TDCi 54 plate starting problems

"Paul Johnson" <validatpart RemoveThis @yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hi all-have done about 40k in this car and have no real problems-
> however for some reason the car will start and then shake violently or
> just simply will not start-then I leave it for a few seconds and it
> starts?? Is this a serious problem waiting to occur? It never happens
> when starting from cold so am unsure.
> Thanks alot.

Pretty common this. Software remap.The problem is caused by a slow buildup
of pump pressure and the ECU instructing the engine to fire slightly too
early before fuel pressure is high enough. The remap basically allows 3 more
revolutions before the injectors fire.

If this does not cure it, have the dealer check the rail pressure sensor,
and the pump pressure.

Tim..
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Paul Johnson wrote:

> On 7 May, 22:51, "Tim.." <the.farm....DeleteThis@spam.btinternet.com> wrote:
>> "Paul Johnson" <validatp....DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1178572208.754701.310660@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Hi all-have done about 40k in this car and have no real problems-
>> > however for some reason the car will start and then shake violently or
>> > just simply will not start-then I leave it for a few seconds and it
>> > starts?? Is this a serious problem waiting to occur? It never happens
>> > when starting from cold so am unsure.
>> > Thanks alot.
>>
>> Pretty common this. Software remap.The problem is caused by a slow
>> buildup of pump pressure and the ECU instructing the engine to fire
>> slightly too early before fuel pressure is high enough. The remap
>> basically allows 3 more revolutions before the injectors fire.
>>
>> If this does not cure it, have the dealer check the rail pressure sensor,
>> and the pump pressure.
>>
>> Tim..
>
> Thanks alot for that-have you a rough idea how much it will cost?

It's still under warranty, surely?

Chris

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On 8 May, 08:23, Chris Whelan <cawhe....TakeThisOut@prejudicentlworld.com> wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On 7 May, 22:51, "Tim.." <the.farm....TakeThisOut@spam.btinternet.com> wrote:
> >> "Paul Johnson" <validatp....TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1178572208.754701.310660@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > Hi all-have done about 40k in this car and have no real problems-
> >> > however for some reason the car will start and then shake violently or
> >> > just simply will not start-then I leave it for a few seconds and it
> >> > starts?? Is this a serious problem waiting to occur? It never happens
> >> > when starting from cold so am unsure.
> >> > Thanks alot.
>
> >> Pretty common this. Software remap.The problem is caused by a slow
> >> buildup of pump pressure and the ECU instructing the engine to fire
> >> slightly too early before fuel pressure is high enough. The remap
> >> basically allows 3 more revolutions before the injectors fire.
>
> >> If this does not cure it, have the dealer check the rail pressure sensor,
> >> and the pump pressure.
>
> >> Tim..
>
> > Thanks alot for that-have you a rough idea how much it will cost?
>
> It's still under warranty, surely?
>
> Chris
>
> --
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I have a problem in so much as I got my servicing done from a local
garage=who i thought used Ford parts-they are arguing with the
Dealership saying they did and vice versa-so I dont know where I stand-
the problem was I had taken it in several times for the same problem-
then on maybe the fourth occasion I was told it was my clutch-so I
paid Ford for a new clutch but the problem was still there-is it worth
just getting rid? I am looking at a Kia Rio or similar-any one know
anything abot them?
Thanks
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On 8 May, 22:11, Chris Whelan <cawhe....TakeThisOut@prejudicentlworld.com> wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > I am looking at a Kia Rio or similar-any one know
> > anything abot them?
>
> Yes. A three-year old Focus with some running difficulties is about a
> million times better than a new Rio.
>
> Chris
>
> --
> Remove prejudice to reply.

Lol-thanks chaps,I will defo look at a new Focus now.
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> I am looking at a Kia Rio or similar-any one know
> anything abot them?

Oh.My.God.

Tim.
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Paul Johnson wrote:

[...]

> I am looking at a Kia Rio or similar-any one know
> anything abot them?

Yes. A three-year old Focus with some running difficulties is about a
million times better than a new Rio.

Chris

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"Paul Johnson" <validatpart.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 8 May, 22:11, Chris Whelan <cawhe....TakeThisOut@prejudicentlworld.com> wrote:
>> Paul Johnson wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> > I am looking at a Kia Rio or similar-any one know
>> > anything abot them?
>>
>> Yes. A three-year old Focus with some running difficulties is about a
>> million times better than a new Rio.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> --
>> Remove prejudice to reply.
>
> Lol-thanks chaps,I will defo look at a new Focus now.

Seriously a Kia Rio is about as low as one can go on the car ladder by
several orders of magnitude!!!!! Kia make / have made some reasonable budget
motors, (and a very desirable 4x4) but the Rio is a total abortion.

Tim.
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On 9 May, 09:05, "Tim.." <the.farm....DeleteThis@spam.btinternet.com> wrote:
> "Paul Johnson" <validatp....DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:1178663519.379144.18310@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On 8 May, 22:11, Chris Whelan <cawhe....DeleteThis@prejudicentlworld.com> wrote:
> >> Paul Johnson wrote:
>
> >> [...]
>
> >> > I am looking at a Kia Rio or similar-any one know
> >> > anything abot them?
>
> >> Yes. A three-year old Focus with some running difficulties is about a
> >> million times better than a new Rio.
>
> >> Chris
>
> >> --
> >> Remove prejudice to reply.
>
> > Lol-thanks chaps,I will defo look at a new Focus now.
>
> Seriously a Kia Rio is about as low as one can go on the car ladder by
> several orders of magnitude!!!!! Kia make / have made some reasonable budget
> motors, (and a very desirable 4x4) but the Rio is a total abortion.
>
> Tim.

what do you think of the Ceed? I couldnt get the Focus to start this
morning for about 3 or 4 minutes-started then died-once i got it going
it was fine-starting up maybe 40 times throughout the day-do you think
it is just the change in the weather(fingrs crossed) or something
worse?
cheers
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"Paul Johnson" <validatpart.RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 9 May, 09:05, "Tim.." <the.farm....RemoveThis@spam.btinternet.com> wrote:
>> "Paul Johnson" <validatp....RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1178663519.379144.18310@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 8 May, 22:11, Chris Whelan <cawhe....RemoveThis@prejudicentlworld.com> wrote:
>> >> Paul Johnson wrote:
>>
>> >> [...]
>>
>> >> > I am looking at a Kia Rio or similar-any one know
>> >> > anything abot them?
>>
>> >> Yes. A three-year old Focus with some running difficulties is about a
>> >> million times better than a new Rio.
>>
>> >> Chris
>>
>> >> --
>> >> Remove prejudice to reply.
>>
>> > Lol-thanks chaps,I will defo look at a new Focus now.
>>
>> Seriously a Kia Rio is about as low as one can go on the car ladder by
>> several orders of magnitude!!!!! Kia make / have made some reasonable
>> budget
>> motors, (and a very desirable 4x4) but the Rio is a total abortion.
>>
>> Tim.
>
> what do you think of the Ceed? I couldnt get the Focus to start this
> morning for about 3 or 4 minutes-started then died-once i got it going
> it was fine-starting up maybe 40 times throughout the day-do you think
> it is just the change in the weather(fingrs crossed) or something
> worse?


Get it over to your local Dealer (if he is anygood-might be a problem
there!) tell them to run a diagnositic check, upload the latest ECU
calibration, check the EGR valve is the latest version / not stuck, and keep
it over night and see if it starts the next morning from cold.

Tim..
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On 10 May, 09:07, "Tim.." <the.farm....DeleteThis@spam.btinternet.com> wrote:
> "Paul Johnson" <validatp....DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:1178780349.124380.170490@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On 9 May, 09:05, "Tim.." <the.farm....DeleteThis@spam.btinternet.com> wrote:
> >> "Paul Johnson" <validatp....DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1178663519.379144.18310@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On 8 May, 22:11, Chris Whelan <cawhe....DeleteThis@prejudicentlworld.com> wrote:
> >> >> Paul Johnson wrote:
>
> >> >> [...]
>
> >> >> > I am looking at a Kia Rio or similar-any one know
> >> >> > anything abot them?
>
> >> >> Yes. A three-year old Focus with some running difficulties is about a
> >> >> million times better than a new Rio.
>
> >> >> Chris
>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Remove prejudice to reply.
>
> >> > Lol-thanks chaps,I will defo look at a new Focus now.
>
> >> Seriously a Kia Rio is about as low as one can go on the car ladder by
> >> several orders of magnitude!!!!! Kia make / have made some reasonable
> >> budget
> >> motors, (and a very desirable 4x4) but the Rio is a total abortion.
>
> >> Tim.
>
> > what do you think of the Ceed? I couldnt get the Focus to start this
> > morning for about 3 or 4 minutes-started then died-once i got it going
> > it was fine-starting up maybe 40 times throughout the day-do you think
> > it is just the change in the weather(fingrs crossed) or something
> > worse?
>
> Get it over to your local Dealer (if he is anygood-might be a problem
> there!) tell them to run a diagnositic check, upload the latest ECU
> calibration, check the EGR valve is the latest version / not stuck, and keep
> it over night and see if it starts the next morning from cold.
>
> Tim..

NIce one for that will do-any idea of the price they should charge for
it? I am thinking of ringing the RAC who I have cover with and getting
them to come out and check it-do they carry a computer to carry out
this check?
Today it has been fine -started first time this morning -I filled up
with Bio diesel last week though-but I try and alternate.
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Paul Johnson wrote:

[...]
>
> NIce one for that will do-any idea of the price they should charge for
> it? I am thinking of ringing the RAC who I have cover with and getting
> them to come out and check it-do they carry a computer to carry out
> this check?

Unless the vehicle fails to start at all, I doubt that any breakdown service
will be obliged to help you.

There are there for when your car has broken down, meaning it is not
possible for you to drive it to a garage.

If you do catch one on a good day, all he would be able to do is read the
fault codes for you. Both AA and RAC carry laptops able to do this.

Without wishing to add to your grief, perhaps this is a lesson learnt about
proper, manufacturer approved servicing?

Chris

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"Paul Johnson" <validatpart.DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 10 May, 09:07, "Tim.." <the.farm....DeleteThis@spam.btinternet.com> wrote:
> > "Paul Johnson" <validatp....DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1178780349.124380.170490@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 9 May, 09:05, "Tim.." <the.farm....DeleteThis@spam.btinternet.com> wrote:
> > >> "Paul Johnson" <validatp....DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> >
> > >>news:1178663519.379144.18310@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > >> > On 8 May, 22:11, Chris Whelan <cawhe....DeleteThis@prejudicentlworld.com>
wrote:
> > >> >> Paul Johnson wrote:
> >
> > >> >> [...]
> >
> > >> >> > I am looking at a Kia Rio or similar-any one know
> > >> >> > anything abot them?
> >
> > >> >> Yes. A three-year old Focus with some running difficulties is
about a
> > >> >> million times better than a new Rio.
> >
> > >> >> Chris
> >
> > >> >> --
> > >> >> Remove prejudice to reply.
> >
> > >> > Lol-thanks chaps,I will defo look at a new Focus now.
> >
> > >> Seriously a Kia Rio is about as low as one can go on the car ladder
by
> > >> several orders of magnitude!!!!! Kia make / have made some reasonable
> > >> budget
> > >> motors, (and a very desirable 4x4) but the Rio is a total abortion.
> >
> > >> Tim.
> >
> > > what do you think of the Ceed? I couldnt get the Focus to start this
> > > morning for about 3 or 4 minutes-started then died-once i got it going
> > > it was fine-starting up maybe 40 times throughout the day-do you think
> > > it is just the change in the weather(fingrs crossed) or something
> > > worse?
> >
> > Get it over to your local Dealer (if he is anygood-might be a problem
> > there!) tell them to run a diagnositic check, upload the latest ECU
> > calibration, check the EGR valve is the latest version / not stuck, and
keep
> > it over night and see if it starts the next morning from cold.
> >
> > Tim..
>
> NIce one for that will do-any idea of the price they should charge for
> it? I am thinking of ringing the RAC who I have cover with and getting
> them to come out and check it-do they carry a computer to carry out
> this check?
> Today it has been fine -started first time this morning -I filled up
> with Bio diesel last week though-but I try and alternate.
>

Ford claim that use of any more than 5% biodiesel will void the warranty on
this engine.
I know you are not (currently) raising this as a warranty issue but I assume
they don't favour bio D??

Bob
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On 10 May, 18:54, Chris Whelan <cawhe... DeleteThis @prejudicentlworld.com> wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>
>
> > NIce one for that will do-any idea of the price they should charge for
> > it? I am thinking of ringing the RAC who I have cover with and getting
> > them to come out and check it-do they carry a computer to carry out
> > this check?
>
> Unless the vehicle fails to start at all, I doubt that any breakdown service
> will be obliged to help you.
>
> There are there for when your car has broken down, meaning it is not
> possible for you to drive it to a garage.
>
> If you do catch one on a good day, all he would be able to do is read the
> fault codes for you. Both AA and RAC carry laptops able to do this.
>
> Without wishing to add to your grief, perhaps this is a lesson learnt about
> proper, manufacturer approved servicing?
>
> Chris
>
> --
> Remove prejudice to reply.

Very true-penny wise -pound foolish.
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