Puking trans fluid

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"Spdloader" <askforit.TakeThisOut@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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> '99 F350 7.3L SuperCrew 4X4 Dually.
> 120,000 on vehicle, 35,000 on trans replaced three years ago.
>
> Backing anything (boat, car trailer) up my driveway, about a 50ft 10deg.
> grade, causes the trans to puke out fluid from the inspection cover.
>
> One to two pints, and only in reverse. Fluid isn't even luke warm to the
> touch, so it's not a heat issue.
> Doesn't matter if it's a short trip or a 15 minute one.
>
> I'm thinking bad pump seal, or front seal, or both.
>
> Anyone with any experience with this?
>
> Ideas?

This happens a lot with auto's when in reverse. Although my experience is
with dodge and plowing snow with some towing, when backing up you can watch
the temp climb right up the guage. What has dropped the temps some is a
"double deep" pan. Don't know if that will solve the problem, but it should
help lower the fluid temp. You might try low range when in reverse as well.
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"lugnut" <lugnut.DeleteThis@roadkill.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 00:40:34 -0400, "Spdloader"
> <askforit.DeleteThis@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>'99 F350 7.3L SuperCrew 4X4 Dually.
>>120,000 on vehicle, 35,000 on trans replaced three years ago.
>>
>>Backing anything (boat, car trailer) up my driveway, about a 50ft 10deg.
>>grade, causes the trans to puke out fluid from the inspection cover.
>>
>>One to two pints, and only in reverse. Fluid isn't even luke warm to the
>>touch, so it's not a heat issue.
>>Doesn't matter if it's a short trip or a 15 minute one.
>>
>>I'm thinking bad pump seal, or front seal, or both.
>>
>>Anyone with any experience with this?
>>
>>Ideas?
>>
>>Gonna check with the dealership Monday to see if they'd consider warranty
>>fix---it's only 1 month out.
>>
>>
>>Spdloader
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Unfortunately, have seen a few that do that. It seems to be
> a problem with cooling the reverse clutch pack. In my bread
> and butter business, we have had several that push it out
> the dipstick tube onto the right exhaust manifold and catch
> fire. AFIK, the only cure is a complete rebuild. I also
> understand there are some mods that should take care of the
> problem. There never seems to be any problem in the forward
> selections - just reverse. I have never been able to get
> hands on any documents but, I understand Ford is aware of
> the problem and there may by service info out on it. FWIW,
> I had one of them that caught fire this way after the 4th
> trans replacement with factory remans from Ford. Truck only
> had 31K miles total at time of fire. It was backing a
> trailered Bobcat up a muddy grade in 4WD at the time it
> puked.
>
> Lugnut

This trans was replaced with a Ford Reman unit exactly three years ago. It
has done it almost from the start, but it wasn't as bad as it is now.
Spdloader
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> "Spdloader" <askforit RemoveThis @nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> '99 F350 7.3L SuperCrew 4X4 Dually.
>> 120,000 on vehicle, 35,000 on trans replaced three years ago.
>>
>> Backing anything (boat, car trailer) up my driveway, about a 50ft 10deg.
>> grade, causes the trans to puke out fluid from the inspection cover.
>>
>> One to two pints, and only in reverse. Fluid isn't even luke warm to the
>> touch, so it's not a heat issue.
>> Doesn't matter if it's a short trip or a 15 minute one.
>>
>> I'm thinking bad pump seal, or front seal, or both.
>>
>> Anyone with any experience with this?
>>
>> Ideas?
>
> This happens a lot with auto's when in reverse. Although my experience is
> with dodge and plowing snow with some towing, when backing up you can
> watch the temp climb right up the guage. What has dropped the temps some
> is a "double deep" pan. Don't know if that will solve the problem, but it
> should help lower the fluid temp. You might try low range when in reverse
> as well.
>

What if the vehicle is "overnight cold", you start it, immediately back it
up the driveway, and it pukes.

Is it still a heat issue?

Using low range doesn't affect it.

It has an auxiliary trans cooler on it for what it's worth also.

It never did it with the original transmission. The trans was replaced
because the overdrive went out of the original one.

Spdloader
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> "Roy" <Roy.TakeThisOut@home.net> wrote in message
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>> "Spdloader" <askforit.TakeThisOut@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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>>> '99 F350 7.3L SuperCrew 4X4 Dually.
>>> 120,000 on vehicle, 35,000 on trans replaced three years ago.
>>>
>>> Backing anything (boat, car trailer) up my driveway, about a 50ft 10deg.
>>> grade, causes the trans to puke out fluid from the inspection cover.
>>>
>>> One to two pints, and only in reverse. Fluid isn't even luke warm to the
>>> touch, so it's not a heat issue.
>>> Doesn't matter if it's a short trip or a 15 minute one.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking bad pump seal, or front seal, or both.
>>>
>>> Anyone with any experience with this?
>>>
>>> Ideas?
>>
>> This happens a lot with auto's when in reverse. Although my experience is
>> with dodge and plowing snow with some towing, when backing up you can
>> watch the temp climb right up the guage. What has dropped the temps some
>> is a "double deep" pan. Don't know if that will solve the problem, but it
>> should help lower the fluid temp. You might try low range when in reverse
>> as well.
>>
>
> What if the vehicle is "overnight cold", you start it, immediately back it
> up the driveway, and it pukes.

Huh? Immediately?

>
> Is it still a heat issue?

I wouldn't think so, not from if it is happening cold.

>
> Using low range doesn't affect it.

Low range should affect it.

>
> It has an auxiliary trans cooler on it for what it's worth also.
>
> It never did it with the original transmission. The trans was replaced
> because the overdrive went out of the original one.
>
Imho it is time to take it in. You aren't geting any codes are you?


> Spdloader
>
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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:19:08 -0400, "Roy" <Roy.DeleteThis@home.net> wrote:

>This happens a lot with auto's when in reverse. Although my experience is
>with dodge and plowing snow with some towing, when backing up you can watch
>the temp climb right up the guage. What has dropped the temps some is a
>"double deep" pan. Don't know if that will solve the problem, but it should
>help lower the fluid temp. You might try low range when in reverse as well.


This is all relative to torque applied, cooling and overall gear ratio
because the taller the effective ratio to drive the more torque that
has to be applied to it and routed by tranny and automatics are there
least efficent in the stall condition and when the engine is cranking
out a lot of torque and vehcile speed is very slow in reverse and lot
of the energy is being converted to heat. THis is generallu more of a
problem with a diesel because they tend to have tall gears because of
limited RPM range. Like I stated eariler, GM wisely used a 4.49 rev
gear ratio in the ally so that there is no need to build up a lot of
torque and heat to move a load in reverse plus deeper gears getts it
off stall sooner so it runs cooler (this is not a anti ford statement
but rather than why you never hear about ally's pukng in reverse). You
can modifit rear clutch for more grip and that will help some but if
you are fighting a heavy load and a tall effective ration that you are
depending on 350 or 450 ft lbs of engine torque and more to overcome
this load you are going to cook it sooner are latter on such a low
speed backup. Most gas engine do not produce as much torque in stall
so it takes longer to cook it. I am not sure of your setup but if you
are running a 3.54 or 3.73 with larger than stock tires you are
pushing the envelope. A bigger cooler will not help much in this kind
of flash heating but deepr axle gear or small diameter tires would
reduce the torque load on tranny. This problem is not only with
diesels and automatics because more thyan one owner with a stick has
roasted a clutch trying to start on load in a taller gear while trying
to use the 500 or 600 ft lbs of torque they have.
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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:58:58 -0400, "Spdloader"
<askforit DeleteThis @nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:

>Using low range doesn't affect it.


using low range should prevent it because a lot less torque is needed
from engine and a lot less heat is generated in tranny. If it is worse
with this tranny than original it is possible that you have a torque
converter with a different stal speed and ratio that is making more
heat than before. They do make after market low stall speed converters
for diesels that run cooler that yoou might consider too.
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"SnoMan" <admin.RemoveThis@snoman.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:19:08 -0400, "Roy" <Roy.RemoveThis@home.net> wrote:
>
>>This happens a lot with auto's when in reverse. Although my experience is
>>with dodge and plowing snow with some towing, when backing up you can
>>watch
>>the temp climb right up the guage. What has dropped the temps some is a
>>"double deep" pan. Don't know if that will solve the problem, but it
>>should
>>help lower the fluid temp. You might try low range when in reverse as
>>well.
>
>
> This is all relative to torque applied, cooling and overall gear ratio
> because the taller the effective ratio to drive the more torque that
> has to be applied to it and routed by tranny and automatics are there
> least efficent in the stall condition and when the engine is cranking
> out a lot of torque and vehcile speed is very slow in reverse and lot
> of the energy is being converted to heat. THis is generallu more of a
> problem with a diesel because they tend to have tall gears because of
> limited RPM range.

There isn't a heck of a load backing up with a mt truck. The temp will still
climb even with 4:10 rears. As I said the double deep pan brought temps down
to a acceptable level. A tight tc might raise temps a bunch after pulling a
grade with a load but he is experiencing this on start up.
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>>> "Spdloader" <askforit.DeleteThis@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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>>>> '99 F350 7.3L SuperCrew 4X4 Dually.
>>>> 120,000 on vehicle, 35,000 on trans replaced three years ago.
>>>>
>>>> Backing anything (boat, car trailer) up my driveway, about a 50ft
>>>> 10deg. grade, causes the trans to puke out fluid from the inspection
>>>> cover.
>>>>
>>>> One to two pints, and only in reverse. Fluid isn't even luke warm to
>>>> the touch, so it's not a heat issue.
>>>> Doesn't matter if it's a short trip or a 15 minute one.
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking bad pump seal, or front seal, or both.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone with any experience with this?
>>>>
>>>> Ideas?
>>>
>>> This happens a lot with auto's when in reverse. Although my experience
>>> is with dodge and plowing snow with some towing, when backing up you can
>>> watch the temp climb right up the guage. What has dropped the temps some
>>> is a "double deep" pan. Don't know if that will solve the problem, but
>>> it should help lower the fluid temp. You might try low range when in
>>> reverse as well.
>>>
>>
>> What if the vehicle is "overnight cold", you start it, immediately back
>> it up the driveway, and it pukes.
>
> Huh? Immediately?
>
>>
>> Is it still a heat issue?
>
> I wouldn't think so, not from if it is happening cold.
>
>>
>> Using low range doesn't affect it.
>
> Low range should affect it.
>
>>
>> It has an auxiliary trans cooler on it for what it's worth also.
>>
>> It never did it with the original transmission. The trans was replaced
>> because the overdrive went out of the original one.
>>
> Imho it is time to take it in. You aren't geting any codes are you?
>
>
>> Spdloader
>>
Yep, it happens no matter how long it's been running.
I'm not getting any codes. I'm taking it in tonight.

I'm done worrying about it.

Spdloader
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"Spdloader" <askforit RemoveThis @nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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> '99 F350 7.3L SuperCrew 4X4 Dually.
> 120,000 on vehicle, 35,000 on trans replaced three years ago.
>
> Backing anything (boat, car trailer) up my driveway, about a 50ft 10deg.
> grade, causes the trans to puke out fluid from the inspection cover.
>
> One to two pints, and only in reverse. Fluid isn't even luke warm to the
> touch, so it's not a heat issue.
> Doesn't matter if it's a short trip or a 15 minute one.
>
> I'm thinking bad pump seal, or front seal, or both.
>
> Anyone with any experience with this?
>
> Ideas?
>
> Gonna check with the dealership Monday to see if they'd consider warranty
> fix---it's only 1 month out.
>
>
> Spdloader
>
The front pump seal and torque converter seals are both leaking. No other
problems found with the transmission, but there are others, to which I will
start another thread. See Hubs.

Spdloader

>
>
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"lugnut" <lugnut.TakeThisOut@roadkill.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:27:53 -0400, "Spdloader"
> <askforit.TakeThisOut@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Spdloader" <askforit.TakeThisOut@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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>>> '99 F350 7.3L SuperCrew 4X4 Dually.
>>> 120,000 on vehicle, 35,000 on trans replaced three years ago.
>>>
>>> Backing anything (boat, car trailer) up my driveway, about a 50ft 10deg.
>>> grade, causes the trans to puke out fluid from the inspection cover.
>>>
>>> One to two pints, and only in reverse. Fluid isn't even luke warm to the
>>> touch, so it's not a heat issue.
>>> Doesn't matter if it's a short trip or a 15 minute one.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking bad pump seal, or front seal, or both.
>>>
>>> Anyone with any experience with this?
>>>
>>> Ideas?
>>>
>>> Gonna check with the dealership Monday to see if they'd consider
>>> warranty
>>> fix---it's only 1 month out.
>>>
>>>
>>> Spdloader
>>>
>>The front pump seal and torque converter seals are both leaking. No other
>>problems found with the transmission, but there are others, to which I
>>will
>>start another thread. See Hubs.
>>
>>Spdloader
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> I thought the front seal problem had been addressed several
> years back with a seal improvement and enlarging the
> drainback hole. The problem usually occured when there was
> a bit of wear on the pump bushing or the seal had been
> disturbed as the converter was inserted. The spring on the
> back side of the seal would tend to get displaced. This
> often happened if the converter slipped forward out of the
> pump while the trans was being installed. It is not often a
> pump seal - I assume your are talking about the pump housing
> oring - leaks if properly installed and the pump torqued
> into the case. If thesde are the leak points, you shopuld
> not even have to teardown the trans unless you just want to
> freshen the seals. It is not likely that anything else is
> wrong based on what you describe. Also, I would not expect
> these problems at 35K miles on a proper rebuild.
>
> Lugnut

I am talking about the pump housing O-ring, and the seal around the torque
converter shaft.

The trans was replaced with a "Ford Factory Reman" unit, 34,189 miles ago,
and 3 years, and six weeks ago. The six weeks out is why they are telling me
they won't help me with the repair. Although the leak started soon after
replacement, but my local stealer wasn't able to find it.
I have it at another dealer with a much better reputation now, but I'll be
footing the bill, it appears.
Spdloader
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