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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:21 pm
Post subject: PING - STuK
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Stu,
If you're interested, I'm finishing up the discussion we had a while
back about oscillating voltage in my Tempo, only b/c it's similar to the
4-cyl Mustangs...
It uses a 75A "Mitsubishi alternator". It's a v-belted one. Stick +
air apparently required a different alt. than auto + air. Ok..
The charge lead plug is apparently notorious for corroding and shorting.
It was horribly corroded, and replaced it and the alt., and had
recently replaced the battery, leads, starter solenoid while I was at it
and terminals of course because it "puked".
The reason it "puked" was, from what I've put together and heard,
because of the bad plug from the charge leads. The voltage going up and
down violently enough for long enough fried the alt. and, as I thought
back, caused two batteries to puke and two alternators to cook in 80,000
miles.
Fried alternator with battery puke sounds like a tasty dish, but it was
expensive, frustrating nonsense. Finding the friendly neighborhood
parts store instead of the know-nothing chain, where no reality exists
outside their computer screens, saved me from having to go through this
b.s. again with my beater. Hey, I know what I know and don't what I
don't. I'm ok, but not great with diagnosing electrical problems. I
should have looked for corrosion before, but didn't...
If this information is valuable to anyone, then good deal... that's why
I bothered to post it... and thanks for the help on the other stuff, Stu... |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:21 pm
Post subject: Re: PING - STuK [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Wound Up" <putherinthatbucket RemoveThis @swbell.net> wrote in message
news:418C196C.20508@swbell.net...
> Stu,
>
> If you're interested, I'm finishing up the discussion we had a while
> back about oscillating voltage in my Tempo, only b/c it's similar to the
> 4-cyl Mustangs...
>
> It uses a 75A "Mitsubishi alternator". It's a v-belted one. Stick +
> air apparently required a different alt. than auto + air. Ok..
>
> The charge lead plug is apparently notorious for corroding and shorting.
> It was horribly corroded, and replaced it and the alt., and had
> recently replaced the battery, leads, starter solenoid while I was at it
> and terminals of course because it "puked".
>
> The reason it "puked" was, from what I've put together and heard,
> because of the bad plug from the charge leads. The voltage going up and
> down violently enough for long enough fried the alt. and, as I thought
> back, caused two batteries to puke and two alternators to cook in 80,000
> miles.
>
> Fried alternator with battery puke sounds like a tasty dish, but it was
> expensive, frustrating nonsense. Finding the friendly neighborhood
> parts store instead of the know-nothing chain, where no reality exists
> outside their computer screens, saved me from having to go through this
> b.s. again with my beater. Hey, I know what I know and don't what I
> don't. I'm ok, but not great with diagnosing electrical problems. I
> should have looked for corrosion before, but didn't...
>
> If this information is valuable to anyone, then good deal... that's why
> I bothered to post it... and thanks for the help on the other stuff, Stu...
Thanks, Good to know. Checking for corroded connections is pretty much "business as usual"
up here in saltsville and just good troubleshooting in general. Glad you found the
problem.
Starting to get ready for the snow up here now. Had some on the windshield this morning,
just a dusting. I need to get that damn 289 block of my garage floor! I hate scraping!
Grrrrrr. I cheated today and poured water on the window today. StuK<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:21 pm
Post subject: Re: PING - STuK [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Stuart&Janet wrote:
> "Wound Up" <putherinthatbucket.DeleteThis@swbell.net> wrote in message
> news:418C196C.20508@swbell.net...
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>>Stu,
>>
>>If you're interested, I'm finishing up the discussion we had a while
>>back about oscillating voltage in my Tempo, only b/c it's similar to the
>>4-cyl Mustangs...
>>
>>It uses a 75A "Mitsubishi alternator". It's a v-belted one. Stick +
>>air apparently required a different alt. than auto + air. Ok..
>>
>>The charge lead plug is apparently notorious for corroding and shorting.
>> It was horribly corroded, and replaced it and the alt., and had
>>recently replaced the battery, leads, starter solenoid while I was at it
>>and terminals of course because it "puked".
>>
>>The reason it "puked" was, from what I've put together and heard,
>>because of the bad plug from the charge leads. The voltage going up and
>>down violently enough for long enough fried the alt. and, as I thought
>>back, caused two batteries to puke and two alternators to cook in 80,000
>>miles.
>>
>>Fried alternator with battery puke sounds like a tasty dish, but it was
>>expensive, frustrating nonsense. Finding the friendly neighborhood
>>parts store instead of the know-nothing chain, where no reality exists
>>outside their computer screens, saved me from having to go through this
>>b.s. again with my beater. Hey, I know what I know and don't what I
>>don't. I'm ok, but not great with diagnosing electrical problems. I
>>should have looked for corrosion before, but didn't...
>>
>>If this information is valuable to anyone, then good deal... that's why
>>I bothered to post it... and thanks for the help on the other stuff, Stu...
>
>
>
>
> Thanks, Good to know. Checking for corroded connections is pretty much "business as usual"
> up here in saltsville and just good troubleshooting in general. Glad you found the
> problem.
Yeah, thanks, me too. Something new learned. So elementary... kind of
a forehead-slapping experience
You remind me of living in CT, where winter was longer, and the salting
ridiculous (but necessary) in da tri-state area dere. I'm sure up there
it's much worse in terms of general rust and rot on cars than in Mo.
We're still in the 50s and 60s. We'll get an Alberta clipper or two
every Jan. with wind and below zero F, but then it might be 60-70 the
following week... went from 72 to 5 above in less than 24 hours once
> Starting to get ready for the snow up here now. Had some on the windshield this morning,
> just a dusting. I need to get that damn 289 block of my garage floor! I hate scraping!
> Grrrrrr. I cheated today and poured water on the window today. StuK
Yeah I bet. I hate it too. Man, do I ever, because "I get the garage"
was countered with "ok, then you scrape my car" 
I still have (maybe) 2-3 weeks before I'll have to put my car to bed for
the winter. I also had to replace the washer tank and spray nozzle,
which had crumbled to dust after 15 years. Weird things start going
after a certain point
Have fun... don't hurt your back on that lil 'ol 289  <!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: PING - STuK |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:21 pm
Post subject: Re: PING - STuK [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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That's interesting because for a while, the replacement 4 cyl alternator on
the mustangs came with a new lead which was to replace the original, the
problem was well known in the early-mid 90's.
Wound Up opined in news:418C196C.20508@swbell.net:
> Stu,
>
> If you're interested, I'm finishing up the discussion we had a while
> back about oscillating voltage in my Tempo, only b/c it's similar to the
> 4-cyl Mustangs...
> The charge lead plug is apparently notorious for corroding and shorting.
> It was horribly corroded, and replaced it and the alt., and had
> recently replaced the battery, leads, starter solenoid while I was at it
> and terminals of course because it "puked".
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:20 am
Post subject: Re: PING - STuK [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Wound Up" <putherinthatbucket DeleteThis @swbell.net> wrote in message
news:418C196C.20508@swbell.net...
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> It uses a 75A "Mitsubishi alternator". It's a v-belted one. Stick + air
> apparently required a different alt. than auto + air. Ok..
And as useless information of the day, I believe these are made somewhere in
Ohio. I work for the power electronics / power electrical division of
Mitsubishi Electric US.. I believe our cohorts in Ohio make starters,
alternators, and other such things.
For all their hard work, I get the X-plan.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:20 am
Post subject: Re: PING - STuK [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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That's interesting, and helps reinforce that diagnosis. I -thought- it
might be the same with similar year Mustangs.
I was told, this time, it was "recommended with replacement of the
alternator". I probably wasted $200 and several hours of work for that
corroded lead. Thanks for the input!
Backyard Mechanic wrote:
> That's interesting because for a while, the replacement 4 cyl alternator on
> the mustangs came with a new lead which was to replace the original, the
> problem was well known in the early-mid 90's.
>
> Wound Up opined in news:418C196C.20508@swbell.net:
>
>
>>Stu,
>>
>>If you're interested, I'm finishing up the discussion we had a while
>>back about oscillating voltage in my Tempo, only b/c it's similar to the
>>4-cyl Mustangs...
>
>
>
>>The charge lead plug is apparently notorious for corroding and shorting.
>> It was horribly corroded, and replaced it and the alt., and had
>>recently replaced the battery, leads, starter solenoid while I was at it
>>and terminals of course because it "puked".
>>
>
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:20 am
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JS wrote:
> "Wound Up" <putherinthatbucket DeleteThis @swbell.net> wrote in message
> news:418C196C.20508@swbell.net...
>
>>It uses a 75A "Mitsubishi alternator". It's a v-belted one. Stick + air
>>apparently required a different alt. than auto + air. Ok..
>
>
> And as useless information of the day, I believe these are made somewhere in
> Ohio. I work for the power electronics / power electrical division of
> Mitsubishi Electric US.. I believe our cohorts in Ohio make starters,
> alternators, and other such things.
Thanks. And no information (esp. automotive) is truly useless IMO.
Tuck it away, it might come in handy at some point! The parts guy
flipped the unit over, and said, "there, in the middle, I expected to
see the tri-star emblem. I guess this is an original Ford core."
> For all their hard work, I get the X-plan.
X-plan?
>
> JS
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:20 am
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"Wound Up" <putherinthatbucket.TakeThisOut@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:418C723F.2040908@swbell.net...
> JS wrote:
>> "Wound Up" <putherinthatbucket.TakeThisOut@swbell.net> wrote in message
>> news:418C196C.20508@swbell.net...
>>
>>>It uses a 75A "Mitsubishi alternator". It's a v-belted one. Stick + air
>>>apparently required a different alt. than auto + air. Ok..
>>
>>
>> And as useless information of the day, I believe these are made somewhere
>> in Ohio. I work for the power electronics / power electrical division of
>> Mitsubishi Electric US.. I believe our cohorts in Ohio make starters,
>> alternators, and other such things.
>
> Thanks. And no information (esp. automotive) is truly useless IMO. Tuck
> it away, it might come in handy at some point! The parts guy flipped the
> unit over, and said, "there, in the middle, I expected to see the tri-star
> emblem. I guess this is an original Ford core."
Eh, at least you know there's some guy in Mason, OH that you can call...
lol. I don't know what good it would do though, he probably has no control
over it. I could get the website. I think the official company name is
Mitsubishi Electric Automotive America, Inc.
>> For all their hard work, I get the X-plan.
>
> X-plan?
Supplier discounts on new Fords (even SVT), including Mazda, Volvo, and who
knows what else (but not Jaguar).
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:20 am
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JS wrote:
> "Wound Up" <putherinthatbucket.TakeThisOut@swbell.net> wrote in message
> news:418C723F.2040908@swbell.net...
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>>JS wrote:
>>
>>>"Wound Up" <putherinthatbucket.TakeThisOut@swbell.net> wrote in message
>>>news:418C196C.20508@swbell.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>It uses a 75A "Mitsubishi alternator". It's a v-belted one. Stick + air
>>>>apparently required a different alt. than auto + air. Ok..
>>>
>>>
>>>And as useless information of the day, I believe these are made somewhere
>>>in Ohio. I work for the power electronics / power electrical division of
>>>Mitsubishi Electric US.. I believe our cohorts in Ohio make starters,
>>>alternators, and other such things.
>>
>>Thanks. And no information (esp. automotive) is truly useless IMO. Tuck
>>it away, it might come in handy at some point! The parts guy flipped the
>>unit over, and said, "there, in the middle, I expected to see the tri-star
>>emblem. I guess this is an original Ford core."
>
>
> Eh, at least you know there's some guy in Mason, OH that you can call...
> lol. I don't know what good it would do though, he probably has no control
> over it. I could get the website. I think the official company name is
> Mitsubishi Electric Automotive America, Inc.
Yeah... well, interesting to know anyway. I like random facts about
stuff I'm interested in.
>
>>>For all their hard work, I get the X-plan.
>>
>>X-plan?
>
>
> Supplier discounts on new Fords (even SVT), including Mazda, Volvo, and who
> knows what else (but not Jaguar).
Right. Got a friend whose dad worked at Ford his entire career, and has
been retired for a while but still gets his discount. They've gotten
countless new cars, Mustangs, Crown Vics, Probes, SVT Contours,
Explorers, Expiditions, an S80, and now a Lincoln LS with his discount.
Do they own Aston Martin? I would bet you wouldn't get that on one
of those if so.
Maybe someday I can write him a check for a new Mustang. Not sure if
it's the same plan, but I believe 20% is his deal. Yes, but not
JAG-U-AR!!
GOD I HATE those commercials
>
> JS
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:20 am
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Wound Up opined in news:418C6F49.10200@swbell.net:
> That's interesting, and helps reinforce that diagnosis. I -thought- it
> might be the same with similar year Mustangs.
As long as you understand that they arent the same engines, at all
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:40 pm
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Backyard Mechanic wrote:
> Wound Up opined in news:418C6F49.10200@swbell.net:
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>>That's interesting, and helps reinforce that diagnosis. I -thought- it
>>might be the same with similar year Mustangs.
>
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> As long as you understand that they arent the same engines, at all
>
> All they share is "2.3" and maybe the alternator
Yep, I do.
The Mustang engines are OHC and differ from mine in just about every
other way you could think of.
Mine is a re-done pushrod tractor motor, essentially, with EFI and the
HSC head.
The "and maybe the alternator" part is why I posted my story here...
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