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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 5:33 pm
Post subject: RX or BMW X5? Which?
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Hi All, new member from Connecticut here. Currently own a BMW 328i,
1996, runs well, I maintained it beautifully. Been thinking about
upgrading. Would love a preowned X5, but haven't found one with low
miles (minimum is 2006 I will buy). But the gas mileage is starting to
concern me now, with premium gas about $4.20/gallon now up here. And
not going down anytime soon.
How does the RX stack up with mileage? I heard it's built on a Camry
chassis, is that right?
Any direction you can give me, let me know.
Gardis from Connecticut
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:31 pm
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Yes, the RX is based on the Toyota Camry platform. Lexus is made by
Toyota.
The RX suspension is kinda harsh IMO, and earlier ones have
transmission problems (google RX transmission problems). There are
reports that the new 3.5L V6 engine have a problem called "piston
slap" probably because of loose production tolerances (no precise
piston-cylinder matching), because brand new Lexus on the dealer lots
do that too.
I think you'll do much better with the BMW X5. IMO, Lexus is quiet,
nicely dolled-up with good attention to interior details, but they
lack the advanced engineering you'll find in a BMW. In that respect
BMW really gives you more for the money. BTW you have to get a Lexus
oil change every 5000 miles instead of 10,000-20,000 miles with true
performance cars. So what kind of car is that?
Check out the newer BMW engines (w/ or w/o twin turbos), these begin
to use no throttle plates but instead rely on continuously variable
valve timing as you step on the accelerator!!
On May 6, 5:33 pm, Gardis <gardi... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All, new member from Connecticut here. Currently own a BMW 328i,
> 1996, runs well, I maintained it beautifully. Been thinking about
> upgrading. Would love a preowned X5, but haven't found one with low
> miles (minimum is 2006 I will buy). But the gas mileage is starting to
> concern me now, with premium gas about $4.20/gallon now up here. And
> not going down anytime soon.
>
> How does the RX stack up with mileage? I heard it's built on a Camry
> chassis, is that right?
>
> Any direction you can give me, let me know.
>
> Gardis from Connecticut
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:40 pm
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Around $3x,xxx out of a list: www.edmunds.com
Acura RDX
BMW X3
Buick Enclave
HUMMER H3
Infiniti EX/FX35
Lincoln MKX
Mercury Mountaineer
Nissan Murano
Volvo XC90
On May 6, 5:33 pm, Gardis <gardi... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All, new member from Connecticut here. Currently own a BMW 328i,
> 1996, runs well, I maintained it beautifully. Been thinking about
> upgrading. Would love a preowned X5, but haven't found one with low
> miles (minimum is 2006 I will buy). But the gas mileage is starting to
> concern me now, with premium gas about $4.20/gallon now up here. And
> not going down anytime soon.
>
> How does the RX stack up with mileage? I heard it's built on a Camry
> chassis, is that right?
>
> Any direction you can give me, let me know.
>
> Gardis from Connecticut
> gardi... DeleteThis @gmail.com >> Stay informed about: RX or BMW X5? Which? |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 9:00 pm
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:52 pm
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On Tue, 6 May 2008 19:31:21 -0700 (PDT), johngdole.DeleteThis@hotmail.com wrote:
>Yes, the RX is based on the Toyota Camry platform. Lexus is made by
>Toyota.
Really? Lexus is affiliated with Toyota? Do you have some kind of
inside information, and if so, why haven't you pointed this out to us
600 times before this? Oh, wait, you have...
>BTW you have to get a Lexus
>oil change every 5000 miles instead of 10,000-20,000 miles with true
>performance cars. So what kind of car is that?
I'll ask this as simply and directly as possible, though I'm sure
you'll ignore me - which car are you referring to that recommends you
change the oil every 20,000 miles? >> Stay informed about: RX or BMW X5? Which? |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:39 am
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In article
<a495fd47-65cb-4276-91b5-2997b0afde88.RemoveThis@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Gardis <gardis72.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All, new member from Connecticut here. Currently own a BMW 328i,
> 1996, runs well, I maintained it beautifully. Been thinking about
> upgrading. Would love a preowned X5, but haven't found one with low
> miles (minimum is 2006 I will buy). But the gas mileage is starting to
> concern me now, with premium gas about $4.20/gallon now up here. And
> not going down anytime soon.
>
> How does the RX stack up with mileage? I heard it's built on a Camry
> chassis, is that right?
>
> Any direction you can give me, let me know.
>
> Gardis from Connecticut
> gardis72.RemoveThis@gmail.com
My wife and I own an '04 RX 330 and a '08 535i. Her RX has been rock
solid reliable and will run fine on regular gas. It gets about 16-17mpg
in the city, 20 or so on the road.
Someone described the RX's ride as ''harsh'. Compared to the BMW, the
ride is soft and compliant.
I've not driven an X5, but I'm sure it's like other BMWs. If so, you
have to decide if the Lexus feel, quite different, is to your liking.
One other thing-- if you get your every 5K service done at the Lexus
dealer, you'll be spending a LOT. My local Lexus dealer wants well above
$200 for all the folderol they do every 5k. Of course you can take it to
Jiffy Lube if you want. The free BMW service is a real advantage.
It comes down to this: drive one. If you like it, it'll be a good car
for you. If you're a BMW enthusiast, you'll perhaps not enjoy the ride
that much.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 7:10 am
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 8:45 am
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On Thu, 08 May 2008 07:10:15 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop.DeleteThis@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article
><Notmyrealaddres-D4C17D.06392507052008.DeleteThis@news.sf.sbcglobal.net>,
> Stephen Jacobs <Notmyrealaddres.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> One other thing-- if you get your every 5K service done at the Lexus
>> dealer, you'll be spending a LOT. My local Lexus dealer wants well above
>> $200 for all the folderol they do every 5k. Of course you can take it to
>> Jiffy Lube if you want. The free BMW service is a real advantage.
>
><snort> You DO know that that BMW service isn't "free" at all, don't you?
Sure it is. They do it out of the kindness in their hearts. You don't
think they'd build it into the purchase price and then tell people it
was free, do you? That would be wrong - something only an immoral
Lexus "stealership" would do. >> Stay informed about: RX or BMW X5? Which? |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 7:12 pm
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In article <elmop-C61A7B.07101508052008 DeleteThis @nntp9.usenetserver.com>,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop DeleteThis @nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article
> <Notmyrealaddres-D4C17D.06392507052008 DeleteThis @news.sf.sbcglobal.net>,
> Stephen Jacobs <Notmyrealaddres DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > One other thing-- if you get your every 5K service done at the Lexus
> > dealer, you'll be spending a LOT. My local Lexus dealer wants well above
> > $200 for all the folderol they do every 5k. Of course you can take it to
> > Jiffy Lube if you want. The free BMW service is a real advantage.
>
> <snort> You DO know that that BMW service isn't "free" at all, don't you?
Of course it's not free-- I've paid for it in the price of the car. The
fact is, though, that ownership of a Lexus requires a further expense
after purchase. BMW does not. >> Stay informed about: RX or BMW X5? Which? |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 6:16 am
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:09 pm
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On May 9, 6:16 am, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el... RemoveThis @nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article
> <Notmyrealaddres-58547C.19124408052... RemoveThis @news.sf.sbcglobal.net>,
> Stephen Jacobs <Notmyrealadd... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > <snort> You DO know that that BMW service isn't "free" at all, don't you?
>
> > Of course it's not free-- I've paid for it in the price of the car. The
> > fact is, though, that ownership of a Lexus requires a further expense
> > after purchase. BMW does not.
>
> So evaluate the TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP.
>
> Jesus. Are people really so dumb as to think that paying up front for
> something is somehow inherently better than paying for it later?
>
> How is "no further expense after purchase" better in any way?
>
> Of course, you were the one who said that the service was "free", so you
> obviously got suckered by the marketing game.
>
> Man. What a world. "It's FREE!"
Thank you that was helpful. I thought the RX had a little better gas
mileage than that (20's on highway? seems low to me). On my 328i i"m
getting 18 around town, and up to 30mpg on straight highway trips. In
line 6 cylinder. The x5 is very much heavier and naturally cannot get
that kind of gas mileage. Especially the 2007, they went and made them
heavier, even. Now with $4.00 gas, I think the consumers are going to
demand better mileage. Lexus has to drive like a toyota. Smooth, and
cushy, right? the German engineering is very taut. Many people do not
like it. >> Stay informed about: RX or BMW X5? Which? |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 6:05 am
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:05 am
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On Fri, 09 May 2008 06:16:13 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop DeleteThis @nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article
><Notmyrealaddres-58547C.19124408052008 DeleteThis @news.sf.sbcglobal.net>,
> Stephen Jacobs <Notmyrealaddres DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> > <snort> You DO know that that BMW service isn't "free" at all, don't you?
>>
>> Of course it's not free-- I've paid for it in the price of the car. The
>> fact is, though, that ownership of a Lexus requires a further expense
>> after purchase. BMW does not.
>
>So evaluate the TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP.
>
>Jesus. Are people really so dumb as to think that paying up front for
>something is somehow inherently better than paying for it later?
>
>How is "no further expense after purchase" better in any way?
>
>Of course, you were the one who said that the service was "free", so you
>obviously got suckered by the marketing game.
>
>Man. What a world. "It's FREE!"
Are you saying that there is no advantage to "prepaying" for service
in the cost of the car (assuming that the additional cost is equal to
the cost of the service)? >> Stay informed about: RX or BMW X5? Which? |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:13 am
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Lurfys Maw wrote to Elmo:
> Are you saying that there is no advantage to "prepaying" for service
> in the cost of the car (assuming that the additional cost is equal to
> the cost of the service)?
Would you rather have the car company be earning the interest on that
money, or be earning it yourself?
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:14 am
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On Sun, 11 May 2008 11:13:59 -0400, "St. John Smythe"
<sinjen.TakeThisOut@n4vu.com> wrote:
>Lurfys Maw wrote to Elmo:
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>> Are you saying that there is no advantage to "prepaying" for service
>> in the cost of the car (assuming that the additional cost is equal to
>> the cost of the service)?
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>Would you rather have the car company be earning the interest on that
>money, or be earning it yourself?
OK, factor that in, too. Is it equivalent if the prepaid cost is equal
to the unprepaid cost + service - interwst?
It's unlikely that most people would actually earn any interest on
that money, because they would just spend it on something else. I
won't ask you to factor that in, even though it's likely to be greater
than the lost interest. >> Stay informed about: RX or BMW X5? Which? |
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