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Since: Apr 16, 2004 Posts: 55
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:31 am
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My wife took her 2001 Explorer Sport in for service. The rear window wiper
failed again for the 4th time. Also, there was a noise under the hood that
was diagnosed as a failing alternator. They decided the belt needed changing
too as it had 40K on it. Since the extended warrantee coved the repair I
figured I'd get out the door for my $100 deductible and the cost of the
belt, $35.00. However, the dealer also tacked on an additional $54.00 in
labor for changing the belt. Now maybe I've got it all wrong, but it seems
that to remove and replace the alternator one has to loosen and detention
the belt. In installing the alternator one does the opposite. In changing
the belt you do exactly the same thing except the alternator remains
connected. So, why was I hit with a charge for belt R&R? Shouldn't that
have been taken care of in the alternator R&R? This same dealer also said my
5 month old 9 year warrantee battery from Wal-Mart was damaged and would not
take a full charge. He hit my wife up for $83.00 for a new battery and
$25.00 for installation. I took the Walmart battery home and hooked it up to
my charger. Two hours later it read fully charged on the charger and tested
at 13.4 volts on my volt meter. Sounds to me as if my dealer was padding his
bill. Interestingly, the total came out at $300 and change...exactly the
figure the dealer wanted me to sign off on before he would begin looking at
the service questions. Power Ford, Valencia Calif.
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R. J. Talley
Teacher/James Madison Fellow
NAR #69594
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Since: Dec 16, 2004 Posts: 6
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:07 am
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I find alot of the dealers are the same now.
I try and do most of the work on my truck myself, but we also have an
02 Caravan. Every time that we go to the dealer for our "free" oil
changes that are included in the extended warranty plan there is always
some extras. 6 months ago I went, and they quoted 575 for new brakes
all around, at 45,000 kms. I changed the front rotors and pads, the
rear pads that they wanted to change still had over 50% left on them.
My total cost ended up being $155. They have suggested rad flush,
tranny flush, all of these things well before it is even recommended in
the manual. If a person followed all of their recommendations I don't
see how someone could possibly afford a new vehicle.
Just my two cents.
Chad
Spdloader wrote:
> When you R&R the alternator, the book allows for belt removal. They
double
> charged you, and should credit the labor amount back to you.
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> Spdloader
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> "Reece Talley" <omgb.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:XIqdneJlNvz620fcRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> > My wife took her 2001 Explorer Sport in for service. The rear
window wiper
> > failed again for the 4th time. Also, there was a noise under the
hood that
> > was diagnosed as a failing alternator. They decided the belt needed
> > changing
> > too as it had 40K on it. Since the extended warrantee coved the
repair I
> > figured I'd get out the door for my $100 deductible and the cost of
the
> > belt, $35.00. However, the dealer also tacked on an additional
$54.00 in
> > labor for changing the belt. Now maybe I've got it all wrong, but
it seems
> > that to remove and replace the alternator one has to loosen and
detention
> > the belt. In installing the alternator one does the opposite. In
changing
> > the belt you do exactly the same thing except the alternator
remains
> > connected. So, why was I hit with a charge for belt R&R? Shouldn't
that
> > have been taken care of in the alternator R&R? This same dealer
also said
> > my
> > 5 month old 9 year warrantee battery from Wal-Mart was damaged and
would
> > not
> > take a full charge. He hit my wife up for $83.00 for a new battery
and
> > $25.00 for installation. I took the Walmart battery home and hooked
it up
> > to
> > my charger. Two hours later it read fully charged on the charger
and
> > tested
> > at 13.4 volts on my volt meter. Sounds to me as if my dealer was
padding
> > his
> > bill. Interestingly, the total came out at $300 and
change...exactly the
> > figure the dealer wanted me to sign off on before he would begin
looking
> > at
> > the service questions. Power Ford, Valencia Calif.
> >
> > --
> > R. J. Talley
> > Teacher/James Madison Fellow
> > NAR #69594
> > NRA #133073736
> >
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Since: Nov 20, 2003 Posts: 139
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:40 am
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When you R&R the alternator, the book allows for belt removal. They double
charged you, and should credit the labor amount back to you.
Spdloader
"Reece Talley" <omgb DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
news:XIqdneJlNvz620fcRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> My wife took her 2001 Explorer Sport in for service. The rear window wiper
> failed again for the 4th time. Also, there was a noise under the hood that
> was diagnosed as a failing alternator. They decided the belt needed
> changing
> too as it had 40K on it. Since the extended warrantee coved the repair I
> figured I'd get out the door for my $100 deductible and the cost of the
> belt, $35.00. However, the dealer also tacked on an additional $54.00 in
> labor for changing the belt. Now maybe I've got it all wrong, but it seems
> that to remove and replace the alternator one has to loosen and detention
> the belt. In installing the alternator one does the opposite. In changing
> the belt you do exactly the same thing except the alternator remains
> connected. So, why was I hit with a charge for belt R&R? Shouldn't that
> have been taken care of in the alternator R&R? This same dealer also said
> my
> 5 month old 9 year warrantee battery from Wal-Mart was damaged and would
> not
> take a full charge. He hit my wife up for $83.00 for a new battery and
> $25.00 for installation. I took the Walmart battery home and hooked it up
> to
> my charger. Two hours later it read fully charged on the charger and
> tested
> at 13.4 volts on my volt meter. Sounds to me as if my dealer was padding
> his
> bill. Interestingly, the total came out at $300 and change...exactly the
> figure the dealer wanted me to sign off on before he would begin looking
> at
> the service questions. Power Ford, Valencia Calif.
>
> --
> R. J. Talley
> Teacher/James Madison Fellow
> NAR #69594
> NRA #133073736
>
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Since: Dec 31, 2004 Posts: 6
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:22 am
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On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:31:54 -0800, "Reece Talley" <omgb DeleteThis @comcast.net>
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>My wife took her 2001 Explorer Sport in for service. The rear window wiper
>failed again for the 4th time. Also, there was a noise under the hood that
>was diagnosed as a failing alternator. They decided the belt needed changing
>too as it had 40K on it. Since the extended warrantee coved the repair I
>figured I'd get out the door for my $100 deductible and the cost of the
>belt, $35.00. However, the dealer also tacked on an additional $54.00 in
>labor for changing the belt. Now maybe I've got it all wrong, but it seems
>that to remove and replace the alternator one has to loosen and detention
>the belt. In installing the alternator one does the opposite. In changing
>the belt you do exactly the same thing except the alternator remains
>connected. So, why was I hit with a charge for belt R&R? Shouldn't that
>have been taken care of in the alternator R&R? This same dealer also said my
>5 month old 9 year warrantee battery from Wal-Mart was damaged and would not
>take a full charge. He hit my wife up for $83.00 for a new battery and
>$25.00 for installation. I took the Walmart battery home and hooked it up to
>my charger. Two hours later it read fully charged on the charger and tested
>at 13.4 volts on my volt meter. Sounds to me as if my dealer was padding his
>bill. Interestingly, the total came out at $300 and change...exactly the
>figure the dealer wanted me to sign off on before he would begin looking at
>the service questions. Power Ford, Valencia Calif.
Take the battery out and put the walmart one back in and return the
new one and at the same time demand a refund for the belt installation
fee. Don't ask nice and demand it. I would even by pass the service
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Since: Jul 18, 2004 Posts: 9
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:40 pm
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Friend of mine is a dealer mechanic (European brand). Their salary is
entirely on commission of repairs, no hourly rate. The manufacturer pays a
reduced rate for warrany so they need to make it up elsewhere. You've
discovered where but you need to know how to avoid this in the future.
Interesting too as to how they can bill 16 hours labor in an eight hour
shift. They often beat the flat rate manual since they do it day in and
out. My Ford dealer's shop rate used to be around $65/hour but it wasn't
uncommon for a repair to be $900 (labor only) when I picked it up by 5 p.m.
the same day. Go figger. Oh, complaining to the BAR (Bureau of Automotive
Rapair) was futile. Once you agree to the verbal or written quote you're
suck with it. If mechanic finished in one hour you're still out the quoted
price be it $900. Ethical? No. Legal? Yes.
We since moved on from owning Ford's.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:40 pm
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Reece Talley wrote:
> My wife took her 2001 Explorer Sport in for service. The rear
> window wiper failed again for the 4th time. Also, there was a
> noise under the hood that was diagnosed as a failing alternator.
> They decided the belt needed changing too as it had 40K on it.
> Since the extended warrantee coved the repair I figured I'd get
> out the door for my $100 deductible and the cost of the belt,
> $35.00. However, the dealer also tacked on an additional $54.00 in
> labor for changing the belt. Now maybe I've got it all wrong, but
> it seems that to remove and replace the alternator one has to
> loosen and detention the belt. In installing the alternator one
> does the opposite. In changing the belt you do exactly the same
> thing except the alternator remains connected. So, why was I hit
> with a charge for belt R&R? Shouldn't that have been taken care
> of in the alternator R&R? This same dealer also said my 5 month
> old 9 year warrantee battery from Wal-Mart was damaged and would
> not take a full charge. He hit my wife up for $83.00 for a new
> battery and $25.00 for installation. I took the Walmart battery
> home and hooked it up to my charger. Two hours later it read fully
> charged on the charger and tested at 13.4 volts on my volt meter.
> Sounds to me as if my dealer was padding his bill. Interestingly,
> the total came out at $300 and change...exactly the figure the
> dealer wanted me to sign off on before he would begin looking at
> the service questions. Power Ford, Valencia Calif.
>
> --
> R. J. Talley
> Teacher/James Madison Fellow
> NAR #69594
> NRA #133073736
Along with the other answers that you have...I bet that they tested your
Wal-wart battery *BEFORE* they changed the alternator and the belt. Not
after the change and allowing the new alternator to charge the battery...
I once had a service department (not Ford, in this case) tell me that my
alternator wasn't charging and I needed a new one. The reason for the
service was to replace the broken (and now missing) alternator belt. DUH!<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Service ripp-off? |
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Since: Aug 30, 2004 Posts: 8
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:40 pm
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The rate is most always figured as 'man hours'. If 2 men are working on the
car for an hour, then it's 2 x shop rate ( 2 x $65 = $130). Some jobs just
don't 'add up'. It's not brand specific by any means.
--
Chuck
I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian
"B. Peg" <bent_peg.DeleteThis@att.nett> wrote in message
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> Friend of mine is a dealer mechanic (European brand). Their salary is
> entirely on commission of repairs, no hourly rate. The manufacturer pays
> a reduced rate for warrany so they need to make it up elsewhere. You've
> discovered where but you need to know how to avoid this in the future.
> Interesting too as to how they can bill 16 hours labor in an eight hour
> shift. They often beat the flat rate manual since they do it day in and
> out. My Ford dealer's shop rate used to be around $65/hour but it wasn't
> uncommon for a repair to be $900 (labor only) when I picked it up by 5
> p.m. the same day. Go figger. Oh, complaining to the BAR (Bureau of
> Automotive Rapair) was futile. Once you agree to the verbal or written
> quote you're suck with it. If mechanic finished in one hour you're still
> out the quoted price be it $900. Ethical? No. Legal? Yes.
>
> We since moved on from owning Ford's.
>
> B~
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Since: Apr 11, 2004 Posts: 27
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:40 pm
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I had a problem with tires on a 2002 ranger . saw a thread with a similar
problem and the resolution. I printed the entire thread and went to the
service dept and made out OK. before you go to the general manager (and CC
to the local BBB), you should print all this up and bring it with you. good
luck.
"Reece Talley" <omgb.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:XIqdneJlNvz620fcRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> My wife took her 2001 Explorer Sport in for service. The rear window wiper
> failed again for the 4th time. Also, there was a noise under the hood that
> was diagnosed as a failing alternator. They decided the belt needed
> changing
> too as it had 40K on it. Since the extended warrantee coved the repair I
> figured I'd get out the door for my $100 deductible and the cost of the
> belt, $35.00. However, the dealer also tacked on an additional $54.00 in
> labor for changing the belt. Now maybe I've got it all wrong, but it seems
> that to remove and replace the alternator one has to loosen and detention
> the belt. In installing the alternator one does the opposite. In changing
> the belt you do exactly the same thing except the alternator remains
> connected. So, why was I hit with a charge for belt R&R? Shouldn't that
> have been taken care of in the alternator R&R? This same dealer also said
> my
> 5 month old 9 year warrantee battery from Wal-Mart was damaged and would
> not
> take a full charge. He hit my wife up for $83.00 for a new battery and
> $25.00 for installation. I took the Walmart battery home and hooked it up
> to
> my charger. Two hours later it read fully charged on the charger and
> tested
> at 13.4 volts on my volt meter. Sounds to me as if my dealer was padding
> his
> bill. Interestingly, the total came out at $300 and change...exactly the
> figure the dealer wanted me to sign off on before he would begin looking
> at
> the service questions. Power Ford, Valencia Calif.
>
> --
> R. J. Talley
> Teacher/James Madison Fellow
> NAR #69594
> NRA #133073736
>
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Since: Nov 08, 2004 Posts: 18
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 9:40 pm
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"Reece Talley" <omgb DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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> My wife took her 2001 Explorer Sport in for service. The rear window wiper
> failed again for the 4th time. Also, there was a noise under the hood that
> was diagnosed as a failing alternator. They decided the belt needed
> changing
> too as it had 40K on it. Since the extended warrantee coved the repair I
> figured I'd get out the door for my $100 deductible and the cost of the
> belt, $35.00. However, the dealer also tacked on an additional $54.00 in
> labor for changing the belt. Now maybe I've got it all wrong, but it seems
> that to remove and replace the alternator one has to loosen and detention
> the belt. In installing the alternator one does the opposite. In changing
> the belt you do exactly the same thing except the alternator remains
> connected. So, why was I hit with a charge for belt R&R? Shouldn't that
> have been taken care of in the alternator R&R? >
> --
> R. J. Talley
> Teacher/James Madison Fellow
> NAR #69594
> NRA #133073736
>
>
Technically, no. To replace the belt, you have to snake it around the fan,
maybe take a minute to do, then route it back around the pulleys, maybe
another minute or so. In any event, they shouldn't have charged you an hour
of labor to do this. Hell, they didn't need to replace the belt at 40k, I
just changed mine at 183k! OE belts are fairly durable, IMHO. I would
contact a FoMoCo arbitrator about this one.
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Since: Jul 18, 2004 Posts: 9
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 3:40 am
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> "Chuck" wrote:
> The rate is most always figured as 'man hours'. If 2 men are working on
> the car for an hour, then it's 2 x shop rate ( 2 x $65 = $130). Some jobs
> just don't 'add up'. It's not brand specific by any means.
Yeah, but two mechanics working on the same job should get done in half the
time - or somewhat faster. So what you're telling me is that if 10
mechanics are fumbling around with my car it is 10 x $65 or $650 an hour?
Sorry, I don't buy it.
Not all dealerships are crooked. There might be one honest one out
there....somewhere.
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Since: Dec 31, 2003 Posts: 80
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 8:40 am
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On the wild chance YOU work.....
Your hourly billable rate is $10.00 an hour
Let's say your boss puts 10 people on the same project.
With your line of "logic", he cannot bill the customer for 10 people at
$10/hr...just $10 hr total.
What color is the sun in your world?
"B. Peg" <bent_peg.RemoveThis@att.nett> wrote in message
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> > "Chuck" wrote:
> > The rate is most always figured as 'man hours'. If 2 men are working on
> > the car for an hour, then it's 2 x shop rate ( 2 x $65 = $130). Some
jobs
> > just don't 'add up'. It's not brand specific by any means.
>
>
> Yeah, but two mechanics working on the same job should get done in half
the
> time - or somewhat faster. So what you're telling me is that if 10
> mechanics are fumbling around with my car it is 10 x $65 or $650 an hour?
> Sorry, I don't buy it.
>
> Not all dealerships are crooked. There might be one honest one out
> there....somewhere.
>
> B~
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 8:40 am
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Never said it was right, just said that is the way man hours are billed.
Very common practice for field service reps as well.
Buy it or not.
--
Chuck
I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian
"B. Peg" <bent_peg.RemoveThis@att.nett> wrote in message
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>> "Chuck" wrote:
>> The rate is most always figured as 'man hours'. If 2 men are working on
>> the car for an hour, then it's 2 x shop rate ( 2 x $65 = $130). Some
>> jobs just don't 'add up'. It's not brand specific by any means.
>
>
> Yeah, but two mechanics working on the same job should get done in half
> the time - or somewhat faster. So what you're telling me is that if 10
> mechanics are fumbling around with my car it is 10 x $65 or $650 an hour?
> Sorry, I don't buy it.
>
> Not all dealerships are crooked. There might be one honest one out
> there....somewhere.
>
> B~
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 9:40 am
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Check the sun when you pull your head out. It is 'billed man hours'. Logic
that as common practice. If you check out standard service rates, some will
give this in small print, some don't.
BTW, I do work for a living. I've done industrial service/maintenance for
over 26 years. What does that have to do with sharing info?
--
Chuck
I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian
"bomar" <bomar76.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On the wild chance YOU work.....
> Your hourly billable rate is $10.00 an hour
> Let's say your boss puts 10 people on the same project.
> With your line of "logic", he cannot bill the customer for 10 people at
> $10/hr...just $10 hr total.
>
> What color is the sun in your world?
>
>
> "B. Peg" <bent_peg.RemoveThis@att.nett> wrote in message
> news:FuMCd.68425$uM5.17853@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> > "Chuck" wrote:
>> > The rate is most always figured as 'man hours'. If 2 men are working
>> > on
>> > the car for an hour, then it's 2 x shop rate ( 2 x $65 = $130). Some
> jobs
>> > just don't 'add up'. It's not brand specific by any means.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, but two mechanics working on the same job should get done in half
> the
>> time - or somewhat faster. So what you're telling me is that if 10
>> mechanics are fumbling around with my car it is 10 x $65 or $650 an hour?
>> Sorry, I don't buy it.
>>
>> Not all dealerships are crooked. There might be one honest one out
>> there....somewhere.
>>
>> B~
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>>
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Since: May 25, 2004 Posts: 41
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 10:40 am
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On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:31:54 -0800, "Reece Talley" <omgb DeleteThis @comcast.net>
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>My wife took her 2001 Explorer Sport in for service. The rear window wiper
>failed again for the 4th time. Also, there was a noise under the hood that
>was diagnosed as a failing alternator. They decided the belt needed changing
>too as it had 40K on it. Since the extended warrantee coved the repair I
>figured I'd get out the door for my $100 deductible and the cost of the
>belt, $35.00. However, the dealer also tacked on an additional $54.00 in
>labor for changing the belt. Now maybe I've got it all wrong, but it seems
>that to remove and replace the alternator one has to loosen and detention
>the belt. In installing the alternator one does the opposite. In changing
>the belt you do exactly the same thing except the alternator remains
>connected. So, why was I hit with a charge for belt R&R? Shouldn't that
>have been taken care of in the alternator R&R? This same dealer also said my
>5 month old 9 year warrantee battery from Wal-Mart was damaged and would not
>take a full charge. He hit my wife up for $83.00 for a new battery and
>$25.00 for installation. I took the Walmart battery home and hooked it up to
>my charger. Two hours later it read fully charged on the charger and tested
>at 13.4 volts on my volt meter. Sounds to me as if my dealer was padding his
>bill. Interestingly, the total came out at $300 and change...exactly the
>figure the dealer wanted me to sign off on before he would begin looking at
>the service questions. Power Ford, Valencia Calif.
That's awful to be treated that way. I stopped taking my Bronco to
the local dealer. They were terribly expensive, couldn't fix the pull
to the left, and broke something else while they had it. I've started
taking my truck to a local Fletcher's.
I'm just about ready to dump Sears. They have a new appliance repair
scam. Pluse, I've been waiting a week for them to come out and repair
my 4 year old $2000 fridge.
Good luck.
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Since: Sep 17, 2003 Posts: 5
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:23 am
Post subject: Re: Service ripp-off? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"Mark Schofield" <scoffhome.RemoveThis@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>I had a problem with tires on a 2002 ranger . saw a thread with a similar
>problem and the resolution. I printed the entire thread and went to the
>service dept and made out OK...
Just out of curiosity, what was that problem?
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