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Since: Dec 06, 2007 Posts: 2
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:20 pm
Post subject: Short Vibration on 2001 Windstar whenever A/C compressor starts Archived from groups: alt>autos>ford (more info?)
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I have a 2001 Ford Windstar with 102,000 miles. Sometime over the past
few months it started to get a periodic vibration. It lasts about 1
second (maybe a bit less), and feels like you just rolled over a
series of 2" pipes. It's most noticeable on smooth highway driving,
but I'm pretty sure I've felt it on surface streets also. They are
just so bumpy around here that often it is hard to tell. Eventually I
realized it only happens when the A/C is on, and is more frequent when
it is hotter outside. Generally it happens every 30 seconds to 3
minutes, and it usually happens within a couple of seconds of first
turning on the A/C. For this reason I'm assuming it happens whenever
the compressor starts up.
The Ford dealer is guessing that it is the torque converter, but
that's only a guess. It will take a $2200 repair to find out, so for
now I don't plan on doing anything unless the torque converter fails.
I asked what the tie-in with the A/C is, and the best they could do
was speculate that the added engine strain somehow triggered it. It
sounds pretty fishy to me, especially since the transmission is rock
solid (by both my experience and their testing). A transmission flush
didn't help at all.
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Since: May 21, 2007 Posts: 965
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Short Vibration on 2001 Windstar whenever A/C compressor starts [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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jmail.plummer.RemoveThis@sun.com wrote:
> I have a 2001 Ford Windstar with 102,000 miles. Sometime over the past
> few months it started to get a periodic vibration. It lasts about 1
> second (maybe a bit less), and feels like you just rolled over a
> series of 2" pipes. It's most noticeable on smooth highway driving,
> but I'm pretty sure I've felt it on surface streets also. They are
> just so bumpy around here that often it is hard to tell. Eventually I
> realized it only happens when the A/C is on, and is more frequent when
> it is hotter outside. Generally it happens every 30 seconds to 3
> minutes, and it usually happens within a couple of seconds of first
> turning on the A/C. For this reason I'm assuming it happens whenever
> the compressor starts up.
>
> The Ford dealer is guessing that it is the torque converter, but
> that's only a guess. It will take a $2200 repair to find out, so for
> now I don't plan on doing anything unless the torque converter fails.
> I asked what the tie-in with the A/C is, and the best they could do
> was speculate that the added engine strain somehow triggered it. It
> sounds pretty fishy to me, especially since the transmission is rock
> solid (by both my experience and their testing). A transmission flush
> didn't help at all.
>
> Any other ideas as to what the problem might be?
A mechanic who doesn't know what he is talking about. >> Stay informed about: Short Vibration on 2001 Windstar whenever A/C compressor s.. |
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Since: Nov 21, 2007 Posts: 43
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:37 am
Post subject: Re: Short Vibration on 2001 Windstar whenever A/C compressor starts [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> jmail.plummer RemoveThis @sun.com wrote:
>> I have a 2001 Ford Windstar with 102,000 miles. Sometime over the past
>> few months it started to get a periodic vibration. It lasts about 1
>> second (maybe a bit less), and feels like you just rolled over a
>> series of 2" pipes. It's most noticeable on smooth highway driving,
>> but I'm pretty sure I've felt it on surface streets also. They are
>> just so bumpy around here that often it is hard to tell. Eventually I
>> realized it only happens when the A/C is on, and is more frequent when
>> it is hotter outside. Generally it happens every 30 seconds to 3
>> minutes, and it usually happens within a couple of seconds of first
>> turning on the A/C. For this reason I'm assuming it happens whenever
>> the compressor starts up.
>>
>> The Ford dealer is guessing that it is the torque converter, but
>> that's only a guess. It will take a $2200 repair to find out, so for
>> now I don't plan on doing anything unless the torque converter fails.
>> I asked what the tie-in with the A/C is, and the best they could do
>> was speculate that the added engine strain somehow triggered it. It
>> sounds pretty fishy to me, especially since the transmission is rock
>> solid (by both my experience and their testing). A transmission flush
>> didn't help at all.
>>
>> Any other ideas as to what the problem might be?
>
Only with AC on? I would say its the AC compressor when it kicks on. The
pressures are neutral on the high and low sides when it kicks it. It will
put a strain on the system for about a second when it kicks in. Very common
to hear a strange "stress" rattle noise when the AC kicks in and a noticable
loss of power (kind of a low power surge) too. To test the torque converter
drive at highway speed with very little load, you can hit the brake pedal
very lightly to disengage theTC. Let off the brake to reingage. This way you
can "play" with it to see if it really is the TC. It is fairly common to get
a TC shutter on the highway under light load but the flush will usually fix
or at least change it. The shutter will feel like a slight miss under light
load at high speed. If it is the TC look for a product called Transmission
Doctor its in a red tube. I've had good luck with it. >> Stay informed about: Short Vibration on 2001 Windstar whenever A/C compressor s.. |
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Since: Mar 16, 2007 Posts: 210
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:07 am
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Since: Dec 06, 2007 Posts: 2
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Short Vibration on 2001 Windstar whenever A/C compressor starts [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Dec 7, 9:07 am, Ashton Crusher <d... DeleteThis @moore.net> wrote:
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> My guess is that you need a new serpentine belt. The added load of
> the compressor is causing the belt to slip for the first few seconds.
> It stops slipping after the start up load drops off and the belt heats
> up and gets stickier from the extra load. Then the compressor shuts
> off for 30 seconds and the cycle repeats. It's also possible that the
> belt tensioner is bad and not keeping the belt tight enough. I really
> doubt it is the transmission if it only happens at the same time as
> the compressor kicks in.
Now this sounds like a reasonable explanation. The jaring vibration I
feel does seem like something you could get from a belt repeatedly
gripping and slipping for about a second. I don't believe the belt has
ever been replaced. I had a tune-up (done at the Ford dealer) about
10k ago and they didn't replace it then (and no recommendation to
replace it). I'm going to bring it to a mechanic I sometimes use
rather than the Ford dealer and see what he says. Given the mileage on
the belt, it's probalby worth replacing it, even if it ends up not
being the cause.
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Since: Dec 31, 2007 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:45 am
Post subject: Re: Short Vibration on 2001 Windstar whenever A/C compressor starts [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Dec 10, 12:55 am, jmail.plum....DeleteThis@sun.com wrote:
> On Dec 7, 9:07 am, Ashton Crusher <d....DeleteThis@moore.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > My guess is that you need a new serpentine belt. The added load of
> > the compressor is causing the belt to slip for the first few seconds.
> > It stops slipping after the start up load drops off and the belt heats
> > up and gets stickier from the extra load. Then the compressor shuts
> > off for 30 seconds and the cycle repeats. It's also possible that the
> > belt tensioner is bad and not keeping the belt tight enough. I really
> > doubt it is the transmission if it only happens at the same time as
> > the compressor kicks in.
>
> Now this sounds like a reasonable explanation. The jaring vibration I
> feel does seem like something you could get from a belt repeatedly
> gripping and slipping for about a second. I don't believe the belt has
> ever been replaced. I had a tune-up (done at the Ford dealer) about
> 10k ago and they didn't replace it then (and no recommendation to
> replace it). I'm going to bring it to a mechanic I sometimes use
> rather than the Ford dealer and see what he says. Given the mileage on
> the belt, it's probalby worth replacing it, even if it ends up not
> being the cause.
>
> Thanks.
Hi,
My 2002 Windstar (91k mi) is doing the same thing, but I notice the
tach rise about 100-200rpm during it's cycle.
It goes like this...
tach rises 100-200rpm
wait about 5 seconds
shudder as tach drops
wait 15 seconds (almost exactly)
repeat
It does this any time I use the AC or Defrost (I live in Wisconsin,
so this it's either of these almost all the time). I got really
annoyed while driving the flat southern MN roads and having it do this
4 times per mile. No hills and if I shut off the AC it stops
immediately. I do have a slight shudder sometimes when reaching
overdrive, so I think mine might be transmission/tc...but I really
hope it's a belt or tensioner. I haven't tried a trans flush
yet...that's next on the list.
Thanks,
Lyle >> Stay informed about: Short Vibration on 2001 Windstar whenever A/C compressor s.. |
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Since: May 21, 2007 Posts: 965
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Short Vibration on 2001 Windstar whenever A/C compressor starts [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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lyle.stoll.RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 10, 12:55 am, jmail.plum....RemoveThis@sun.com wrote:
>> On Dec 7, 9:07 am, Ashton Crusher <d....RemoveThis@moore.net> wrote:
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>>
>>
>>> My guess is that you need a new serpentine belt. The added load of
>>> the compressor is causing the belt to slip for the first few seconds.
>>> It stops slipping after the start up load drops off and the belt heats
>>> up and gets stickier from the extra load. Then the compressor shuts
>>> off for 30 seconds and the cycle repeats. It's also possible that the
>>> belt tensioner is bad and not keeping the belt tight enough. I really
>>> doubt it is the transmission if it only happens at the same time as
>>> the compressor kicks in.
>> Now this sounds like a reasonable explanation. The jaring vibration I
>> feel does seem like something you could get from a belt repeatedly
>> gripping and slipping for about a second. I don't believe the belt has
>> ever been replaced. I had a tune-up (done at the Ford dealer) about
>> 10k ago and they didn't replace it then (and no recommendation to
>> replace it). I'm going to bring it to a mechanic I sometimes use
>> rather than the Ford dealer and see what he says. Given the mileage on
>> the belt, it's probalby worth replacing it, even if it ends up not
>> being the cause.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> Hi,
> My 2002 Windstar (91k mi) is doing the same thing, but I notice the
> tach rise about 100-200rpm during it's cycle.
> It goes like this...
> tach rises 100-200rpm
I think I see the problem. Your engine is running way to slow. It should
idle at about 500 to 700 RPM. Yours is idling at less than 100 RPM.
Jeff
> wait about 5 seconds
> shudder as tach drops
> wait 15 seconds (almost exactly)
> repeat
> It does this any time I use the AC or Defrost (I live in Wisconsin,
> so this it's either of these almost all the time). I got really
> annoyed while driving the flat southern MN roads and having it do this
> 4 times per mile. No hills and if I shut off the AC it stops
> immediately. I do have a slight shudder sometimes when reaching
> overdrive, so I think mine might be transmission/tc...but I really
> hope it's a belt or tensioner. I haven't tried a trans flush
> yet...that's next on the list.
>
> Thanks,
> Lyle >> Stay informed about: Short Vibration on 2001 Windstar whenever A/C compressor s.. |
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