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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 6:55 am
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Hi all,

Its time to change my first alfa, my beloved 03 166 2.5 V6 Sad

I have had the car from new and its been the best car I have owned, but as a
business driver its got nearly got 60,000 on the clock so I suppose I need
to sell it
before the mileage gets to high.

This give me a real problem as which Alfa do I buy next? Well I like the
idea of a 156 Sportwagon Diesel but I have no experience of what the
Sportwagons are like or what the Alfa diesels are like - please let me have
your comments about sportwagons and diesels. Thanks

If anyone is interested in the 166 then it has full service history, the
cambelt / tensioners, water pump were all changed on the last service.
The car was pre-registered in May 03 and I brought the car from Alfa dealer
in May 04 with 30miles on the clock. Its black with grey cloth interior and
in excellent condition. I was told that MAF sensor will need to be changed
on next service.

Any more details email me at "CycleMania100 AT gmail DOT com"

If anyone has a low mileage 05'ish 156 Diesel Sportwagon forsale then please
get in touch at "CycleMania100 AT gmail DOT com"

Cheers

DJ

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> I have had the car from new and its been the best car I have owned, but as a
> business driver its got nearly got 60,000 on the clock so I suppose I need
> to sell it before the mileage gets to high.

I guess it depends if you want to change it as the depreciation is so
steep on these the mileage won't make a huge difference, unless you are
concerned the running costs will increase with mileage.

> This give me a real problem as which Alfa do I buy next? Well I like the
> idea of a 156 Sportwagon Diesel but I have no experience of what the
> Sportwagons are like or what the Alfa diesels are like - please let me have
> your comments about sportwagons and diesels. Thanks

It really comes down to your personal preference between petrol &
diesel. It is a debate which can't be won IMHO.

I own a 156 V6 and have driven the 2.4JTD plus the 1.9 diesel in both
the 147 and 159. Whilst I can't fault the performance of the diesels
there is something missing for me. I associate Alfas with high revving
engines and the sportier sound of a petrol is important to me. The 2.4
sounds a very purposeful engine. It doesn't do it for me as achieving a
sporty sound but it is very subjective. Just like comparing a small high
revving petrol engine with a low revving V8 in the past.

The Alfa diesels are excellent examples of modern diesel technology, but
don't expect it to feel or sound anything like the V6 you are used to.

Many drivers new to diesels will drive them like petrols and be
disappointed that they run out of steam at 4500 rpm, just when the
petrol is getting into its stride. They have such incredible low down
pulling power that they are driven in a sporty manner at a much lower
rev range. Once used to this the in gear performance can be superior to
a petrol but it is a very different experience. For me the perception of
performance driving is more important than the times on paper (how often
do you get to really drive flat out?) hence I would choose an Alfa over
other cars that have superior outright performance - i.e. not what it
does but how it does it. On the same basis I would rate the aural
delight of a decent petrol engine a differentiator over even the best
diesels, but that is a very subjective view. Diesel lovers will prefer
the more relaxed driving experience over a 4 pot petrol plus of course
if economy is high on the priority list then there is little doubt.

Cheers
Tony

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:55 am
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DJ wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Its time to change my first alfa, my beloved 03 166 2.5 V6 Sad
>
> I have had the car from new and its been the best car I have owned,
> but as a business driver its got nearly got 60,000 on the clock so I
> suppose I need to sell it
> before the mileage gets to high.

Blimey - what business are you in? (96k on my '04 146 so far....)
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cupra <NOcupra.sSPAM DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> DJ wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Its time to change my first alfa, my beloved 03 166 2.5 V6 Sad
> >
> > I have had the car from new and its been the best car I have owned,
> > but as a business driver its got nearly got 60,000 on the clock so I
> > suppose I need to sell it
> > before the mileage gets to high.
>
> Blimey - what business are you in? (96k on my '04 146 so far....)

147, surely?

My 55 plate Passat is on 42k miles already - and it spent around 3-4
months sat in a carpark doing nothing.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:55 pm
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"Tony Rickard" <tony.rickardno.RemoveThis@spam.blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> I have had the car from new and its been the best car I have owned, but
>> as a business driver its got nearly got 60,000 on the clock so I suppose
>> I need to sell it before the mileage gets to high.
>
> I guess it depends if you want to change it as the depreciation is so
> steep on these the mileage won't make a huge difference, unless you are
> concerned the running costs will increase with mileage.
>
>> This give me a real problem as which Alfa do I buy next? Well I like the
>> idea of a 156 Sportwagon Diesel but I have no experience of what the
>> Sportwagons are like or what the Alfa diesels are like - please let me
>> have your comments about sportwagons and diesels. Thanks
>
> It really comes down to your personal preference between petrol &
> diesel. It is a debate which can't be won IMHO.
>
> I own a 156 V6 and have driven the 2.4JTD plus the 1.9 diesel in both
> the 147 and 159. Whilst I can't fault the performance of the diesels
> there is something missing for me. I associate Alfas with high revving
> engines and the sportier sound of a petrol is important to me. The 2.4
> sounds a very purposeful engine. It doesn't do it for me as achieving a
> sporty sound but it is very subjective. Just like comparing a small high
> revving petrol engine with a low revving V8 in the past.
>
> The Alfa diesels are excellent examples of modern diesel technology, but
> don't expect it to feel or sound anything like the V6 you are used to.
>
> Many drivers new to diesels will drive them like petrols and be
> disappointed that they run out of steam at 4500 rpm, just when the
> petrol is getting into its stride. They have such incredible low down
> pulling power that they are driven in a sporty manner at a much lower
> rev range. Once used to this the in gear performance can be superior to a
> petrol but it is a very different experience. For me the perception of
> performance driving is more important than the times on paper (how often
> do you get to really drive flat out?) hence I would choose an Alfa over
> other cars that have superior outright performance - i.e. not what it does
> but how it does it. On the same basis I would rate the aural delight of a
> decent petrol engine a differentiator over even the best diesels, but that
> is a very subjective view. Diesel lovers will prefer the more relaxed
> driving experience over a 4 pot petrol plus of course if economy is high
> on the priority list then there is little doubt.
>
> Cheers
> Tony

Well its not really an economy decision, as I use the car for work nearly
all the miles I do are motorway so typically get 400 miles per tank. Maybe I
will stick with a V6 if I can find a 156 V6 Sportwagon.

I have been looking for a sportwagon lately and most of them seem to be
Diesels, that's really why I started to consider the possibility of a
Diesel. I have never ever had a Diesel and your comments were very useful
and have not discouraged me from considering one....I think a test drive is
what is needed - I will know immediately if I can live with one or not.

Thanks

DJ
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:55 pm
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SteveH wrote:
> cupra <NOcupra.sSPAM.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Its time to change my first alfa, my beloved 03 166 2.5 V6 Sad
>>>
>>> I have had the car from new and its been the best car I have owned,
>>> but as a business driver its got nearly got 60,000 on the clock so I
>>> suppose I need to sell it
>>> before the mileage gets to high.
>>
>> Blimey - what business are you in? (96k on my '04 146 so far....)
>
> 147, surely?
>

lol - typo Smile

> My 55 plate Passat is on 42k miles already - and it spent around 3-4
> months sat in a carpark doing nothing.

Yep - last year was a lean for me mileage wise too (plenty of overseas trips
and aiport car parks).
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"SteveH" <steve RemoveThis @italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message
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> cupra <NOcupra.sSPAM RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> DJ wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Its time to change my first alfa, my beloved 03 166 2.5 V6 Sad
>> >
>> > I have had the car from new and its been the best car I have owned,
>> > but as a business driver its got nearly got 60,000 on the clock so I
>> > suppose I need to sell it
>> > before the mileage gets to high.
>>
>> Blimey - what business are you in? (96k on my '04 146 so far....)
>
> 147, surely?
>
> My 55 plate Passat is on 42k miles already - and it spent around 3-4
> months sat in a carpark doing nothing.
> --

When you put it like that I suppose 20,000 miles a year is pretty good for a
company car - but its enough me!
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:55 pm
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DJ wrote:
> I think a test drive is
> what is needed - I will know immediately if I can live with one or not.

Exactly. Opinions will be useful but the petrol vs diesel debate can get
very intense and in the end it is a very personal thing.

Cheers
Tony
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DJ <DJ RemoveThis @xxxxx.com> wrote:

> Well its not really an economy decision, as I use the car for work nearly
> all the miles I do are motorway so typically get 400 miles per tank. Maybe I
> will stick with a V6 if I can find a 156 V6 Sportwagon.

At 400 miles / week you'll make some significant savings buying a
diesel.

eg. the 156 averages around 32mpg vs the Passat at 44mpg.

The savings are even bigger over a thirsty V6.

> I have been looking for a sportwagon lately and most of them seem to be
> Diesels, that's really why I started to consider the possibility of a
> Diesel. I have never ever had a Diesel and your comments were very useful
> and have not discouraged me from considering one....I think a test drive is
> what is needed - I will know immediately if I can live with one or not.

I think the argument here shouldn't be petrol vs diesel, it's about
living with a Sportwagon. With the seats up, the boot is smaller than
that of the 156 saloon - how much stuff do you carry in your boot? - I
couldn't use a 156 for work, 'cos the boot is too small.


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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:55 pm
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Just read an article in Hollands' leading car magazine.
They (finally) dealt with the myth on Alfa's depreciation (in Holland).
They have a 159 2.2 as year test car and made a depreciation calculation for
when they will stop the year test.
Compared with i.e VW Passat, Opel Vectra, Toyota Avensis, Audi A4, BMW 3,
only the BMW had (only) a few % less depreciation than the 159 !!
They others are absolutely equal or even worse than Alfa !
And, they added, Alfa's are absolutely delivering the best value for money
when buying the car new, so when you take that into the equasion as well,
Alfa's are even an better investment (as far as a car can be a good
investment that is of course......)

Tip:
Try getting one of those "end-of-the-line" 156 SW's.
New cars, not sold and still standing in the back yard of dalers/importer.
Many, many thousands cheaper than a demo.

Ciao from The Netherlands
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>
> I guess it depends if you want to change it as the depreciation is so
> steep on these the mileage won't make a huge difference, unless you are
> concerned the running costs will increase with mileage.
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>
> Tip:
> Try getting one of those "end-of-the-line" 156 SW's.
> New cars, not sold and still standing in the back yard of dalers/importer.
> Many, many thousands cheaper than a demo.

That would be ideal - I guess I should phone around the dealers and see what
they can come up with. I don't know why but I think the new shape 156 SW
looks a really nice car....its like my heart is set on one and I have never
driven one! Thanks DJ
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DJ wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Its time to change my first alfa, my beloved 03 166 2.5 V6 Sad
>
> I have had the car from new and its been the best car I have owned, but as a
> business driver its got nearly got 60,000 on the clock so I suppose I need
> to sell it
> before the mileage gets to high.
>
> ..............
>
>
> Cheers
>
> DJ
>
>
I am in a similar situation.
I have my Alfa 146 Junior 1.6TS from new and full service history.
Private purchase and carefully run in by me.
Cambelt and variator changed at 55000 miles.
I now have 80000 miles on the clock and the engine seems to go as well
as ever.
Best car I have owned.
I normally trade in cars before 60000 and am sorely tempted by the 147
but am only offerred
£750 as trade in and it seems silly to trade in a car which is going so
well as I have cash ready for next Alfa
in due course and can wait until something really expensive happens
before changing.

So what mileage can I expect to get from the 1.6TS engine before it gives up
if I continue to run it into the ground ?

Advice from experienced Alfa owners appreciated with thanks in advance.

Cheers
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John Chapman <jchapman RemoveThis @clara.net> wrote:

> I am in a similar situation.
> I have my Alfa 146 Junior 1.6TS from new and full service history.
> Private purchase and carefully run in by me.
> Cambelt and variator changed at 55000 miles.

Lucky bugger - most will have snapped by then!

> I now have 80000 miles on the clock and the engine seems to go as well
> as ever.
> Best car I have owned.
> I normally trade in cars before 60000 and am sorely tempted by the 147
> but am only offerred
> £750 as trade in and it seems silly to trade in a car which is going so
> well as I have cash ready for next Alfa
> in due course and can wait until something really expensive happens
> before changing.
>
> So what mileage can I expect to get from the 1.6TS engine before it gives up
> if I continue to run it into the ground ?

2-3 times the current mileage - just ensure you keep and eye on the oil
levels and have the cambelt done at 36k miles / 3 year intervals.

Alfas only tend to break as a result of owner neglect.

(Our 156 is on 119k miles currently, with no issues other than a failed
catalytic converter)
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alfistagj wrote:
> Just read an article in Hollands' leading car magazine.
> They (finally) dealt with the myth on Alfa's depreciation (in Holland).
> They have a 159 2.2 as year test car and made a depreciation calculation for
> when they will stop the year test.

It is no myth for current Alfa owners. The projections for the 159 I
presume are based on anticipation of numbers available, early
indications of reliability, discounts on new cars and the reputation of
Alfa Romeo in general improving as Alfa tackle the dealer reputation issues.

Limited in roads into the fleet market will keep numbers down and
residuals up although how this ties in with Alfas estimated increases in
sales I am not so sure.

The revamp of the dealer network has only just started so that remains
to be seen.

To meet Alfa UKs targets of 20000 sales compared with 6000 in 2005
without heavily discounting and/or getting into fleets would seem a bit
of a contradiction with retaining high residuals, unless of course the
turn around in Alfa's reputation and move up the customer survey tables
is as rapid as they hope.

I think it is a case of wait and see...

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As Alfa driver since 1972 I have had this discussion nummerous times with
i.e. BMW driving co-workers and friends.
The corectly claimed less deprecreation when you take %'s, but I always
calculated that back to "old" Dutch Guilders (now euro) and ALWAYS could
proove that my Alfa's depreciated less and, more importantly I didn't have
to finance those ridiculaous new prices of BMW's in the first place.
Recently (2 years ago) I got my new GT and the dealer paid me 58% of the new
price for my 4 years old 156SW1.8 with 140.000km as trade in!
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> alfistagj wrote:
>> Just read an article in Hollands' leading car magazine.
>> They (finally) dealt with the myth on Alfa's depreciation (in Holland).
>> They have a 159 2.2 as year test car and made a depreciation calculation
>> for
>> when they will stop the year test.
>
> It is no myth for current Alfa owners. The projections for the 159 I
> presume are based on anticipation of numbers available, early indications
> of reliability, discounts on new cars and the reputation of Alfa Romeo in
> general improving as Alfa tackle the dealer reputation issues.
>
> Limited in roads into the fleet market will keep numbers down and
> residuals up although how this ties in with Alfas estimated increases in
> sales I am not so sure.
>
> The revamp of the dealer network has only just started so that remains to
> be seen.
>
> To meet Alfa UKs targets of 20000 sales compared with 6000 in 2005 without
> heavily discounting and/or getting into fleets would seem a bit of a
> contradiction with retaining high residuals, unless of course the turn
> around in Alfa's reputation and move up the customer survey tables is as
> rapid as they hope.
>
> I think it is a case of wait and see...
>
> Cheers
> Tony
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