Timing belt question.

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 >> Stay informed about: Timing belt question. 

"karinhall" <ah.RemoveThis@nsdap.com> wrote in
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>
> "Tegger" <tegger.RemoveThis@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns9905BDFDB59F0tegger@207.14.116.130...

>>
>>
>>
>> Your stepson's engine, like just about every Honda engine ever built,
>> is a valve-bender.
>>
>
>
> Tegger, is this true of the 2002 RL 3.5 engine? An interference
> engine?


Yes.


> Attachment decoded: untitled-1.txt


Why do you post in HTML?



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 >> Stay informed about: Timing belt question. 

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 >> Stay informed about: Timing belt question. 

Unfortunately so:

http://www.gates.com/landing/import/partlocator.cfm?location_id=510

Ken

--
"Now Phoebe Snow direct can go
from thirty-third to Buffalo.
From Broadway bright the tubes run right
Into the Road of Anthracite"
Erie Lackawanna



"Squire" <rhfrist.RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> My stepson has a '99 TL with about 108,0000 miles on the odometer. I
> keep after him to have the timing belt replaced. My question: Is the
> Acura engine one of those where several valves are broken when the
> timing belt goes or is the worst that can happen is that it will have
> to be towed? Also, should the water pump be replaced as well at this
> milage? Your comments will be appreciated.
>
 >> Stay informed about: Timing belt question. 

"NJ Vike" <ErieLackawanna DeleteThis @Scranton.com> wrote in message
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> Unfortunately so:
>
> http://www.gates.com/landing/import/partlocator.cfm?location_id=510
>

Oddly, there are some definitely non-interference engines that Gates lists
as interference. The Volvo B230 is non-interference in all versions. In this
case I'm sure it's correct.

Mike
 >> Stay informed about: Timing belt question. 

You're right about the logic of replacing a $60 waterpump. Unfortunately
it's more like $123 for the pump plus labor plus all the associated belts,
fittings, etc. from my Dlr. and so it all ends up a lot closer to a grand
than to $500. Yes, it is a calculated risk to skip the WP but it's not such
a no-brainer when looking at spending $200+ to "maybe" save $300 sometime
later on. I'm still debating.

FWIW, it looks to me like your posts are in text and not HTML.



"Tegger" <tegger.TakeThisOut@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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> "Squire" <rhfrist.TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote in news:1175461402.312537.84310
> @n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>
>> My stepson has a '99 TL with about 108,0000 miles on the odometer. I
>> keep after him to have the timing belt replaced. My question: Is the
>> Acura engine one of those where several valves are broken when the
>> timing belt goes or is the worst that can happen is that it will have
>> to be towed? Also, should the water pump be replaced as well at this
>> milage? Your comments will be appreciated.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Your stepson's engine, like just about every Honda engine ever built, is a
> valve-bender.
>
> Honda's quality control is such that the belt will travel somewhat further
> before breaking than its specified replacement interval, but it's unwise
> to
> tempt fate.
>
> It is also not a given that the valves will get damaged when the belt
> breaks. Occasionally people get lucky and no major harm is done. The odds
> are rather against you, though.
>
> Valve damage repair can run into the thousands. It would be frankly stupid
> to delay a $500 invoice in order to risk a $3,000 one.
>
> The water pump should be replaced at the same time as the timing belt.
> It's
> only $60, but you have to take everything else apart to get to it. Do you
> really want to save $60 now, then spend another $200 in labor later to
> replace it when it starts leaking or making noise? Besides, the water pump
> is turned by the timing belt. If the pump should seize, it will tear up
> the
> timing belt and give you the aforementioned $3,000 valve repair bill.
>
> There is such a thing as "false economy". Do not fall prey to the
> temptations of false economy.
>
> --
> Tegger
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
 >> Stay informed about: Timing belt question. 

I have seen some discrepancies.

Ken

--
"Now Phoebe Snow direct can go
from thirty-third to Buffalo.
From Broadway bright the tubes run right
Into the Road of Anthracite"
Erie - Lackawanna



"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull.RemoveThis@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
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> "NJ Vike" <ErieLackawanna.RemoveThis@Scranton.com> wrote in message
> news:eAUQh.19546$tD2.3458@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> Unfortunately so:
>>
>> http://www.gates.com/landing/import/partlocator.cfm?location_id=510
>>
>
> Oddly, there are some definitely non-interference engines that Gates lists
> as interference. The Volvo B230 is non-interference in all versions. In
> this case I'm sure it's correct.
>
> Mike
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Timing belt question. 

"karinhall" <ah.TakeThisOut@nsdap.com> wrote in
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>>> Attachment decoded: untitled-1.txt
>>
>>
>> Why do you post in HTML?
>>

>>
> Didn't know I was posting in HTML. My <Tools> <Options> <Send> box is
> checked for Plain Text in the <News Sending Format> box. ???
> Attachment decoded: untitled-1.txt
>



Frickin' MicroSquash... <grumble>


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"Sandy" <sbeech6.TakeThisOut@nospamcox.net> wrote in message
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> You're right about the logic of replacing a $60 waterpump. Unfortunately
> it's more like $123 for the pump plus labor plus all the associated belts,
> fittings, etc. from my Dlr. and so it all ends up a lot closer to a grand
> than to $500. Yes, it is a calculated risk to skip the WP but it's not
> such a no-brainer when looking at spending $200+ to "maybe" save $300
> sometime later on. I'm still debating.
>

I think you are underestimating the costs of water pump failure. If the pump
has to be replaced in the future, it will cost as much then as doing the
whole smash now; what you spend now will be for naught. If the pump seizes
(fortunately rather rare in Honda products) it will strip the timing belt
and wreck the engine. The choice is yours, but I recommend doing the pump.

Mike
 >> Stay informed about: Timing belt question. 

Hmmm...I had not considered that a seized waterpump could cascade into a
timing belt failure. Of course even a new pump still has some risk of
failure so it is always a question of weighing the odds but I do take your
point and I do appreciate your well considered advice.


"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull.DeleteThis@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
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> "Sandy" <sbeech6.DeleteThis@nospamcox.net> wrote in message
> news:zhiRh.136965$907.15930@newsfe13.phx...
>> You're right about the logic of replacing a $60 waterpump. Unfortunately
>> it's more like $123 for the pump plus labor plus all the associated
>> belts, fittings, etc. from my Dlr. and so it all ends up a lot closer to
>> a grand than to $500. Yes, it is a calculated risk to skip the WP but
>> it's not such a no-brainer when looking at spending $200+ to "maybe" save
>> $300 sometime later on. I'm still debating.
>>
>
> I think you are underestimating the costs of water pump failure. If the
> pump has to be replaced in the future, it will cost as much then as doing
> the whole smash now; what you spend now will be for naught. If the pump
> seizes (fortunately rather rare in Honda products) it will strip the
> timing belt and wreck the engine. The choice is yours, but I recommend
> doing the pump.
>
> Mike
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Timing belt question. 

Got to ask... What is the recommended mileage to replace the timing
belt on the engine? I am new to Honda / Acura. I just picked up a
2000 3.2 TL with 67k miles on it....

Thanks!

the_mahout
 >> Stay informed about: Timing belt question. 

<the_mahout.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Got to ask... What is the recommended mileage to replace the timing
> belt on the engine? I am new to Honda / Acura. I just picked up a
> 2000 3.2 TL with 67k miles on it....
>
> Thanks!
>
> the_mahout
>
>
Since the interval varies so much from model to model and year to year, the
best source of an answer is the owner's manual for that car... if it came
with one.

Mike
 >> Stay informed about: Timing belt question. 

"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull.DeleteThis@cybertrails.com> wrote in
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> "NJ Vike" <ErieLackawanna.DeleteThis@Scranton.com> wrote in message
> news:eAUQh.19546$tD2.3458@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> Unfortunately so:
>>
>> http://www.gates.com/landing/import/partlocator.cfm?location_id=510
>>
>
> Oddly, there are some definitely non-interference engines that Gates
> lists as interference. The Volvo B230 is non-interference in all
> versions. In this case I'm sure it's correct.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>


Some engines are "officially" non-interference only as-built. This simply
means there is some clearance between the parts. The clearance may be as
little as a few thousandths of an inch, so once a bit of carbon builds up,
the engine effectively becomes an interference setup.

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