UAW inflexible on concessions...

On Dec 24, 1:19 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru... RemoveThis @e86.GTS> wrote:
> Morons. The companies are about to go down the tubes but the union leaders
> refuse to give anything back. As a matter of fact, they're asking for more.
>
> The auto industry in this country should be allowed to go down the tubes.
> Then they can restart with workers who realize having a job at an OK pay
> rate is better than having NO job at Union scale...
>
> How stupid can you be?


The UAW will wind up with 100% of nothing rather than 60% of
something.

Most Americans will NOT support further bailouts for failures
http://tinyurl.com/8g47ef
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On Dec 24, 4:19 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru... RemoveThis @e86.GTS> wrote:
> Morons. The companies are about to go down the tubes but the union leaders
> refuse to give anything back. As a matter of fact, they're asking for more.
>
> The auto industry in this country should be allowed to go down the tubes.
> Then they can restart with workers who realize having a job at an OK pay
> rate is better than having NO job at Union scale...
>
> How stupid can you be?

DUH! Wall Street already pissed away $350bn and won't tell anyone
what they did with it.
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On Dec 24, 1:25 pm, "Elle" <honda.lion... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru... RemoveThis @e86.GTS> wrote
>
> > Morons. The companies are about to go down the tubes but
> > the union leaders
> > refuse to give anything back. As a matter of fact, they're
> > asking for more.
>
> > The auto industry in this country should be allowed to go
> > down the tubes.
> > Then they can restart with workers who realize having a
> > job at an OK pay
> > rate is better than having NO job at Union scale...
>
> > How stupid can you be?
>
> Stupid enough not to consider that bankruptcy may actually
> payoff better for the unions via government guarantees on
> pensions and unemployment insurance?

Actually, there are strict limits on what the government will
guarantee for pensions. And I doubt that auto workers will get any
more unemployment than an office worker or other worker.

Jeff
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"Jeff" <jeff.utz.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote
On Dec 24, 1:25 pm, "Elle" <honda.lion....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru....TakeThisOut@e86.GTS> wrote
>
> > Morons. The companies are about to go down the tubes but
> > the union leaders
> > refuse to give anything back. As a matter of fact,
> > they're
> > asking for more.
>
> > The auto industry in this country should be allowed to
> > go
> > down the tubes.
> > Then they can restart with workers who realize having a
> > job at an OK pay
> > rate is better than having NO job at Union scale...
>
> > How stupid can you be?
>
> Stupid enough not to consider that bankruptcy may actually
> payoff better for the unions via government guarantees on
> pensions and unemployment insurance?

Actually, there are strict limits on what the government
will
guarantee for pensions. And I doubt that auto workers will
get any
more unemployment than an office worker or other worker.
----

Are you saying the unions are not negotiating on the basis
of what they get if GM yada go bankrupt? I have far more
confidence that the OP is the negligent one here.
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On Dec 24, 3:39 pm, "edspyhil...@yahoo.com" <edspyhil....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Dec 24, 4:19 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru....TakeThisOut@e86.GTS> wrote:
>
> > Morons. The companies are about to go down the tubes but the union leaders
> > refuse to give anything back. As a matter of fact, they're asking for more.
>
> > The auto industry in this country should be allowed to go down the tubes.
> > Then they can restart with workers who realize having a job at an OK pay
> > rate is better than having NO job at Union scale...
>
> > How stupid can you be?
>
> DUH! Wall Street already pissed away $350bn and won't tell anyone
> what they did with it.

Actually, from the sound of it, it is even more stupid: Wall Street
doesn't know what it did with it.

Jeff
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=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno.RemoveThis@e86.GTS>,
12/24/2008,4:19:47 PM, wrote:

> Morons. The companies are about to go down the tubes but the union
> leaders refuse to give anything back. As a matter of fact, they're
> asking for more.
>
> The auto industry in this country should be allowed to go down the
> tubes. Then they can restart with workers who realize having a job
> at an OK pay rate is better than having NO job at Union scale...
>
> How stupid can you be?

The unions should be giving loans from the pension funds to the
automakers in exchange for stock. They need to have a vested interest
in the survival of the corporations.
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:27:18 +0000 (UTC), "badgolferman"
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno.RemoveThis@e86.GTS>,
>12/24/2008,4:19:47 PM, wrote:
>
>> Morons. The companies are about to go down the tubes but the union
>> leaders refuse to give anything back. As a matter of fact, they're
>> asking for more.
>>
>> The auto industry in this country should be allowed to go down the
>> tubes. Then they can restart with workers who realize having a job
>> at an OK pay rate is better than having NO job at Union scale...
>>
>> How stupid can you be?
>
>The unions should be giving loans from the pension funds to the
>automakers in exchange for stock. They need to have a vested interest
>in the survival of the corporations.

The UAW has nothing to do with the pension funds.
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On Dec 24, 3:19 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru....DeleteThis@e86.GTS> wrote:
> Morons. The companies are about to go down the tubes but the union leaders
> refuse to give anything back. As a matter of fact, they're asking for more.
>
> The auto industry in this country should be allowed to go down the tubes.
> Then they can restart with workers who realize having a job at an OK pay
> rate is better than having NO job at Union scale...
>
> How stupid can you be?

If I remember right Chrysler got price reductions from management,
labor and Suppliers, and paid the loan off before it was due. They
even put out a breakthrough #1 selling vehicle, the mini van, that
made it all work. Now they fly in with Jets, and say "its not our
fault" . The real point is this money wont last more than my frozen
pizza and they will need more from you early next year. Are you going
to buy a 40,000$ chevy volt that might get 10 miles at 0f with gas
under 2 bucks, with a battery technology that so far lasts 2-3 years,
nobody will. As folks now looking to buy a new car their stupidy makes
buyers not want to risk buying a car from a company that may not be
there in a few years, kinda self fullfilling, go broke because of
greed. Let them go under. Ford is not asking for a bailout. Their
advertising for years made me puke, it was always "Horsepower" now
they are toting just highway milage ratings which in my city you dont
ever get, even on the highway its a dream. That is out of touch with
reality, and bs people see through. I bet they are bailed out, and
should not be.
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<edspyhill01.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:2f80b438-5069-48b1-bb9c-
> DUH! Wall Street already pissed away $350bn and won't tell anyone
> what they did with it.
>

I dont guess that was Wall Street, but more likely the banking and (very
related)
insurance sector.

Now you see it, now you dont.,
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:39:12 -0800, edspyhill01.RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote:

> On Dec 24, 4:19 pm, Hachiroku ��ロク <Tru....RemoveThis@e86.GTS> wrote:
>> Morons. The companies are about to go down the tubes but the union leaders
>> refuse to give anything back. As a matter of fact, they're asking for more.
>>
>> The auto industry in this country should be allowed to go down the tubes.
>> Then they can restart with workers who realize having a job at an OK pay
>> rate is better than having NO job at Union scale...
>>
>> How stupid can you be?
>
> DUH! Wall Street already pissed away $350bn and won't tell anyone
> what they did with it.


WTF does that have to do with the UAW?
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:27:27 -0800, Jim Higgins wrote:

> On Dec 24, 1:19 pm, Hachiroku ��ロク <Tru... DeleteThis @e86.GTS> wrote:
>> Morons. The companies are about to go down the tubes but the union leaders
>> refuse to give anything back. As a matter of fact, they're asking for more.
>>
>> The auto industry in this country should be allowed to go down the tubes.
>> Then they can restart with workers who realize having a job at an OK pay
>> rate is better than having NO job at Union scale...
>>
>> How stupid can you be?
>
>
> The UAW will wind up with 100% of nothing rather than 60% of
> something.

Indeed. But like most unions, they squeeze more and more until there's
less and less.

The large corporation I was working for got in trouble once, and though we
didn't give anything back, the union leaders didn't ask for anything,
either. The die-hard rank-and-file said he was 'sleeping with the company'
but those of us that actually had some brains were glad to keep working.

I was accused of being a 'company man' one time. I looked at the guy and
said, "Someone has to."



>
> Most Americans will NOT support further bailouts for failures
> http://tinyurl.com/8g47ef
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:27:18 +0000, badgolferman wrote:

> =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno.RemoveThis@e86.GTS>,
> 12/24/2008,4:19:47 PM, wrote:
>
>> Morons. The companies are about to go down the tubes but the union
>> leaders refuse to give anything back. As a matter of fact, they're
>> asking for more.
>>
>> The auto industry in this country should be allowed to go down the
>> tubes. Then they can restart with workers who realize having a job
>> at an OK pay rate is better than having NO job at Union scale...
>>
>> How stupid can you be?
>
> The unions should be giving loans from the pension funds to the
> automakers in exchange for stock. They need to have a vested interest
> in the survival of the corporations.

LOL! That's going to happen!!
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:25:38 -0700, Elle wrote:

> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno DeleteThis @e86.GTS> wrote
>> Morons. The companies are about to go down the tubes but
>> the union leaders
>> refuse to give anything back. As a matter of fact, they're
>> asking for more.
>>
>> The auto industry in this country should be allowed to go
>> down the tubes.
>> Then they can restart with workers who realize having a
>> job at an OK pay
>> rate is better than having NO job at Union scale...
>>
>> How stupid can you be?
>
> Stupid enough not to consider that bankruptcy may actually
> payoff better for the unions via government guarantees on
> pensions and unemployment insurance?

And no job. Great. Makes a lot of sense.

You're a union member, aren't you? I can tell.
If you can't squeeze the company, you'll squeeze the government.
Wouldn't you rather keep working?
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