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saying :

   >> > I've never been in a Turbo vehicle at all.

  >> I'll bet you have.

 > Oh no I haven't. What makes you think that I would've?

You've never been in a diesel?
P'raps a taxi, p'raps a bus, p'raps a train?

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(petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :

   >> > I've never been in a Turbo vehicle at all.

  >> I'll bet you have.

 > Oh no I haven't. What makes you think that I would've?

You've never been in anything diesel?

P'raps a taxi, p'raps a bus? P'raps even a train, although we'll restrict
ourselves to road vehicles.

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   >> > Most people, even chavs believe it or not, want their turbo to
 > last,
   >> > because a turbo car with out a turbo is just a car, and a bad one
 > at
   >> > that.
  >>
  >> Come on, not Chavs! OK, so most people will probably look after it,
  >> but I suspect that a lot wont.
  >>
  >>
  >> Anyone, chavs included, will realise they won;t have a turbocharged
 > car long
  >> if it's abused past a certain point. Considering Chavs it is most
 > likely to
  >> be the most important thing in their lives, a lot of cars people call
 >
  >> "chavved" have still had a lot of money spent on them, on maintenance
 > as
  >> well as crap mods.
 >
 > Chavs abuse cars whether they have Turbo's or not. Wait a minute,
 > Chavs can't usually afford Turbo's anyway. Anyway, if they did have a
 > Turbo I don't think they'd treat it any different. This is Chavs we're
 > talking about!
 >


Thats not true, A "true" chav yes, but llately people refer to any car thats
not modified to their tastes as "chav" as somoen who still regularly attends
modified car meets I see lots of cars that would be considerefd as "chav"
thats have had £thousands spent on the engine,

If however we mean your true chav then, no, they wo't be likely to own a
turbo.

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 > were
  >> saying :
  >>
   >> > I've never been in a Turbo vehicle at all.
  >>
  >> I'll bet you have.
 >
 > Oh no I haven't. What makes you think that I would've?
 >

Bus, lorry, minibus, coach, taxi etc etc etc etc.

A turbo diesel is still a turbo.

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(petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

 >
 > Adrian wrote:
  >> (petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
 > were
  >> saying :
  >>
   >> >> Which can equally apply to *any* turbocharged car, petrol or
   >> >> diesel, over 50k miles or so.

   >> > The older it is the more likely it is to die.

  >> Explain, please?

 > With any 2nd hand car it's hard to tell how long it's going to last.
 > A Turbo may last 200,000 miles, or it die at 50,000 miles. On average
 > it's going to be somewhere between those two, lets say 100,000 miles.

I do love it when you try and sound as if you have a clue, Peter. It's
so funny. Here - let me hand you some more rope.

 > Now you're going to get (100,000 - start mileage)miles out of the
 > Turbo, so the lower the mileage is when you buy the car the longer
 > it's going to last. It could do 200,000 miles, but it's most likely to
 > do the average mileage.

Lovely, 'an all...

But what's age got to do with mileage? You said "older". You didn't
mention mileage. I said "any turbo... over 50k or so", and you brought
age into it.

That fleaBay Bluebird had less than 80k miles on it, despite being '89.
To *exist* at that age, let alone be fairly clean, it's very likely to
have been looked after. That's low mileage for the age.

Let's consider this 2002 Primera, for example :-
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4537926178" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4537926178</a>

Or this 2001 Avensis :-
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4537841286" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4537841286</a>

Or this 2001 Rover 75 :-
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4537205351" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4537205351</a>

As for this 2001 Octavia... :-
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4537454180" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4537454180</a>

Yes, they're all diseasels. Turbo diseasels, though. The turbo is
exactly the same technology.

But what about a turbo petrol?

Perhaps a Saab 900?
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  > > Chavs abuse cars whether they have Turbo's or not. Wait a minute,
  > > Chavs can't usually afford Turbo's anyway. Anyway, if they did
have a
  > > Turbo I don't think they'd treat it any different. This is Chavs
we're
  > > talking about!
  > >
 >
 >
 > Thats not true, A "true" chav yes, but llately people refer to any
car thats
 > not modified to their tastes as "chav" as somoen who still regularly
attends
 > modified car meets I see lots of cars that would be considerefd as
"chav"
 > thats have had £thousands spent on the engine,
 >
 > If however we mean your true chav then, no, they wo't be likely to
own a
 > turbo.

I do mean a 'true chav'.

Well then you are one of the few people in recent months, on any board to
actually use the word correctly, and for my assumption I apologise.


*wave at the inhabitants of the random groups he seems to be posting to*

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   >>> >> Which can equally apply to *any* turbocharged car, petrol or
   >>> >> diesel, over 50k miles or so.
 >
   >>> > The older it is the more likely it is to die.
 >
   >>> Explain, please?
 >
  >> With any 2nd hand car it's hard to tell how long it's going to last.
  >> A Turbo may last 200,000 miles, or it die at 50,000 miles. On average
  >> it's going to be somewhere between those two, lets say 100,000 miles.
 >
 > I do love it when you try and sound as if you have a clue, Peter. It's
 > so funny. Here - let me hand you some more rope.
 >


He's also missing anopther crucial point, trying to pin an "average life" in
miles on a turbo (especially older ones) is just not feasable.

Pass me the keys to any brand new turbocharged car and I bet I can break it
within 5000 miles, if not sooner.

Give me the keys to a well maintained, oder car and as long as I continue to
treat and maintain it then it should be fine.


The main factor in turbocharger life length is the way they are treated,
maintained and driven.

A well maintained 15 year old turbo charger will run perfectly well,
someihting like a focus RS that was not run in correctly and then abused for
the first few years of it's life will probably not.

IMO it's clear you have never owned a turbo charged car.


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Mason (rmason@plusdotnet) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :

 > The main factor in turbocharger life length is the way they are
 > treated, maintained and driven.
 >
 > A well maintained 15 year old turbo charger will run perfectly well,
 > someihting like a focus RS that was not run in correctly and then
 > abused for the first few years of it's life will probably not.

Exactly.

 > IMO it's clear you have never owned a turbo charged car.

Peter? Or me?

I presume you mean Peter - but you've replied to the wrong post.

If me, you've misunderstood my posts, and you're also wrong - I've had one
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  >> IMO it's clear you have never owned a turbo charged car.
 >
 > Peter? Or me?


Peter.

 >
 > I presume you mean Peter - but you've replied to the wrong post.


Yup )

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(petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :

  >> P'raps a taxi, p'raps a bus? P'raps even a train, although we'll
  >> restrict ourselves to road vehicles.

 > I haven't been in a taxi in this country

Really? EVER? Not once?

 > Yeah. They're starting to do some nice modern ones without Turbo's
 > though, eg. Yaris' 1.4D, Punto/Corsa 1.3, etc. I think they'll become
 > less common on Diesels.

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 > The Turbo-charger itself doesn't give two hoots what fuel you're running -
 > all it does is blow air, and drink engine-oil to lubricate it's bearings.
An
 > average modern Turbo will last over 100,000 miles if treated poorly, maybe
 > upto 200,000 or more if treated well. They're only around £500 to get
 > reconned though, so as a >100k expense, it's not really an issue.

<<You're assuming that they are treated properly. How many people, other
than the regulars of this group, do you know who treat their Turbos (or
engines) properly? I don't think there are many people who would let a
Turbo spool down. The Turbo could quite possibly be on it's way out.
It's a good few years old.

£500 is quite a lot of money when the whole car only cost you £500!
You'd need to budget for it when buying the car.>>

Is it me or is Peter McMillan actually starting to talk sense?

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 > Chavs abuse cars whether they have Turbo's or not. Wait a minute,
 > Chavs can't usually afford Turbo's anyway.

No need - they can afford the sticker and that's good enough.

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 > Oh, I didn't know that. I've never driven a Turbo, I've never been in
 > a Turbo vehicle at all.

Buses, coaches, diesel trains....

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