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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:40 am
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 7:40 am
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Ken wrote:
> Did this guy pay too much for this guy on ebay? I am in the UK. Nissan
> Bluebird Turbo 1.8. The bodywork doesn't look that good, bumper
> corners paint worn off, signs of rust at bottom of front wheel arches.
> There are other standard bluebirds for sale on ebay with neater
> bodywork going for £100 etc. Don't know if "80s retro car" is pushing
> the description a bit far. Also the owner seems to sell a lot of "How
> to reset service lights information and tools for various makes of
> cars." on ebay. That put me off a bit. As how can you save loads of
> money by resetting service indicators? Would you buy a car off a
> person who sold such things?
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&?ViewItem&item=4535538540</font" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&?ViewItem&item=4535538...</fo</a>>
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> Am sure I have seen cars like this for sale at budget traders for £199
> etc. Not sure what makes people on ebay pay over the odds for old
> cars.
It's worth nothing. Whoever paid >£500 for it, is a mentallist.
> And will it run on unleaded ok? Says on advert it will, but Nissan
> handbook and Haynes manual state all bluebirds can run on unleaded but
> not the turbo one. I have also read that LRP and maybe the other
> substitute lead additives can ruin the turbo (you have to buy a turbo
> friendly additive apparently). Don't know if you can even get LRP in
> UK still?
>
> What would happen if you ran a car such as this on unleaded if it was
> designed to run on leaded. I presume it would run ok, but cause
> prematurely wearing, Would this show at 78,000 miles? How many miles
> do the turbo chargers normally last?
The Turbo-charger itself doesn't give two hoots what fuel you're running -
all it does is blow air, and drink engine-oil to lubricate it's bearings. An
average modern Turbo will last over 100,000 miles if treated poorly, maybe
upto 200,000 or more if treated well. They're only around £500 to get
reconned though, so as a >100k expense, it's not really an issue.
> I thought the reason you didn't get m/any modern petrol turbo charged
> cars was because they wouldn't run on leaded petrol? As in the 80s you
> got lots of turbo spec variant cars in UK (metro, maestro, montego,
> maestro, cavalier, escort, bluebird). The modern day equivalent of
> these models you don't get turbo variants except for diesel engines.
Er, what ? There are more Turbo-charged cars now than there have ever been !
Almost all mainstream manufacturers produce at least one Turbo Petrol engine
these days (some of them make lots and lots) - this will include BMW and
Peugeot as soon as their new joint-venture-engines arrive.
And it's only going to become more common - forced induction is an easy and
cheap way of obtaining sensible power from economical engines that will
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:17 am
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Nom wrote:
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> The Turbo-charger itself doesn't give two hoots what fuel you're
running -
> all it does is blow air, and drink engine-oil to lubricate it's
bearings. An
> average modern Turbo will last over 100,000 miles if treated poorly,
maybe
> upto 200,000 or more if treated well. They're only around £500 to
get
> reconned though, so as a >100k expense, it's not really an issue.
You're assuming that they are treated properly. How many people, other
than the regulars of this group, do you know who treat their Turbos (or
engines) properly? I don't think there are many people who would let a
Turbo spool down. The Turbo could quite possibly be on it's way out.
It's a good few years old.
£500 is quite a lot of money when the whole car only cost you £500!
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:36 am
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Sleeker GT Phwoar wrote:
> In article <1111681052.297873.263910 RemoveThis @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> petermcmillan_uk RemoveThis @yahoo.com says...
> >
> > Nom wrote:
> >
> > You're assuming that they are treated properly. How many people,
other
> > than the regulars of this group, do you know who treat their Turbos
(or
> > engines) properly? I don't think there are many people who would
let a
> > Turbo spool down. The Turbo could quite possibly be on it's way
out.
> > It's a good few years old.
>
> Peter, there is a bloody big sticker usually on the sun visor telling
> you what to do.
Oh, I didn't know that. I've never driven a Turbo, I've never been in
a Turbo vehicle at all.
> Most people, even chavs believe it or not, want their turbo to last,
> because a turbo car with out a turbo is just a car, and a bad one at
> that.
Come on, not Chavs! OK, so most people will probably look after it,
but I suspect that a lot wont.
> > £500 is quite a lot of money when the whole car only cost you
£500!
> > You'd need to budget for it when buying the car.
>
> Nah, you just think, do I want reconn, new, or chance a second hand
one.
> A secondhand one is between £50 and £100 depending on how rare, and
with
> a few checks can be as good as new. And why settle for an identical
one
> anywhay, when a stage1/2/3 will produce more power from same revs and
> place less stress on the turbo.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Price of car too high?Will it run on unleaded? |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:38 am
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Adrian wrote:
> (petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were
> saying :
>
> > You're assuming that they are treated properly. How many people,
other
> > than the regulars of this group, do you know who treat their Turbos
(or
> > engines) properly? I don't think there are many people who would
let a
> > Turbo spool down. The Turbo could quite possibly be on it's way
out.
>
> Which can equally apply to *any* turbocharged car, petrol or diesel,
over
> 50k miles or so.
The older it is the more likely it is to die.
> > £500 is quite a lot of money when the whole car only cost you
£500!
> > You'd need to budget for it when buying the car.
>
> No, you throw the car away if it dies. It's a calculated risk.
Yeah, I think the original person said that £500 isn't a lot of money.
In practice you probably would throw the car away, although a £500
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:09 am
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Mason wrote:
> > Most people, even chavs believe it or not, want their turbo to
last,
> > because a turbo car with out a turbo is just a car, and a bad one
at
> > that.
>
> Come on, not Chavs! OK, so most people will probably look after it,
> but I suspect that a lot wont.
>
>
> Anyone, chavs included, will realise they won;t have a turbocharged
car long
> if it's abused past a certain point. Considering Chavs it is most
likely to
> be the most important thing in their lives, a lot of cars people call
> "chavved" have still had a lot of money spent on them, on maintenance
as
> well as crap mods.
Chavs abuse cars whether they have Turbo's or not. Wait a minute,
Chavs can't usually afford Turbo's anyway. Anyway, if they did have a
Turbo I don't think they'd treat it any different. This is Chavs we're
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:15 am
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Adrian wrote:
> (petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were
> saying :
>
> >> Which can equally apply to *any* turbocharged car, petrol or
diesel,
> >> over 50k miles or so.
>
> > The older it is the more likely it is to die.
>
> Explain, please?
With any 2nd hand car it's hard to tell how long it's going to last. A
Turbo may last 200,000 miles, or it die at 50,000 miles. On average
it's going to be somewhere between those two, lets say 100,000 miles.
Now you're going to get (100,000 - start mileage)miles out of the
Turbo, so the lower the mileage is when you buy the car the longer it's
going to last. It could do 200,000 miles, but it's most likely to do
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:16 am
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:36 am
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Mason wrote:
> >
> > Chavs abuse cars whether they have Turbo's or not. Wait a minute,
> > Chavs can't usually afford Turbo's anyway. Anyway, if they did
have a
> > Turbo I don't think they'd treat it any different. This is Chavs
we're
> > talking about!
> >
>
>
> Thats not true, A "true" chav yes, but llately people refer to any
car thats
> not modified to their tastes as "chav" as somoen who still regularly
attends
> modified car meets I see lots of cars that would be considerefd as
"chav"
> thats have had £thousands spent on the engine,
>
> If however we mean your true chav then, no, they wo't be likely to
own a
> turbo.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:28 am
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Adrian wrote:
> (petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were
> saying :
>
> >> > I've never been in a Turbo vehicle at all.
>
> >> I'll bet you have.
>
> > Oh no I haven't. What makes you think that I would've?
>
> You've never been in anything diesel?
I learnt to drive in a Diesel, but it wasn't Turbo.
> P'raps a taxi, p'raps a bus? P'raps even a train, although we'll
restrict
> ourselves to road vehicles.
I haven't been in a taxi in this country, and when I have been in
Taxi's I didn't pay much attention to the engine. Maybe buses are
Turbo's, but I was thinking about cars (or similar eg. SUV's) really.
> Roughly 80%+ (probably more) of diesels are turbocharged.
Yeah. They're starting to do some nice modern ones without Turbo's
though, eg. Yaris' 1.4D, Punto/Corsa 1.3, etc. I think they'll become
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:22 pm
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Clive George wrote:
> <petermcmillan_uk RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1111688894.110193.85220@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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> > Yeah. They're starting to do some nice modern ones without Turbo's
> > though, eg. Yaris' 1.4D, Punto/Corsa 1.3, etc. I think they'll
become
> > less common on Diesels.
>
> Hey, look, would that be Peter talking _utter_ bollocks again?
>
> (Peter, tell me where you heard about these mythical new engines - a
link
> will do...)
>
> clive
Oh, I thought that all of these new small Deisels were all non Turbo
for some reason. I think the Yaris is non-Turbo, and I think the smart
forfour and Mitsubushi Colt maybe non-Turbo too, but I'm not certain.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:40 pm
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(petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :
> You're assuming that they are treated properly. How many people, other
> than the regulars of this group, do you know who treat their Turbos (or
> engines) properly? I don't think there are many people who would let a
> Turbo spool down. The Turbo could quite possibly be on it's way out.
Which can equally apply to *any* turbocharged car, petrol or diesel, over
50k miles or so.
> £500 is quite a lot of money when the whole car only cost you £500!
> You'd need to budget for it when buying the car.
No, you throw the car away if it dies. It's a calculated risk.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Price of car too high?Will it run on unleaded? |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:40 pm
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In article <1111681052.297873.263910 RemoveThis @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
petermcmillan_uk RemoveThis @yahoo.com says...
>
> Nom wrote:
> >
> > The Turbo-charger itself doesn't give two hoots what fuel you're
> running -
> > all it does is blow air, and drink engine-oil to lubricate it's
> bearings. An
> > average modern Turbo will last over 100,000 miles if treated poorly,
> maybe
> > upto 200,000 or more if treated well. They're only around £500 to
> get
> > reconned though, so as a >100k expense, it's not really an issue.
>
> You're assuming that they are treated properly. How many people, other
> than the regulars of this group, do you know who treat their Turbos (or
> engines) properly? I don't think there are many people who would let a
> Turbo spool down. The Turbo could quite possibly be on it's way out.
> It's a good few years old.
Peter, there is a bloody big sticker usually on the sun visor telling
you what to do.
Most people, even chavs believe it or not, want their turbo to last,
because a turbo car with out a turbo is just a car, and a bad one at
that.
> £500 is quite a lot of money when the whole car only cost you £500!
> You'd need to budget for it when buying the car.
Nah, you just think, do I want reconn, new, or chance a second hand one.
A secondhand one is between £50 and £100 depending on how rare, and with
a few checks can be as good as new. And why settle for an identical one
anywhay, when a stage1/2/3 will produce more power from same revs and
place less stress on the turbo.
--
"Sorry Sir, the meatballs are Orf"
The poster formerly known as Skodapilot.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:40 pm
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> Most people, even chavs believe it or not, want their turbo to last,
> because a turbo car with out a turbo is just a car, and a bad one at
> that.
Come on, not Chavs! OK, so most people will probably look after it,
but I suspect that a lot wont.
Anyone, chavs included, will realise they won;t have a turbocharged car long
if it's abused past a certain point. Considering Chavs it is most likely to
be the most important thing in their lives, a lot of cars people call
"chavved" have still had a lot of money spent on them, on maintenance as
well as crap mods.
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