Synthetic oil in hybrid

If your 7500 interval is true, then Hondas, GMs, VWs and many others
will be sludging up with 10,000-15,000 mile oil intervals. So have you
heard any dealer-maintained Hondas sludge up? NO! But dealer
maintained Toyotas had sludged up.



On Apr 16, 10:47 pm, "Mark A" <nob....DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote:
> My interval is not out of date. I said that people with sludge do not change
> their oil at least every 7500 miles. It doesn't matter what Toyota says, I
> was talking about reality of how often people with sludge change their oil
> (or never change it).
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No, Toyota/Lexus interval after 2004 *is* 5000 miles. Look up the
latest schedule on toyota.com. You go 5001 miles technically your
warranty is void.

Toyota seems to having engineering problems with the latest engine and
transmission (U series) designs. It seems today's strict emissions
demands are way above what they are capable of. Owners will have
benefits in using synthetics in a Toyota, but Toyotas aren't designed
for extended drain intervals. Only up to 5000 miles or your warranty
is void.

Volvo is a great chassis maker with excellent safety features, their
XC90 being a good example with its stability control. However, they
buy their turbo engines from a US compnay, maybe Continental or
something like that.

True luxury cars -- many European cars now use 15,000 mile type of
intervals. I mentioned BMW high specification LL-01/04 oils. So which
cars got these intervals? Hint. Hint. And the accelerator pedal
controls continuously variable valve lift to accelerate, not the
opening of throttle plates.



On Apr 17, 6:36 am, ransley <Mark_Rans....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I didnt know 15000 existed, and I dont mean toyota by itself, my Volvo
> is at 7500 but I have seen the oil look totaly black at 2000 in winter
> -city driving and ok at 4500 in city hwy driving. It comes down to a
> person knowing how oil should look and setting their own schedule
> based upon how he drives. In my city area its 3- 5000, in the country
> it should be alot more. Severe driving conditions is what all overlook
> and its how most of the US drives. City, short trip use is severe.
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Great discussion guys. I think Route101 is long gone.


On Apr 17, 4:40 pm, "Mark A" <nob... DeleteThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> 1. What makes you think a service advisor is a genius when it comes to auto
> maintenance.
>
> 2. What possible benefit is there for any Toyota employee in recommending
> anything but factory fill. I suspect they have told to always recommend OEM
> parts and replacement fluids, even if better ones may exist.
>
> 3. No offense, but I don't think that anyone who not used both conventional
> and synthetic oils (over significant periods of time) is qualified to pass
> judgment on this debate.
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>"ransley" <Mark_Ransley.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>Ok sorry, for my type of city driving I cant go 7500 , I cant go 5000.

I am not recommending a 7500 oil change interval. All I said is that people
who get sludge do not change their oil at least every 7500 miles or less.
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"Steve Hiner" <shiner DeleteThis @tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> With all of the problems Toyota and other Manufacture's have seen, there
> must be a reason the service rep is cautioning Route 101 not to use a
> synthetic in the Hybrid, at least at this time. I'm not recommending
> either. I simply stated that a smart person would yield on the side of
> caution. The Hybrid engine is new and it seems there may be or are too
> many variables right now. As time goes by, these variables will disappear
> and a much clearer picture will emerge.
>
> Personally, I have never used a synthetic in my vehicles. Now, that
> doesn't mean I don't like or mistrust synthetic's, I simply enjoy working
> on my vehicles and have never had a sludge or any other problem in 30+
> years. And saved a few bucks along the way.
>
> Now, if Route 101 has the money to spend on a replacement engine, if it
> should blow up due to using a synthetic, then by all means use a
> synthetic. If the service rep is just trying to sell their oil change
> service, rather than honest and straight forward advice, then Route 101
> has a decision to make. But, unless I've misread something here, the
> latter seems to be true.

1. What makes you think a service advisor is a genius when it comes to auto
maintenance.

2. What possible benefit is there for any Toyota employee in recommending
anything but factory fill. I suspect they have told to always recommend OEM
parts and replacement fluids, even if better ones may exist.

3. No offense, but I don't think that anyone who not used both conventional
and synthetic oils (over significant periods of time) is qualified to pass
judgment on this debate.
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On Apr 17, 8:14 pm, johngd... DeleteThis @hotmail.com wrote:
> If your 7500 interval is true, then Hondas, GMs, VWs and many others
> will be sludging up with 10,000-15,000 mile oil intervals. So have you
> heard any dealer-maintained Hondas sludge up? NO! But dealer
> maintained Toyotas had sludged up.
>
> On Apr 16, 10:47 pm, "Mark A" <nob... DeleteThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > My interval is not out of date. I said that people with sludge do not change
> > their oil at least every 7500 miles. It doesn't matter what Toyota says, I
> > was talking about reality of how often people with sludge change their oil
> > (or never change it).- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

What I cant figure is how can change intervals have increased over the
years for some cars when my oil, Mobil one looks pretty bad at 5000,
15000 , it just sounds wrong, I mean they dont hold 5 gallons of oil
or have giant truck filters, and they are gasolene motors. I would
never feel safe waiting that long. If some state 15000 thats a car I
would never buy used as you know the seller went at least 15000. I
skipped one filter change once, when I changed it with maybe 8000 on
it it was realy sludged up, to me, 3-5000 is still the way to go no
matter what oil is used, for all cars. After all it still is a
gasolene motor.
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Nope, still around. Don't post much, just lurk a lot. Thanks. I'm using 5W20
synthetic oil and Purolator Pure One or Bosch Premium oil filter, changing
within 5k miles.

Speaking of filters, several years back (late 80s - 90s) I was advised by a
Toyota service person to use only Toyota filters, because they have O-ring
gaskets capable of handling the higher oil pressures than the flat gaskets
on aftermarket filters. Never did any research to follow up on that.
However, it would seem that if the filter is not leaking any oil, the flat
gasket is working fine.
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<johngdole DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Great discussion guys. I think Route101 is long gone.
>
>
> On Apr 17, 4:40 pm, "Mark A" <nob... DeleteThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>> 1. What makes you think a service advisor is a genius when it comes to
>> auto
>> maintenance.
>>
>> 2. What possible benefit is there for any Toyota employee in recommending
>> anything but factory fill. I suspect they have told to always recommend
>> OEM
>> parts and replacement fluids, even if better ones may exist.
>>
>> 3. No offense, but I don't think that anyone who not used both
>> conventional
>> and synthetic oils (over significant periods of time) is qualified to
>> pass
>> judgment on this debate.
>
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<johngdole.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> If your 7500 interval is true, then Hondas, GMs, VWs and many others
> will be sludging up with 10,000-15,000 mile oil intervals. So have you
> heard any dealer-maintained Hondas sludge up? NO! But dealer
> maintained Toyotas had sludged up.

What is a dealer maintained Toyota? Is the oil replaced at least every 5000
miles?

Actually, I have been using Mobil 1 Full Synthetic in my 98 V6 since first
oil change and have had no problems (obviously). Engine still runs
perfectly. I don't really understand why in the 21st century people are not
using full synthetic oils.

Probably most Toyota employees are using full synthetics despite what they
recommend to customers (just like Ray O.).
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<johngdole.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> No, Toyota/Lexus interval after 2004 *is* 5000 miles. Look up the
> latest schedule on toyota.com. You go 5001 miles technically your
> warranty is void.

That is only the case if they can reasonably show that damage occurred
because of lack of more frequent oil change. If a problem occurs that has
nothing to do with an oil change, it has no bearing on the warranty.

> Volvo is a great chassis maker with excellent safety features, their
> XC90 being a good example with its stability control. However, they
> buy their turbo engines from a US compnay, maybe Continental or
> something like that.

Ford has owned Volvo (passenger vehicles) since about 2000.
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Not intending to change the thread slightly, but just wondering if any
of you here have heard about the intercharger gadget. It is fitted in
the crankcase vent air intake/exhaust area, not sure just exactly
where. Theoretically it's suppose to cool down this air so more
unburnt fuel is consumed and cleans up the oil and emissions.
Incidently, I'm not selling this and no intentions of trying, just
need a rebuttal for my coffee buddies.
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On Apr 18, 1:49 pm, rhiebert <rudyxhieb....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Not intending to change the thread slightly, but just wondering if any
> of you here have heard about the intercharger gadget. It is fitted in
> the crankcase vent air intake/exhaust area, not sure just exactly
> where. Theoretically it's suppose to cool down this air so more
> unburnt fuel is consumed and cleans up the oil and emissions.
> Incidently, I'm not selling this and no intentions of trying, just
> need a rebuttal for my coffee buddies.

Cars already pull air through the crankcase to burn blowby gasses,
which increases mpg, oil life and reduces pollution, a cold motor cant
cook polutants out of oil very fast. The warmer the oil the quicker
pollutants are removed from it, an important one is water, which
trashes oil quickly. Drive a mile a day at -20 to -0f and oil will be
junk in 2000 miles.
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I agree with you on the oil intervals on cars for the masses, like
Toyotas. Oil looks bad to my taste at 4000 miles already most highway.
You know the Mobil-1 5W-30 doesn't make the BMW LL01 cut, but it's
0W-40 does!

Today, better gasoline (Top Tier, toptiergas.com) and oils (such as
BMW high specification LL01/04), tight engineering tolerances
(bearing, ring oil clearances etc), better metallurgy (a piston
doesn't expand much heating up, like the famed Mahle), fuel
atomization and whole bunch of other factors you can google all day
will help in reducing soot loading the oil and other oil stresses like
blowby fuel dilution etc..

Extended drain intervals cars like VWs, Audis, BMW, Mercedes etc
typically have larger crankcases and the oils need to be designed to
work with the oil filters to reduce filter loading during the long
service interval. Castrol's website describes how they work with BMW
on this issue.

That's why I say don't play the extended drain game with Toyotas.
Toyotas are NOT designed for extended oil drain intervals. People WILL
benefit from using synthetics especially the Group IV/V, but only up
to the recommended interval (quite often less than that in lesser
cars). Note that in many countries Group III hydrocracked "synthetics"
CANNOT be called synthetics.

US EPA has an aritcle on oil life extension, you can look at some of
the factors that reduce oil life and deduce factors that will hurt oil
life on the oil and engine sides.

http://www.epa.gov/region09/waste/p2/autofleet/oil.pdf



On Apr 17, 8:25 pm, ransley <Mark_Rans... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> What I cant figure is how can change intervals have increased over the
> years for some cars when my oil, Mobil one looks pretty bad at 5000,
> 15000 , it just sounds wrong, I mean they dont hold 5 gallons of oil
> or have giant truck filters, and they are gasolene motors. I would
> never feel safe waiting that long. If some state 15000 thats a car I
> would never buy used as you know the seller went at least 15000. I
> skipped one filter change once, when I changed it with maybe 8000 on
> it it was realy sludged up, to me, 3-5000 is still the way to go no
> matter what oil is used, for all cars. After all it still is a
> gasolene motor.
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I know Asian and European cars have weird shaped gaskets (more semi-
circular than flat). Flat gaskets have worked fine for me. I never had
a filter gasket leak and don't know anyone who did, really.

Now more and more cars use only replacement filter media in a reusable
filter housing (European mostly). These use pretty standard looking o-
rings for seals. This certainly helps reduce shipping weight and also
reduced used filter waste, but the boxes need to be handled with more
care otherwise you crush the filter.

So I always use a synthetic blend media filter, and not the cheaper,
thinner paper filters that filter down to only 20-25 microns.



On Apr 17, 8:28 pm, "Route 101�" <as....DeleteThis@for.it> wrote:
> Speaking of filters, several years back (late 80s - 90s) I was advised by a
> Toyota service person to use only Toyota filters, because they have O-ring
> gaskets capable of handling the higher oil pressures than the flat gaskets
> on aftermarket filters. Never did any research to follow up on that.
> However, it would seem that if the filter is not leaking any oil, the flat
> gasket is working fine.
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