TDI

In article <1vcus3hv4ggulumiiaqam1831sm7ttvpga.DeleteThis@4ax.com>, Jim Behning <jimbehning.DeleteThis@doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> wrote:
>No, sometime soon though.
>http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=203430
>
>On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:01:41 -0800 (PST), higgledy <higgledy.DeleteThis@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>In the USA, is VW currently offering a TDI in any model?

It's a fuel quality issue, burn the older hogher sulfer content fuel and
you mess up the exhaust system. Since that would be a warranty issue they
have been reluctant to bring in the new TDi design until the fuel situation
here has 'settled' down. I think sometime late this spring/summer or at the
beginning of the next model year will see a Jetta TDi.

fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
 >> Stay informed about: TDI 

Actually the ULSF has been here for over a year. It's a EPA approval thing
on the eura (sp?)...

"Rico" <rico_001.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <1vcus3hv4ggulumiiaqam1831sm7ttvpga.DeleteThis@4ax.com>, Jim Behning
> <jimbehning.DeleteThis@doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> wrote:
>>No, sometime soon though.
>>http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=203430
>>
>>On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:01:41 -0800 (PST), higgledy <higgledy.DeleteThis@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In the USA, is VW currently offering a TDI in any model?
>
> It's a fuel quality issue, burn the older hogher sulfer content fuel and
> you mess up the exhaust system. Since that would be a warranty issue they
> have been reluctant to bring in the new TDi design until the fuel
> situation
> here has 'settled' down. I think sometime late this spring/summer or at
> the
> beginning of the next model year will see a Jetta TDi.
>
> fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
 >> Stay informed about: TDI 

But there were/are tanks with old fuel. One thing they (car
manufacturers) wanted to do was make sure the old supply was used up.
Well that was at least one excuse they used.

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:16:30 -0400, "Jo Bo" <jromas
SPAM.TakeThisOut@columbus.rr.com> wrote:

>Actually the ULSF has been here for over a year. It's a EPA approval thing
>on the eura (sp?)...
>
>"Rico" <rico_001.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:8xQzj.463$vr3.134@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>> In article <1vcus3hv4ggulumiiaqam1831sm7ttvpga.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, Jim Behning
>> <jimbehning.TakeThisOut@doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>No, sometime soon though.
>>>http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=203430
>>>
>>>On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:01:41 -0800 (PST), higgledy <higgledy.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>In the USA, is VW currently offering a TDI in any model?
>>
>> It's a fuel quality issue, burn the older hogher sulfer content fuel and
>> you mess up the exhaust system. Since that would be a warranty issue they
>> have been reluctant to bring in the new TDi design until the fuel
>> situation
>> here has 'settled' down. I think sometime late this spring/summer or at
>> the
>> beginning of the next model year will see a Jetta TDi.
>>
>> fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
>
 >> Stay informed about: TDI 

Jo Bo wrote:
> Actually the ULSF has been here for over a year. It's a EPA approval thing
> on the eura (sp?)...
>
> "Rico" <rico_001.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8xQzj.463$vr3.134@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>
>> In article <1vcus3hv4ggulumiiaqam1831sm7ttvpga.DeleteThis@4ax.com>, Jim Behning
>> <jimbehning.DeleteThis@doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No, sometime soon though.
>>> http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=203430
>>>
>>> On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:01:41 -0800 (PST), higgledy <higgledy.DeleteThis@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> In the USA, is VW currently offering a TDI in any model?
>>>>
>> It's a fuel quality issue, burn the older hogher sulfer content fuel and
>> you mess up the exhaust system. Since that would be a warranty issue they
>> have been reluctant to bring in the new TDi design until the fuel
>> situation
>> here has 'settled' down. I think sometime late this spring/summer or at
>> the
>> beginning of the next model year will see a Jetta TDi.
>>
>> fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
>>
>
>
>
So is that why Diesel is over $4/Gal. out here in California?
Seems they don't want to let anything in that would reduce the cost/mile.
I'm staring to understand how the Europeans feel. It's hard to fathom.
I've got a friend down the road that makes his own biodiesel and his coop
members pay 70cents/gallon? That covers all his equipment expenses too?

You'd think a factory would be even more efficient.
 >> Stay informed about: TDI 

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:20:00 -0700, Derek Palmer
<d.e.r.e.k.p.a.l.m.e.r.DeleteThis@x.i.l.i.n.x.c.o.m> wrote:

>Jo Bo wrote:
>> Actually the ULSF has been here for over a year. It's a EPA approval thing
>> on the eura (sp?)...
>>
>> "Rico" <rico_001.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:8xQzj.463$vr3.134@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>
>>> In article <1vcus3hv4ggulumiiaqam1831sm7ttvpga.DeleteThis@4ax.com>, Jim Behning
>>> <jimbehning.DeleteThis@doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, sometime soon though.
>>>> http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=203430
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:01:41 -0800 (PST), higgledy <higgledy.DeleteThis@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In the USA, is VW currently offering a TDI in any model?
>>>>>
>>> It's a fuel quality issue, burn the older hogher sulfer content fuel and
>>> you mess up the exhaust system. Since that would be a warranty issue they
>>> have been reluctant to bring in the new TDi design until the fuel
>>> situation
>>> here has 'settled' down. I think sometime late this spring/summer or at
>>> the
>>> beginning of the next model year will see a Jetta TDi.
>>>
>>> fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>So is that why Diesel is over $4/Gal. out here in California?
>Seems they don't want to let anything in that would reduce the cost/mile.
>I'm staring to understand how the Europeans feel. It's hard to fathom.
>I've got a friend down the road that makes his own biodiesel and his coop
>members pay 70cents/gallon? That covers all his equipment expenses too?
>
>You'd think a factory would be even more efficient.
Diesel is $4 a gallon in Georgia. I have in the past payed less for
diesel than gas. I have read that a fair amount of refined fuels are
imported. That can't help the price.

I talked to a commercial biodiesel producer last October. He said
that the feedstock price follows the oil prices. If your co-op is
collecting its own waste vegetable oil then it may be paying a lot
less than a commercial biodiesel producer is.
 >> Stay informed about: TDI 

The main reason Diesel is over $4 per gallon here in Calif. is there's a
short supply of refining capacity... When all the mergers took place, a
refinery in San Bernardino was closed that produced 6% of all the diesel
produced in the state. The closure produced a 3% shortfall for the state and
I remember the state legislators petitioning the oil company (I forgot which
one it was) to sell it. It wasn't in their interest to do so but they
finally consented with a key component removed. It finally did reopen with
Flying J as the new owner.
Nobody will build/improve refining capacity here (or anywhere, for that
matter). Refining bottlenecks are where all the profit lay. I remember an
interview with a Saudi oil minister where the interviewer asked if they
would turn up the tap to lower oil prices. He said, more or less, they could
pump till the cows came home, but it wouldn't help...your problem is
refining capacity. I've never heard a word from him since.

I may have double posted this by mistake, sorry!

"Derek Palmer" <d.e.r.e.k.p.a.l.m.e.r.TakeThisOut@x.i.l.i.n.x.c.o.m> wrote in message
news:frc5pv$7cn1@cnn.xsj.xilinx.com...
> Jo Bo wrote:
>> Actually the ULSF has been here for over a year. It's a EPA approval
>> thing on the eura (sp?)...
>>
>> "Rico" <rico_001.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:8xQzj.463$vr3.134@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>
>>> In article <1vcus3hv4ggulumiiaqam1831sm7ttvpga.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, Jim Behning
>>> <jimbehning.TakeThisOut@doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, sometime soon though.
>>>> http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=203430
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:01:41 -0800 (PST), higgledy <higgledy.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In the USA, is VW currently offering a TDI in any model?
>>>>>
>>> It's a fuel quality issue, burn the older hogher sulfer content fuel and
>>> you mess up the exhaust system. Since that would be a warranty issue
>>> they
>>> have been reluctant to bring in the new TDi design until the fuel
>>> situation
>>> here has 'settled' down. I think sometime late this spring/summer or at
>>> the
>>> beginning of the next model year will see a Jetta TDi.
>>>
>>> fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
>>
>>
>>
> So is that why Diesel is over $4/Gal. out here in California?
> Seems they don't want to let anything in that would reduce the cost/mile.
> I'm staring to understand how the Europeans feel. It's hard to fathom.
> I've got a friend down the road that makes his own biodiesel and his coop
> members pay 70cents/gallon? That covers all his equipment expenses too?
>
> You'd think a factory would be even more efficient.
>
 >> Stay informed about: TDI 

On Mar 14, 12:25 pm, Lynn McGuire <l... DeleteThis @winsim.com> wrote:
> > Nobody will build/improve refining capacity here (or anywhere, for that
> > matter). Refining bottlenecks are where all the profit lay. I remember an
> > interview with a Saudi oil minister where the interviewer asked if they
> > would turn up the tap to lower oil prices. He said, more or less, they could
> > pump till the cows came home, but it wouldn't help...your problem is
> > refining capacity. I've never heard a word from him since.
>
> Someone is trying to build a new refinery in Arizona:
>    http://www.arizonacleanfuels.com/refinery.htm
>
> Lynn

The United States operates at about 105% of its refining capacity for
all fractions of fuel. Exceptions are specific to the east coast where
the heavy/sour crude refineries are most prevalent - and middle-
eastern crude is mostly heavy/sour. This capacity is pretty severely
limited and isn't going to get any better due to space, cost and
environmental concerns and requirements. Middle-eastern crude is only
about 22% of all oil used in the US. Most of "our" oil comes from
Canada and Mexico, and home grown (~29% of total consumed).

What this means is that we import (typically) between 5% and 7% of our
petroleum products as already-refined materials. This is Part A.

The United States, on average, consumes 25% of the world's total
energy production of all types - fossil, wind, solar, nuclear, other
on an annual basis. The United States has approximately 5% of the
world's total population. This is Part B.

The largest growing populations on earth at present (not by
percentage, but by actual numbers) are in China and India. These two
are also amongst the fastest growing economies. This is Part C.

China and India have, between them, approximately 35% of the world's
total population and consume approximately 20% of the world's total
energy resources as noted above. This is Part D.

So, if China and India were to consume resources as does the US at
present, they would consume 175% of the world's total energy
resources. India presently exports very large amounts of gasoline to
the US. They are beginning to divert that flow to internal
consumption. China and India want to be just like us. And we are
sending them vast quantities of our dollars to that they can become
so.

The Saudis are sitting on 25% of the world's proven reserves. Combine
Iraq and Kuwait, that goes to 45%. *MOST* of the oil they sell does
NOT go to the United States, but to China, Japan, the Pacific Rim and
Europe. A small amount (22% overall from the Middle East) goes to the
US. By the way, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, Sudan and Yemen are all very
nearly out of oil at this point - but not of natural gas. They are
gradually shifting their economies from resource-dependent to tourism
and business-dependent. The Pearl Roundabout in Manama 6 years ago vs.
today alone is proof of that. Or any week's growth in Dubai or Abu
Dhabi.

ANWR (Alaskan Wildlife Sanctuary unproven reserves) would cost between
FIVE and TEN BILLION dollars and between five and seven years to
exploit. The total anticipated reserves based on the most optimistic
DOE figures would last the United States nineteen (19) months at
present consumption. The United States sits on 5% of the world's total
proven reserves within its territory or territorial waters.

Refinery capacity is the very least of our problems...

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA
 >> Stay informed about: TDI 

> Nobody will build/improve refining capacity here (or anywhere, for that
> matter). Refining bottlenecks are where all the profit lay. I remember an
> interview with a Saudi oil minister where the interviewer asked if they
> would turn up the tap to lower oil prices. He said, more or less, they could
> pump till the cows came home, but it wouldn't help...your problem is
> refining capacity. I've never heard a word from him since.

Someone is trying to build a new refinery in Arizona:
http://www.arizonacleanfuels.com/refinery.htm

Lynn
 >> Stay informed about: TDI 

> ANWR (Alaskan Wildlife Sanctuary unproven reserves) would cost between
> FIVE and TEN BILLION dollars and between five and seven years to
> exploit. The total anticipated reserves based on the most optimistic
> DOE figures would last the United States nineteen (19) months at
> present consumption. The United States sits on 5% of the world's total
> proven reserves within its territory or territorial waters.

Proven reserves of oil. You forgot our proven reserves
of natural gas (100 years at current usage rate) and
coal (300 years at current rate). You also forgot the
Oil Shale in the Rocky Mountains (estimated 1000 years
of oil at current rate of usage of oil in USA). We
just need to figure out how to extract that oil from
the shale.

ANWR is just part of the answer to a large and complex
problem. If we dont do it now then we will regret this
in a couple of years (I can hardly wait to stand in line
for gasoline again, 1873, 1975, 1979 and post-Rita were
enough for me. Dont forgot the shallow water oil and gas
in the shelves off the Florida and California coasts that
is verboten from drilling for right now.

> Refinery capacity is the very least of our problems...

Then why is Diesel priced so high over gasoline right
now ? Answer, there is a shortage of Diesel in the USA
because the refineries had to make extra heating oil in
January due to the extreme winter we had (global warming
strikes again).

Lynn
 >> Stay informed about: TDI 

On Mar 14, 2:41 pm, Lynn McGuire <l....RemoveThis@winsim.com> wrote:
> > ANWR (Alaskan Wildlife Sanctuary unproven reserves) would cost between
> > FIVE and TEN BILLION dollars and between five and seven years to
> > exploit. The total anticipated reserves based on the most optimistic
> > DOE figures would last the United States nineteen (19) months at
> > present consumption. The United States sits on 5% of the world's total
> > proven reserves within its territory or territorial waters.
>
> Proven reserves of oil.  You forgot our proven reserves
> of natural gas (100 years at current usage rate) and
> coal (300 years at current rate).  You also forgot the
> Oil Shale in the Rocky Mountains (estimated 1000 years
> of oil at current rate of usage of oil in USA).  We
> just need to figure out how to extract that oil from
> the shale.
>
> ANWR is just part of the answer to a large and complex
> problem.  If we dont do it now then we will regret this
> in a couple of years (I can hardly wait to stand in line
> for gasoline again, 1873, 1975, 1979 and post-Rita were
> enough for me.  Dont forgot the shallow water oil and gas
> in the shelves off the Florida and California coasts that
> is verboten from drilling for right now.
>
> > Refinery capacity is the very least of our problems...
>
> Then why is Diesel priced so high over gasoline right
> now ?  Answer, there is a shortage of Diesel in the USA
> because the refineries had to make extra heating oil in
> January due to the extreme winter we had (global warming
> strikes again).
>
> Lynn

Um, with all due respect, piffle....

You don't read for content well, do you? If China or India outbid us
for the feedstock, whether we are strapped for refinery capacity or
not makes no difference - we will have nothing to feed them. As long
as we send our dollars to China and India (along with our jobs), they
*WILL* be able to outbid us. As long as we send our dollars to Iraq in
a pointless war while neglecting our children and their education at
home we will not be able to compete for jobs on an international
basis. As long as Sony can (and did) spend more money in real dollars
doing R&D for their next *game* platform than the US Government spent
on R&D NATIONWIDE in the same timer period, they will continue to eat
our lunch, get a start on our breakfast and target our dinner.

At $9-$11/gallon, neither supply nor demand will be a problem. That
gives you the shale, that gives you deep-steam and carbon
sequestration extraction methods, that even gives you sulphur
injection methods presently practiced in the Qatif & Hofuf oil fields
in Saudi, that gives you coal distillation at a practical level...

Do you really want to be like China and compete with Eastern Europe,
Northern Japan and Central India for the title of most polluted
country on earth? Do you even begin to understand the implications of
"global warming" as it actually happens? Extremes of weather are the
_results_ of it. Areas get dry, areas get cold areas get hot - sadly -
areas that were not that way for 10,000 years before. Global warming
tends to be followed with an ice-age. Kudzu has reached nothern
Maryland - it no longer winter-kills. Think about that as you bitch
about a "record" winter - which it was not.

In general, I would prefer my three grand children to have something
to enjoy in the future. Oil is far to valuable to burn - it is the
primary feedstock for too many things for which there are NO
alternatives -whereas there are many alternatives to consuming fossil
fuel for mere heat.

BTW, the proven US natural gas reserves within our territorial limits
are as you describe. However production costs for about 70% of those
reserves exceeds $5/therm (CCF). That is to get it out of the ground,
not to the end-user. It's there - but your life-style will change
substantially before you can afford it.

As George Santayana wrote: Those who do not understand the past are
condemned to repeat it. Go ahead and look for simplistic, feel-good
solutions for complex, non-trivial problems. Keep that up and the
Uniteds States will become a third-world nation (albeit a well-armed
one) in short order.

Lastly, consider what would happen if the GCC & OPEC were to go off
the dollar and price oil in Euros - as Kuwait, Iran, Bahrain and Dubai
want to do right now. THINK on it for a few moments. The implications
are mind-boggling.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA
 >> Stay informed about: TDI 

Hmmm - I thought diesel cost more than gas because being less refined, it
has more product left in it (since they take less out) ... so I'm getting
more for my money!

(Yes, I'm just kidding.)

"Lynn McGuire" <lmc.DeleteThis@winsim.com> wrote in message
news:13tll86c537jlea@news.supernews.com...
>> ANWR (Alaskan Wildlife Sanctuary unproven reserves) would cost between
>> FIVE and TEN BILLION dollars and between five and seven years to
>> exploit. The total anticipated reserves based on the most optimistic
>> DOE figures would last the United States nineteen (19) months at
>> present consumption. The United States sits on 5% of the world's total
>> proven reserves within its territory or territorial waters.
>
> Proven reserves of oil. You forgot our proven reserves
> of natural gas (100 years at current usage rate) and
> coal (300 years at current rate). You also forgot the
> Oil Shale in the Rocky Mountains (estimated 1000 years
> of oil at current rate of usage of oil in USA). We
> just need to figure out how to extract that oil from
> the shale.
>
> ANWR is just part of the answer to a large and complex
> problem. If we dont do it now then we will regret this
> in a couple of years (I can hardly wait to stand in line
> for gasoline again, 1873, 1975, 1979 and post-Rita were
> enough for me. Dont forgot the shallow water oil and gas
> in the shelves off the Florida and California coasts that
> is verboten from drilling for right now.
>
>> Refinery capacity is the very least of our problems...
>
> Then why is Diesel priced so high over gasoline right
> now ? Answer, there is a shortage of Diesel in the USA
> because the refineries had to make extra heating oil in
> January due to the extreme winter we had (global warming
> strikes again).
>
> Lynn
 >> Stay informed about: TDI 

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:56:54 -0700 (PDT), "pfjw@aol.com"
<pfjw DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote:

>On Mar 14, 2:41 pm, Lynn McGuire <l... DeleteThis @winsim.com> wrote:
>> > ANWR (Alaskan Wildlife Sanctuary unproven reserves) would cost between
>> > FIVE and TEN BILLION dollars and between five and seven years to
>> > exploit. The total anticipated reserves based on the most optimistic
>> > DOE figures would last the United States nineteen (19) months at
>> > present consumption. The United States sits on 5% of the world's total
>> > proven reserves within its territory or territorial waters.
>>
>> Proven reserves of oil.  You forgot our proven reserves
>> of natural gas (100 years at current usage rate) and
>> coal (300 years at current rate).  You also forgot the
>> Oil Shale in the Rocky Mountains (estimated 1000 years
>> of oil at current rate of usage of oil in USA).  We
>> just need to figure out how to extract that oil from
>> the shale.
>>
>> ANWR is just part of the answer to a large and complex
>> problem.  If we dont do it now then we will regret this
>> in a couple of years (I can hardly wait to stand in line
>> for gasoline again, 1873, 1975, 1979 and post-Rita were
>> enough for me.  Dont forgot the shallow water oil and gas
>> in the shelves off the Florida and California coasts that
>> is verboten from drilling for right now.
>>
>> > Refinery capacity is the very least of our problems...
>>
>> Then why is Diesel priced so high over gasoline right
>> now ?  Answer, there is a shortage of Diesel in the USA
>> because the refineries had to make extra heating oil in
>> January due to the extreme winter we had (global warming
>> strikes again).
>>
>> Lynn
>
>Um, with all due respect, piffle....
>
>You don't read for content well, do you? If China or India outbid us
>for the feedstock, whether we are strapped for refinery capacity or
>not makes no difference - we will have nothing to feed them. As long
>as we send our dollars to China and India (along with our jobs), they
>*WILL* be able to outbid us. As long as we send our dollars to Iraq in
>a pointless war while neglecting our children and their education at
>home we will not be able to compete for jobs on an international
>basis. As long as Sony can (and did) spend more money in real dollars
>doing R&D for their next *game* platform than the US Government spent
>on R&D NATIONWIDE in the same timer period, they will continue to eat
>our lunch, get a start on our breakfast and target our dinner.
>
>At $9-$11/gallon, neither supply nor demand will be a problem. That
>gives you the shale, that gives you deep-steam and carbon
>sequestration extraction methods, that even gives you sulphur
>injection methods presently practiced in the Qatif & Hofuf oil fields
>in Saudi, that gives you coal distillation at a practical level...
>
>Do you really want to be like China and compete with Eastern Europe,
>Northern Japan and Central India for the title of most polluted
>country on earth? Do you even begin to understand the implications of
>"global warming" as it actually happens? Extremes of weather are the
>_results_ of it. Areas get dry, areas get cold areas get hot - sadly -
>areas that were not that way for 10,000 years before. Global warming
>tends to be followed with an ice-age. Kudzu has reached nothern
>Maryland - it no longer winter-kills. Think about that as you bitch
>about a "record" winter - which it was not.
>
>In general, I would prefer my three grand children to have something
>to enjoy in the future. Oil is far to valuable to burn - it is the
>primary feedstock for too many things for which there are NO
>alternatives -whereas there are many alternatives to consuming fossil
>fuel for mere heat.
>
>BTW, the proven US natural gas reserves within our territorial limits
>are as you describe. However production costs for about 70% of those
>reserves exceeds $5/therm (CCF). That is to get it out of the ground,
>not to the end-user. It's there - but your life-style will change
>substantially before you can afford it.
>
>As George Santayana wrote: Those who do not understand the past are
>condemned to repeat it. Go ahead and look for simplistic, feel-good
>solutions for complex, non-trivial problems. Keep that up and the
>Uniteds States will become a third-world nation (albeit a well-armed
>one) in short order.
>
>Lastly, consider what would happen if the GCC & OPEC were to go off
>the dollar and price oil in Euros - as Kuwait, Iran, Bahrain and Dubai
>want to do right now. THINK on it for a few moments. The implications
>are mind-boggling.
>
>Peter Wieck
>Wyncote, PA
What caused the Ice Age? What caused the warm up after the Ice Age?

I will not argue that the US spends way too many resources as an
energy inefficient nation.

I think you might want to complain more about US stock investors that
are more worried about short term profits instead of spending more on
R&D. The federal government has a role of protecting our borders. I
don't think R&D was in the Constitution.

As long as people continue to be stupid and not insulate their house
properly (cheap fiberglass is a pretty lame insulator), not install
energy efficient HVAC systems like geothermal, buy fuel inefficient
vehicles, dry a mile to eat some crud at a fast food restaurant there
is little hope. I hate the stupid comment of "We need tax breaks to
encourage people to be energy efficient." That is about as stupid a
comment as one could make. Choosing to be an eco-pig cost a person
every month. Every time they pay their fuel bill, electric bill, gas
bill, or propane bill.

Remember your prosperity does not come from Washington. Name a program
Washington has done well. CPSC not so swell. EPA at least has reduced
the number of flammable rivers. DOT has built some handy highways that
allow for more urban sprawl which encouraged greater commuting
distances. Bio fuels caused a significant increase in my dog food up
70% in less than a year.

So what does it matter what currency they use? I buy stuff in Euros
now when I order from overseas. Sometimes in dollars. America is on
its way to being a second tier country now. China and India are well
on their way to being superpowers. Maybe not the military power of the
US but certainly their populations will be more economically powerful
as they become more capitalist.
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In article <vf2dndqz77BigUbanZ2dnUVZ_qelnZ2d.TakeThisOut@comcast.com>, "Erik Dillenkofer" <lifeguard1974.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Hmmm - I thought diesel cost more than gas because being less refined, it
>has more product left in it (since they take less out) ... so I'm getting
>more for my money!
>
>(Yes, I'm just kidding.)

Well you do get more energy in diesel then in gasoline, but of course that
isn't the reason for the price spread. Wish it was. In fact one neat thing
with the summer formulation the energy in diesel increases slightly so you
get a bit more at the pump where as the gasoline crowd due to the increased
evaporation and thermal expansion (this happens with diesel as well but the
effect is smaller) they get less gasoline for the dollar in the summer then
in winter all other factors being the same. Summer when you run the AC in
your TDi also lines with when diesel is cheapest. A nice little irony.
>
>"Lynn McGuire" <lmc.TakeThisOut@winsim.com> wrote in message
>news:13tll86c537jlea@news.supernews.com...
>>> ANWR (Alaskan Wildlife Sanctuary unproven reserves) would cost between
>>> FIVE and TEN BILLION dollars and between five and seven years to
>>> exploit. The total anticipated reserves based on the most optimistic
>>> DOE figures would last the United States nineteen (19) months at
>>> present consumption. The United States sits on 5% of the world's total
>>> proven reserves within its territory or territorial waters.
>>
>> Proven reserves of oil. You forgot our proven reserves
>> of natural gas (100 years at current usage rate) and
>> coal (300 years at current rate). You also forgot the
>> Oil Shale in the Rocky Mountains (estimated 1000 years
>> of oil at current rate of usage of oil in USA). We
>> just need to figure out how to extract that oil from
>> the shale.
>>
>> ANWR is just part of the answer to a large and complex
>> problem. If we dont do it now then we will regret this
>> in a couple of years (I can hardly wait to stand in line
>> for gasoline again, 1873, 1975, 1979 and post-Rita were
>> enough for me. Dont forgot the shallow water oil and gas
>> in the shelves off the Florida and California coasts that
>> is verboten from drilling for right now.
>>
>>> Refinery capacity is the very least of our problems...
>>
>> Then why is Diesel priced so high over gasoline right
>> now ? Answer, there is a shortage of Diesel in the USA
>> because the refineries had to make extra heating oil in
>> January due to the extreme winter we had (global warming
>> strikes again).
>>
>> Lynn
>
>

fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
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