there is a 1015.9' straight, then a 90 degree 200' radius curve to the
right, next a 300' straight, then a 70 degree 214.22' radius curve to the
right, next a 300' straight, then a 90 degree 150' radius curve to the
right, next a 290.85' straight, then a 70 degree 214.22' radius curve to the
left, next a 300' straight, and finally a 180 degree 150' radius curve to
the right.

And the total length of this track is 3,751.21 feet or about 0.71 miles...

Of course a 4-cylinder midget race car (open-wheel single-seat roll-cage
car) could race on this track if the cars were not set up only for left hand
ovals. And SCCA SSB race cars (showroom stock with roll cages and optional
suspensions) could race very well on this track. Finally motorcycle sport
bikes could race or run on this track although the straight might be a too
long for the powerful motorcycles...and in that case a chicane is often
added half way down the straight

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 1:57 pm
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PolicySpy wrote:

First there is a 1015.9' straight, then a 90 degree 200' radius curve to the
right, next a 300' straight, then a 70 degree 214.22' radius curve to the
right, next a 300' straight, then a 90 degree 150' radius curve to the
right, next a 290.85' straight, then a 70 degree 214.22' radius curve to the
left, next a 300' straight, and finally a 180 degree 150' radius curve to
the right.

And the total length of this track is 3,751.21 feet or about 0.71 miles...


Alexey wrote:

> The problem for bikes is not the course layout, but lack of run-off.
> You can make that straight as long as you want, but you gotta have a
> decent amount of gravel or paved open space at the end of it. This is
> different from what cars need. The smaller you make the track, the
> greater is the percentile disparity between how much space bikes and
> cars require. A 0.72 mile track is not very fun for modern
> sportbikes. It would probably work much better as a supermoto track,
> provided sufficient runoff.


PolicySpy wrote:

Sure but tracks don't have much run-off area at the end of the straight. And
that leads to a design of a fast turn at the end of the straight rather than
a slow turn at the end of the straight. But both designs are popular...with
the first design there is a fast turn to catch the speed and with the second
design there is a slow turn to make the end of the straight obvious.

But this five turn road course could be laid out in a parking lot and be a
faster and more practical course than a sports car slalom course. Then
there's run-off everywhere and the public could make runs one vehicle at a
time...

Or this five turn road course could be a permanent track that is affordable
to build...like the 5/8 mile oval.

And the point is a five-turn road course that is one mile or less in length.
So the shorter straights could be lengthened anywhere two turns rush
together too much.

But a 7/10 of a mile track is not much fun for a sportbike ? Well, turns 2,
2A, 3, and 4 at Sears Point are not high speed turns but are okay with sport
bikes...

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:44 pm
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>
> But how about a sports car track (called road courses) that is not much
> bigger than the 5/8 mile oval...and thus very metro-like.
>
> Sure I often draw a five turn road course. (Now oval racers call a 180
> degree turn as two turns while sports car racers call it one turn.) And
> the following five turn road course is a little different from the ones
> that I usually draw but every mathematical detail is worked out for this
> example:
>
> First there is a 1015.9' straight, then a 90 degree 200' radius curve to
> the right, next a 300' straight, then a 70 degree 214.22' radius curve to
> the right, next a 300' straight, then a 90 degree 150' radius curve to the
> right, next a 290.85' straight, then a 70 degree 214.22' radius curve to
> the left, next a 300' straight, and finally a 180 degree 150' radius curve
> to the right.
>
> And the total length of this track is 3,751.21 feet or about 0.71 miles...
>

Now I call turn one "Reverse Indy", turn two "The Breakaway", turn three
"The Sneaker", turn four "The Left", and turn five "The Bowl"...
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