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Since: Feb 24, 2008
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:53 pm
Post subject: Strange Clutch Problem
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Hi Guys, Wondering of anyone can enlighten me on a clutch problem I'm
encountering with my 59' Lark. It has the 6 cylinder engine with a 3
speed (no OD). I noticed that the point of engagement for the cluth
was becoming lower and lower (to the floorboard), so I adjusted the
released rod on the linkage as the shop manual instructs. That
adjustment eld fine for a couple of weeks, during which the point of
engagement once again, became lower and lower to the floorboard. I
once again adjusted it, however this time, it sank back down to the
previous low level with about 10 applications of the clutch! Rather
than keep adjusting it further and further, I am wondering what could
be causing the clutch to keep going lower and lower simply by applying
the clutch pedal? I'm not 100% certain on the precise mechanics of
how the clutch on my Lark operates, other than I know the pressure
plate is pulled back away from the driven plate to make or break the
engagement. Is it probable that the pedal linkage is worn down and
requires attention, or is there something within the internal clutch
itself that would cause this condition?
Any thoughts or suggestions?
Thanks,
-George-
-59 Lark Regal
-63 GT Hawk
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Since: Jan 27, 2007
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:59 am
Post subject: Re: Strange Clutch Problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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90% of the the time, it is a failure OUTSIDE the bell housing, usually
the shaft lever outside of the coupler with clevis pins. Alson the
coupler itself can crack and fail. I experienced both with my old Avanti.
JT
reichsrundfunk wrote:
> Hi Guys, Wondering of anyone can enlighten me on a clutch problem I'm
> encountering with my 59' Lark. It has the 6 cylinder engine with a 3
> speed (no OD). I noticed that the point of engagement for the cluth
> was becoming lower and lower (to the floorboard), so I adjusted the
> released rod on the linkage as the shop manual instructs. That
> adjustment eld fine for a couple of weeks, during which the point of
> engagement once again, became lower and lower to the floorboard. I
> once again adjusted it, however this time, it sank back down to the
> previous low level with about 10 applications of the clutch! Rather
> than keep adjusting it further and further, I am wondering what could
> be causing the clutch to keep going lower and lower simply by applying
> the clutch pedal? I'm not 100% certain on the precise mechanics of
> how the clutch on my Lark operates, other than I know the pressure
> plate is pulled back away from the driven plate to make or break the
> engagement. Is it probable that the pedal linkage is worn down and
> requires attention, or is there something within the internal clutch
> itself that would cause this condition?
>
> Any thoughts or suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> -George-
> -59 Lark Regal
> -63 GT Hawk
> -63 Champ Pickup |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:39 am
Post subject: Re: Strange Clutch Problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Exactly what I was going to say... Check the pins on the cross shaft
between the frame and bellhousing. I've fixed a few of those
failures.
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:13:35 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire
<Grumpy.RemoveThis@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote:
>90% of the the time, it is a failure OUTSIDE the bell housing, usually
>the shaft lever outside of the coupler with clevis pins. Alson the
>coupler itself can crack and fail. I experienced both with my old Avanti.
>
>JT
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>reichsrundfunk wrote:
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>> Hi Guys, Wondering of anyone can enlighten me on a clutch problem I'm
>> encountering with my 59' Lark. It has the 6 cylinder engine with a 3
>> speed (no OD). I noticed that the point of engagement for the cluth
>> was becoming lower and lower (to the floorboard), so I adjusted the
>> released rod on the linkage as the shop manual instructs. That
>> adjustment eld fine for a couple of weeks, during which the point of
>> engagement once again, became lower and lower to the floorboard. I
>> once again adjusted it, however this time, it sank back down to the
>> previous low level with about 10 applications of the clutch! Rather
>> than keep adjusting it further and further, I am wondering what could
>> be causing the clutch to keep going lower and lower simply by applying
>> the clutch pedal? I'm not 100% certain on the precise mechanics of
>> how the clutch on my Lark operates, other than I know the pressure
>> plate is pulled back away from the driven plate to make or break the
>> engagement. Is it probable that the pedal linkage is worn down and
>> requires attention, or is there something within the internal clutch
>> itself that would cause this condition?
>>
>> Any thoughts or suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -George-
>> -59 Lark Regal
>> -63 GT Hawk
>> -63 Champ Pickup
Lee DeLaBarre
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:39 am
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You may eventually need to remove the bell housing, to see if the
spline has stripped where the two uprights (holding the throwout
bearing) attach to the round shaft. This is a common failure, usually
more so, with a pressure plate with heavy springs. Once repositioned,
it can be welded. >> Stay informed about: Strange Clutch Problem |
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Since: Feb 24, 2008
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:25 pm
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On Feb 25, 9:39 am, keith_kichef....DeleteThis@wed.dresser.com wrote:
> You may eventually need to remove the bell housing, to see if the
> spline has stripped where the two uprights (holding the throwout
> bearing) attach to the round shaft. This is a common failure, usually
> more so, with a pressure plate with heavy springs. Once repositioned,
> it can be welded.
Hi All, hanks for your input. I am going to be positive and go with
checking the clevis pins First. It seems to me that if the splines
were stripped or stripping, you would feel it suddenly giving as it
jumped from one plie to the next, so to speak. But it gives me
directions any way!
-George-
-59 Lark
-63 GT Hawk
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:59 am
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I've never had a clevis pin failure but several cracked couplers and
tabs of the shaft(s) that began to rotate..
JT
Lee wrote:
> Exactly what I was going to say... Check the pins on the cross shaft
> between the frame and bellhousing. I've fixed a few of those
> failures.
>
> On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:13:35 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire
> <Grumpy DeleteThis @ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote:
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>>90% of the the time, it is a failure OUTSIDE the bell housing, usually
>>the shaft lever outside of the coupler with clevis pins. Alson the
>>coupler itself can crack and fail. I experienced both with my old Avanti.
>>
>>JT
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>>reichsrundfunk wrote:
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>>>Hi Guys, Wondering of anyone can enlighten me on a clutch problem I'm
>>>encountering with my 59' Lark. It has the 6 cylinder engine with a 3
>>>speed (no OD). I noticed that the point of engagement for the cluth
>>>was becoming lower and lower (to the floorboard), so I adjusted the
>>>released rod on the linkage as the shop manual instructs. That
>>>adjustment eld fine for a couple of weeks, during which the point of
>>>engagement once again, became lower and lower to the floorboard. I
>>>once again adjusted it, however this time, it sank back down to the
>>>previous low level with about 10 applications of the clutch! Rather
>>>than keep adjusting it further and further, I am wondering what could
>>>be causing the clutch to keep going lower and lower simply by applying
>>>the clutch pedal? I'm not 100% certain on the precise mechanics of
>>>how the clutch on my Lark operates, other than I know the pressure
>>>plate is pulled back away from the driven plate to make or break the
>>>engagement. Is it probable that the pedal linkage is worn down and
>>>requires attention, or is there something within the internal clutch
>>>itself that would cause this condition?
>>>
>>>Any thoughts or suggestions?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>-George-
>>>-59 Lark Regal
>>>-63 GT Hawk
>>>-63 Champ Pickup
>
>
> Lee DeLaBarre
> Daytona62 >> Stay informed about: Strange Clutch Problem |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:59 am
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They don't "jump" from spline to spline, the shaft/tab simply begins to
slip.
Internal bell housing failures are rare in my experience.
JT
reichsrundfunk wrote:
> On Feb 25, 9:39 am, keith_kichef....TakeThisOut@wed.dresser.com wrote:
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>>You may eventually need to remove the bell housing, to see if the
>>spline has stripped where the two uprights (holding the throwout
>>bearing) attach to the round shaft. This is a common failure, usually
>>more so, with a pressure plate with heavy springs. Once repositioned,
>>it can be welded.
>
>
> Hi All, hanks for your input. I am going to be positive and go with
> checking the clevis pins First. It seems to me that if the splines
> were stripped or stripping, you would feel it suddenly giving as it
> jumped from one plie to the next, so to speak. But it gives me
> directions any way!
> -George-
> -59 Lark
> -63 GT Hawk
> -63 Champ >> Stay informed about: Strange Clutch Problem |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:02 am
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Ahh, gottcha. Well, when I crawl under there and check it all out
I'll let you guys know what I find. IT is good to know it probably
isn't a super major project, anyway.....
-George-
-59 Lark Regal
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:58 pm
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Easiest way is to get it on a lift.
JT
reichsrundfunk wrote:
> Ahh, gottcha. Well, when I crawl under there and check it all out
> I'll let you guys know what I find. IT is good to know it probably
> isn't a super major project, anyway.....
> -George-
> -59 Lark Regal
> -63 GT Hawk
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:58 pm
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"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy DeleteThis @ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
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> I've never had a clevis pin failure but several cracked couplers and tabs
> of the shaft(s) that began to rotate..
>
I have- on my '64 ('63 1/2) Avanti four-speed while driving in LA on my way
to Frost and French. Not much fun killing it at each or the 100 or so
(slight exaggeration) traffic lights then starting up in 1st gear.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:59 am
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Paul Johnson wrote:
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy.RemoveThis@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
> news:QyKwj.256876$MJ6.234457@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
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>>I've never had a clevis pin failure but several cracked couplers and tabs
>>of the shaft(s) that began to rotate..
>>
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> I have- on my '64 ('63 1/2) Avanti four-speed while driving in LA on my way
> to Frost and French. Not much fun killing it at each or the 100 or so
> (slight exaggeration) traffic lights then starting up in 1st gear.
> Paul Johnson
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Heh... I had the same problem, (second time), but had the car flat
bedded to a shop. Once on the lift, I insisted that it was the fork in
the bell housing that failed so out came the tranny. Then, the mechanic
put a large vicegrip on the shaft outside and low 'n behold, fork was
fine. a closer examination revealed where the tab on the outer shaft was
rotating. repositioned the tab and had it heliarc welded, reinstalled
the tranny and lived happily ever until I sold the car several years
later. (First experience was a cracked shaft coupler).
I no longer look for the complex solution but rather eliminate the
simple under-your-nose things that can prove to be embarrasing.
I had similar experience with my old T-Cab but the big problem there was
the piss poor design of the clutch pedals with the shaft weld failing.
Went through three of 'em and vowed never again to have a Stude truck
with a manual tranny...
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