Timing belt Time belt

motsco_ ´£¨ì:
> ¤jº~¥Á±Ú wrote:
>> I am surprised by the Timing belt business, all Honda cars, including
>> Acura, need timing belt replacement near 80,000 miles, I am wondering
>> why the ^%$# manufacturers don't want to make the belt with better
>> material that lasts for life time of the car.
>>
>> Another puzzle bothers me is that in my younger days with old American
>> made cars, there is no such thing as timing belt, we called timing
>> chain, and the chain lasted for life time of the car. (surely there are
>> few occasions that the timing chain failed, but I am sure there is no
>> maintenance requirement for replacing timing chain every nnnnnn miles).
>
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> What's your question?
>
> 'Curly'

why can not fabricate the timing belt with better material that lasts
for life time of the car?
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On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 18:18:04 GMT, ?j?~???? <myemail RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

>motsco_ ????:
>> ?j?~???? wrote:
>>> I am surprised by the Timing belt business, all Honda cars, including
>>> Acura, need timing belt replacement near 80,000 miles, I am wondering
>>> why the ^%$# manufacturers don't want to make the belt with better
>>> material that lasts for life time of the car.
>>>
>>> Another puzzle bothers me is that in my younger days with old American
>>> made cars, there is no such thing as timing belt, we called timing
>>> chain, and the chain lasted for life time of the car. (surely there are
>>> few occasions that the timing chain failed, but I am sure there is no
>>> maintenance requirement for replacing timing chain every nnnnnn miles).
>>
>> ---------------------
>>
>> What's your question?
>>
>> 'Curly'
>
>why can not fabricate the timing belt with better material that lasts
>for life time of the car?

The belts are made with high quality rubber and Kevlar. What material
do you think would work better?
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On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:12:16 -0600, Gordon McGrew
<gmcgrew.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote:

>>
>>why can not fabricate the timing belt with better material that lasts
>>for life time of the car?
>
>The belts are made with high quality rubber and Kevlar. What material
>do you think would work better?

How about numerous short metal pieces, joined together with flexible
links? You could even make the metal pieces with an opening in them,
so that a toothed metal wheel of some sort could engage the openings
and turn or be turned by a loop or belt made of such joined links.

I'll bet something like that would last longer than ones made of
rubber and Kevlar.
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On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:05:41 -0500, Dean Dark
<ddrake DeleteThis @comcast.notthis.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:12:16 -0600, Gordon McGrew
><gmcgrew DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>why can not fabricate the timing belt with better material that lasts
>>>for life time of the car?
>>
>>The belts are made with high quality rubber and Kevlar. What material
>>do you think would work better?
>
>How about numerous short metal pieces, joined together with flexible
>links? You could even make the metal pieces with an opening in them,
>so that a toothed metal wheel of some sort could engage the openings
>and turn or be turned by a loop or belt made of such joined links.
>
>I'll bet something like that would last longer than ones made of
>rubber and Kevlar.

The original Saturns used such a system with disastrous results. Not
that it can't be made to work, but as is often the case, the
engineering details trump the generalities of the solution.
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Dean Dark <ddrake DeleteThis @comcast.notthis.net> wrote in
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> On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:12:16 -0600, Gordon McGrew
> <gmcgrew DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>why can not fabricate the timing belt with better material that lasts
>>>for life time of the car?
>>
>>The belts are made with high quality rubber and Kevlar. What material
>>do you think would work better?
>
> How about numerous short metal pieces, joined together with flexible
> links? You could even make the metal pieces with an opening in them,
> so that a toothed metal wheel of some sort could engage the openings
> and turn or be turned by a loop or belt made of such joined links.
>
> I'll bet something like that would last longer than ones made of
> rubber and Kevlar.



You could even give such a contraption a fancy new name, like "chain" for
example.

In fact, that's exactly what many of the newest Hondas have...


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Tegger

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On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:04:06 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <tegger.TakeThisOut@tegger.c0m>
wrote:

>You could even give such a contraption a fancy new name, like "chain" for
>example.

Damn. Can't a man even fish in peace these days?
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Dean Dark <ddrake.RemoveThis@comcast.notthis.net> wrote in
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> On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:04:06 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <tegger.RemoveThis@tegger.c0m>
> wrote:
>
>>You could even give such a contraption a fancy new name, like "chain"
>>for example.
>
> Damn. Can't a man even fish in peace these days?



I hear dynamite is an effective fishing tool.

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On Dec 8, 12:45 pm, $BBg4AL1B2(B <myem....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am surprised by the Timing belt business, all Honda cars, including
> Acura, need timing belt replacement near 80,000 miles, I am wondering
> why the ^%$# manufacturers don't want to make the belt with better
> material that lasts for life time of the car.

I think that my Acura TSX has a timing chain, not a belt.

"An automatically adjusted silent-type chain drives the cams; it is
maintenance free and runs in an oil bath for maximum durability"
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"Gordon McGrew" <gmcgrew DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote in message:

> The belts are made with high quality rubber and Kevlar. What material
> do you think would work better?

It must be good stuff. We have 273K miles on our 98 Accord EXV6 and never
changed the timing belt. My father has just under 180K on his 00 Acura TL.
He went through one tranny already, but ALL of the belts have held up just
fine.

I believe these belts are made to last the life of the vehicle. Has anyone
else actually had one break?
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James wrote:
> "Gordon McGrew" <gmcgrew.DeleteThis@mindspring.com> wrote in message:
>
>> The belts are made with high quality rubber and Kevlar. What material
>> do you think would work better?
>
> It must be good stuff. We have 273K miles on our 98 Accord EXV6 and
> never changed the timing belt. My father has just under 180K on his 00
> Acura TL. He went through one tranny already, but ALL of the belts have
> held up just fine.
>
> I believe these belts are made to last the life of the vehicle. Has
> anyone else actually had one break?

X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X

"Grain of salt" warning. . .

'Curly'
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James wrote:
> I believe these belts are made to last the life of the vehicle. Has
> anyone else actually had one break?
>
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Actually, they are made to last the life of the _engine_

Every month somebody tells us how the belt finally failed at _EXACTLY_
the same moment as the engine. There must be some strange metaphysical
connection to the wording of the owner's manual.

Here's a link to the HONDA owner's manuals:

https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/RJAAI001_OMANUAL.asp

'Curly'
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"motsco_" <motsco_.RemoveThis@interbaun.com> wrote in message :

> Actually, they are made to last the life of the _engine_
>
> Every month somebody tells us how the belt finally failed at _EXACTLY_ the
> same moment as the engine. There must be some strange metaphysical
> connection to the wording of the owner's manual.
>
> Here's a link to the HONDA owner's manuals:
>
> https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/RJAAI001_OMANUAL.asp
>
> 'Curly'

Our 98 Accord will turn over 300K miles probably before spring arrives in
08. I use Mobil One synthetic. I've run it in every car we've ever owned.
Our last vehicle was a 92 Accord that we traded in for the 98, and it had
204K miles.

Typically speaking, what is the "life of the _engine_" in a Honda product?
I've never run one into the ground, but if our finances don't improve, we
may run our 98 into the ground...or until the engine quits and the timing
belt mysteriously breaks. ;o)

Just curious, but what's the highest mileage anyone has ever put on a honda
engine?

james
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"motsco_" <motsco_.TakeThisOut@interbaun.com> wrote in message:

> James wrote:
>> "Gordon McGrew" <gmcgrew.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote in message:
>>
>>> The belts are made with high quality rubber and Kevlar. What material
>>> do you think would work better?
>>
>> It must be good stuff. We have 273K miles on our 98 Accord EXV6 and
>> never changed the timing belt. My father has just under 180K on his 00
>> Acura TL. He went through one tranny already, but ALL of the belts have
>> held up just fine.
>>
>> I believe these belts are made to last the life of the vehicle. Has
>> anyone else actually had one break?
>
> X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X
>
> "Grain of salt" warning. . .
>
> 'Curly'

What does this mean? Could you elaborate?

james
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