Sluggish Laser

"Bob Shuman" <reshuman.DeleteThis@removethis.worldnet.att.net> wrote in
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 > You sure the timing belt is on correctly? Sounds like it may be off a
 > tooth or two causing the retarded timing condition. It may be worth
 > removing the cover to take a look and make sure all the marks are
 > aligned exactly as they should be...
 >
 >
 >
 > "Nirodac Yar" <nirodac.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
 > news:fb0Jd.48561$06.9767@clgrps12...
  >>I need a second opinion.
  >>
  >> 1991 Laser, 1.8 liter, 265,000 Km
  >>
  >> Problem:
  >>
  >> Loss of power when climbing hills.
  >>
  >> Seems to be OK on level roads.
  >>

When I replaced the timing belt (with 120K Km on it), I checked the new one
three times. When I removed the old belt from the balance shaft, it seemed
to be out about 1/2 to 3/4 of a tooth, I aligned all the teeth on all the
sprockets and even rotated the crank by hand to make sure that the markes
lined up on the next revolution (also replaced the tensioners). But I
guess it could still happen. Can this be measured in some way with the
engine running.

Car starts OK, in the morning now. Immediatly after the belt change it
would stall, but it only did it a couple of times and doesn't do it
anymore.

I haven't checked the gas line (pump and filter) or the emissions system
yet.

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You can check it with a timing light. I'm not really familiar with the 1.8L,
but I would bet it is supposed to be 5 degrees of basic timing like all
other Mitsus. You will need to ground the base timing terminal and then
start the car. The terminal is a brown connector behind the battery (check
vfaq.com for more).
--
Todd Honea
"Nirodac" <nirodac RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > "Bob Shuman" <reshuman RemoveThis @removethis.worldnet.att.net> wrote in
 > news:mCgJd.82400$w62.10444@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
 >
  > > You sure the timing belt is on correctly? Sounds like it may be off a
  > > tooth or two causing the retarded timing condition. It may be worth
  > > removing the cover to take a look and make sure all the marks are
  > > aligned exactly as they should be...
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > "Nirodac Yar" <nirodac RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
  > > news:fb0Jd.48561$06.9767@clgrps12...
   > >>I need a second opinion.
   > >>
   > >> 1991 Laser, 1.8 liter, 265,000 Km
   > >>
   > >> Problem:
   > >>
   > >> Loss of power when climbing hills.
   > >>
   > >> Seems to be OK on level roads.
   > >>
 >
 > When I replaced the timing belt (with 120K Km on it), I checked the new
one
 > three times. When I removed the old belt from the balance shaft, it
seemed
 > to be out about 1/2 to 3/4 of a tooth, I aligned all the teeth on all the
 > sprockets and even rotated the crank by hand to make sure that the markes
 > lined up on the next revolution (also replaced the tensioners). But I
 > guess it could still happen. Can this be measured in some way with the
 > engine running.
 >
 > Car starts OK, in the morning now. Immediatly after the belt change it
 > would stall, but it only did it a couple of times and doesn't do it
 > anymore.
 >
 > I haven't checked the gas line (pump and filter) or the emissions system
 > yet.
 >
 > Thanks for all the input, now I have something to check.
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Yea, it occured to me after I sent the post that a timing light would work.
Actually I had though of measureing the output of the TDC sensor, then
looking for the timming mark on the pulley. Then the light when on and
said,just use a timing light, god I hate old age.
Sometimes I get to complicated for my own good.
But I didn't know about the connector by the battery. My history is with
old American V8's.



"Nobody U. Know" <nobody.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OHpJd.24007$QC5.19069@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
 > You can check it with a timing light. I'm not really familiar with the
1.8L,
 > but I would bet it is supposed to be 5 degrees of basic timing like all
 > other Mitsus. You will need to ground the base timing terminal and then
 > start the car. The terminal is a brown connector behind the battery (check
 > vfaq.com for more).
 > --
 > Todd Honea
 > "Nirodac" <nirodac.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
 > news:Xns95E8C5AF482FBnirodachotmailcom@198.80.55.250...
  > > "Bob Shuman" <reshuman.TakeThisOut@removethis.worldnet.att.net> wrote in
  > > news:mCgJd.82400$w62.10444@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
  > >
   > > > You sure the timing belt is on correctly? Sounds like it may be off a
   > > > tooth or two causing the retarded timing condition. It may be worth
   > > > removing the cover to take a look and make sure all the marks are
   > > > aligned exactly as they should be...
   > > >
   > > >
   > > >
   > > > "Nirodac Yar" <nirodac.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
   > > > news:fb0Jd.48561$06.9767@clgrps12...
   > > >>I need a second opinion.
   > > >>
   > > >> 1991 Laser, 1.8 liter, 265,000 Km
   > > >>
   > > >> Problem:
   > > >>
   > > >> Loss of power when climbing hills.
   > > >>
   > > >> Seems to be OK on level roads.
   > > >>
  > >
  > > When I replaced the timing belt (with 120K Km on it), I checked the new
 > one
  > > three times. When I removed the old belt from the balance shaft, it
 > seemed
  > > to be out about 1/2 to 3/4 of a tooth, I aligned all the teeth on all
the
  > > sprockets and even rotated the crank by hand to make sure that the
markes
  > > lined up on the next revolution (also replaced the tensioners). But I
  > > guess it could still happen. Can this be measured in some way with the
  > > engine running.
  > >
  > > Car starts OK, in the morning now. Immediatly after the belt change it
  > > would stall, but it only did it a couple of times and doesn't do it
  > > anymore.
  > >
  > > I haven't checked the gas line (pump and filter) or the emissions
system
  > > yet.
  > >
  > > Thanks for all the input, now I have something to check.
  > >
 >
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If you don't ground that connector, it will vary a bit and be about 15
degrees. I had a similar problem with my GT/VR4 and I had it off a tooth on
the crank. It was obvious with the timing light. The good thing was it was
very easy to loosen and slip it back into time. It's not as bad as a whole
timing belt job.

--
Todd Honea
"Nirodac Yar" <nirodac DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6SCJd.149642$KO5.135253@clgrps13...
 > Yea, it occured to me after I sent the post that a timing light would
work.
 > Actually I had though of measureing the output of the TDC sensor, then
 > looking for the timming mark on the pulley. Then the light when on and
 > said,just use a timing light, god I hate old age.
 > Sometimes I get to complicated for my own good.
 > But I didn't know about the connector by the battery. My history is with
 > old American V8's.
 >
 >
 >
 > "Nobody U. Know" <nobody DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
 > news:OHpJd.24007$QC5.19069@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
  > > You can check it with a timing light. I'm not really familiar with the
 > 1.8L,
  > > but I would bet it is supposed to be 5 degrees of basic timing like all
  > > other Mitsus. You will need to ground the base timing terminal and then
  > > start the car. The terminal is a brown connector behind the battery
(check
  > > vfaq.com for more).
  > > --
  > > Todd Honea
  > > "Nirodac" <nirodac DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
  > > news:Xns95E8C5AF482FBnirodachotmailcom@198.80.55.250...
   > > > "Bob Shuman" <reshuman DeleteThis @removethis.worldnet.att.net> wrote in
   > > > news:mCgJd.82400$w62.10444@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
   > > >
   > > > > You sure the timing belt is on correctly? Sounds like it may be off
a
   > > > > tooth or two causing the retarded timing condition. It may be worth
   > > > > removing the cover to take a look and make sure all the marks are
   > > > > aligned exactly as they should be...
   > > > >
   > > > >
   > > > >
   > > > > "Nirodac Yar" <nirodac DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
   > > > > news:fb0Jd.48561$06.9767@clgrps12...
   > > > >>I need a second opinion.
   > > > >>
   > > > >> 1991 Laser, 1.8 liter, 265,000 Km
   > > > >>
   > > > >> Problem:
   > > > >>
   > > > >> Loss of power when climbing hills.
   > > > >>
   > > > >> Seems to be OK on level roads.
   > > > >>
   > > >
   > > > When I replaced the timing belt (with 120K Km on it), I checked the
new
  > > one
   > > > three times. When I removed the old belt from the balance shaft, it
  > > seemed
   > > > to be out about 1/2 to 3/4 of a tooth, I aligned all the teeth on all
 > the
   > > > sprockets and even rotated the crank by hand to make sure that the
 > markes
   > > > lined up on the next revolution (also replaced the tensioners). But I
   > > > guess it could still happen. Can this be measured in some way with
the
   > > > engine running.
   > > >
   > > > Car starts OK, in the morning now. Immediatly after the belt change
it
   > > > would stall, but it only did it a couple of times and doesn't do it
   > > > anymore.
   > > >
   > > > I haven't checked the gas line (pump and filter) or the emissions
 > system
   > > > yet.
   > > >
   > > > Thanks for all the input, now I have something to check.
   > > >
  > >
  > >
 >
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