Student Mechanic wrote:
> I own an inexpensive Actron code reader but I know a Tech II
> with CANdi is really necessary to perform the interactive tests
> necessary to efficiently diagnose troubles in OBD-II systems.
>
> Trouble is the price of equipment and updates. Like over $4000
> for a (factory authorized?) Tech II/CANdi and $500 for the
> periodically released update package:
> http://www.ntxtools.com/network-tool-warehouse/OTC-3625-14.html
>
> It's no wonder the GM dealer has to justifiably charge $69/hr.
> But seriously, should this equipment, probably made overseas,
> cost so much? A case could be made that the software, in
> particular, should be open-source or sold at nominal cost to
> customers and the trade. If only GM would not seemingly gouge
> would-be buyers of their stuff.
GM doesn't own or sell ANY of these tools. They are all made by third
party companies.
The only thing GM does is provide updates to sensor tags and changes
that are then added to the next update for the tool.
The software will NEVER be open source, FAR to many ways that could come
back to bite the company. Or the shop owner.
Say you have your "open Source" software but because the software has
been altered it makes the ABS system lock on when the brakes are
applied, Or maybe your local code writer adds a small section of code
that allows anyone to unlock the doors by remote and steal the car?
>
> That said, it is totally out of reach for me, and I presume 99%
> of you too. So, for the 99%, I ask,
If you run a shop these days you either buy a couple good scan tools or
don't bother doing 99% of the work on ANY vehicle.
I have a Tech 2 (fully updated), An older Genisys (fully updated) and a
couple Actrons in the shop. The Actrons are handy for rapid code wipes
if you already think you have the problem repaired. They are also handy
for a quick code pull if you just want an idea of what the problem could
be. The Genisys has better graphics and speed for some items than the T2.
>
> 1. What about the $1000 units on eBay? They're obviously
> replicas made in China. I've heard sometimes replicas of brand-
> name products are produced in the very same factories, after
> hours. Might there be unforeseen consequences associated with
> this kind of transaction?
> 2. Has anyone seen the software published on any warez binary
> group or Torrent?
>
> I hope this newgroup finds this post useful and merits a
> response.
>
> S.M.
>
>
>
EVERY make uses different scan tools.
Unless you will be opening a GM only shop or plan on working on GM only
you would be better off with something like an OTC Genisys or Pegasys.
http://pegisysotc.com/
http://www.genisysotc.com/
They will do pretty much everything a T2 will do (except some items that
you need a dealer code and ID for anyway)
They work on far more vehicles and they are much cheaper overall.
You won't find the software anywhere online. It won't help you if you
could because you also need the unlock cards or codes that are on smart
cards or cartridges to activate the software. Plus it runs ONLY on the
proper hardware.
One thing to watch for on E-Bay is that the tool includes ALL cables and
updates. The cables are EXPENSIVE and the updates are as well. My normal
routine is to buy a tool then update it until the hardware becomes
outdated (speed wise or hardware-interface)
If you think that a scan tool is expensive wait till you start buying
all the tools you will actually need. By the time you get a scan tool, a
TPMS tool and a good scope and DVM you will have around 5-6K spent. Now
plan on around 8-10 K on assorted common hand tools, and add in another
5K for all the model/make specific stuff, and if you start doing
electrical stuff you can add even more.
I figure I have well over 40K in tools and this is just a small shop.
Now add in the training and updates, plus your service manual
subscriptions, building upkeep and overhead and it gets expensive VERY
quick.
Oh and pretty much all the shops will pay you around the same rate.
$10-18.00 an hour unless you have your own shop where you will probably
make less!!!
--
Steve W.
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