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Terry11

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 8:12 pm
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OK now that I know that one person is still alive -

Have 35 flathead with low oil pressure when hot 5-10 psi,
cold it hits 35 psi, this is with 50W oil, has a replacement late
model oil pump that is of unknown age, The screen was plugged up when
I pulled the pan, should have replaced the pump - opps. What type
should I use to replace - is the new build replacement a 50 psi pump.

No knocks or rattles when hot, have verified pressure with a
mechanical gague. Otherwise runs well with lots of pep.

Terry

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 1:39 pm
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Have you checked online for vendors that supply parts for flatheads?
I imagine that you could get an original style replacement is you desired.
I've been doing research online for a future project with a flathead and I
was surprised at the number of parts available.

50w oil? Is that what is supposed to be run in flatheads? I have no idea and
I was just wondering.

Kirk

"Terry" <dewickt DeleteThis @esper.com> wrote in message
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 > OK now that I know that one person is still alive -
 >
 > Have 35 flathead with low oil pressure when hot 5-10 psi,
 > cold it hits 35 psi, this is with 50W oil, has a replacement late
 > model oil pump that is of unknown age, The screen was plugged up when
 > I pulled the pan, should have replaced the pump - opps. What type
 > should I use to replace - is the new build replacement a 50 psi pump.
 >
 > No knocks or rattles when hot, have verified pressure with a
 > mechanical gague. Otherwise runs well with lots of pep.
 >
 > Terry<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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Jim Fahlstedt

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 7:19 pm
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For what its worth, I do believe that this level of oil pressure is too low.
The fact that you are not hearing strange and expensive noises makes me
think that your pump is probably flowing a sufficient amount of oil, but the
pressure relief spring has possibly failed. I haven't messed with Flathead
Fords in many years (we raced several V8-60's in midgets over 40 years ago)
and I cannot remember where this is located.

As information we ran 30 weight oil in flatheads on the street and 10 in the
winter. But, in those days, everything ran that weight oil. The race cars
ran 50 weight, but we ran extremely hot as the Offy guys would run slow
starts to overheat the Fords.

Good luck,
Jim Fahlstedt

I would most assuredly switch to a multi-viscosity oil.
"Mulatz" <cptn_kjm.DeleteThis@sasktel.net> wrote in message
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 > Have you checked online for vendors that supply parts for flatheads?
 > I imagine that you could get an original style replacement is you desired.
 > I've been doing research online for a future project with a flathead and I
 > was surprised at the number of parts available.
 >
 > 50w oil? Is that what is supposed to be run in flatheads? I have no idea
and
 > I was just wondering.
 >
 > Kirk
 >
 > "Terry" <dewickt.DeleteThis@esper.com> wrote in message
 > news:t8rugv0qrd8altqfa2tmv8ppi5oq6e18vj@4ax.com...
  > > OK now that I know that one person is still alive -
  > >
  > > Have 35 flathead with low oil pressure when hot 5-10 psi,
  > > cold it hits 35 psi, this is with 50W oil, has a replacement late
  > > model oil pump that is of unknown age, The screen was plugged up when
  > > I pulled the pan, should have replaced the pump - opps. What type
  > > should I use to replace - is the new build replacement a 50 psi pump.
  > >
  > > No knocks or rattles when hot, have verified pressure with a
  > > mechanical gague. Otherwise runs well with lots of pep.
  > >
  > > Terry
 >
 >


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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 7:51 pm
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The book calls for 40W in the summer, with age I figgure that 50W
can take up the slack. I forgot about the relief valve when I had the
pump out for cleaning - opps.
I have found several pumps on the net, plus a local parts house
that carrys them, to change it without pulling the engine can be done
but is a chore, may as well get the best pump that I can find if I am
going to go through the hassle..
59AB that was in car had 80# cold, 35# hot on road, and 15# hot
idle, had only 9000 miles on it but was wrong engine for car and had a
leak in the block - water in the oil, fixable but since I had to pull
it to fix the leak I changed to an original engine.
Check my page under DeWick Repairs for picture.
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Terry

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:39:44 -0600, "Mulatz" <cptn_kjm RemoveThis @sasktel.net>
wrote:

 >Have you checked online for vendors that supply parts for flatheads?
 >I imagine that you could get an original style replacement is you desired.
 >I've been doing research online for a future project with a flathead and I
 >was surprised at the number of parts available.
 >
 >50w oil? Is that what is supposed to be run in flatheads? I have no idea and
 >I was just wondering.
 >
 >Kirk
 >
 >"Terry" <dewickt RemoveThis @esper.com> wrote in message
 >news:t8rugv0qrd8altqfa2tmv8ppi5oq6e18vj@4ax.com...
  >> OK now that I know that one person is still alive -
  >>
  >> Have 35 flathead with low oil pressure when hot 5-10 psi,
  >> cold it hits 35 psi, this is with 50W oil, has a replacement late
  >> model oil pump that is of unknown age, The screen was plugged up when
  >> I pulled the pan, should have replaced the pump - opps. What type
  >> should I use to replace - is the new build replacement a 50 psi pump.
  >>
  >> No knocks or rattles when hot, have verified pressure with a
  >> mechanical gague. Otherwise runs well with lots of pep.
  >>
  >> Terry
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 12:01 pm
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Jim Fahlstedt wrote:

 > For what its worth, I do believe that this level of oil pressure is too
 > low. The fact that you are not hearing strange and expensive noises makes
 > me think that your pump is probably flowing a sufficient amount of oil,
 > but the
 > pressure relief spring has possibly failed. I haven't messed with
 > Flathead Fords in many years (we raced several V8-60's in midgets over 40
 > years ago) and I cannot remember where this is located.
 >
 > As information we ran 30 weight oil in flatheads on the street and 10 in
 > the
 > winter. But, in those days, everything ran that weight oil. The race
 > cars ran 50 weight, but we ran extremely hot as the Offy guys would run
 > slow starts to overheat the Fords.
 >
 > Good luck,
 > Jim Fahlstedt
 >
 > I would most assuredly switch to a multi-viscosity oil.
 > "Mulatz" <cptn_kjm RemoveThis @sasktel.net> wrote in message
 > news:vh5u7b63g6olc7@corp.supernews.com...
  >> Have you checked online for vendors that supply parts for flatheads?
  >> I imagine that you could get an original style replacement is you
  >> desired. I've been doing research online for a future project with a
  >> flathead and I was surprised at the number of parts available.
  >>
  >> 50w oil? Is that what is supposed to be run in flatheads? I have no idea
 > and
  >> I was just wondering.
  >>
  >> Kirk
  >>
  >> "Terry" <dewickt RemoveThis @esper.com> wrote in message
  >> news:t8rugv0qrd8altqfa2tmv8ppi5oq6e18vj@4ax.com...
   >> > OK now that I know that one person is still alive -
   >> >
   >> > Have 35 flathead with low oil pressure when hot 5-10 psi,
   >> > cold it hits 35 psi, this is with 50W oil, has a replacement late
   >> > model oil pump that is of unknown age, The screen was plugged up when
   >> > I pulled the pan, should have replaced the pump - opps. What type
   >> > should I use to replace - is the new build replacement a 50 psi pump.
   >> >
   >> > No knocks or rattles when hot, have verified pressure with a
   >> > mechanical gague. Otherwise runs well with lots of pep.
   >> >
   >> > Terry
  >>
  >>
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Gonna post it here to you Terry, in the exact words a dear friend (and
QuakerState engineer) put it to me.

"If you *really* need 50w then you're *way* past a rebuild, and if you
don't, then what makes better sense.... gettin'em wet from the start, with
whatever you can get there, or leavin' all your cold, heavy oil in the
crankcase and pushin' dry rods?."

I know, you all are about to start dickin the quakerstate, and in some
ways......... i agree (I use Castrol personaly)

but... think about it. what is better. gears, valves, etc somewhat damp
while the engine starts and revs, with lighter oil, or dry parts humping
each other waiting for the heavy oil to get there?

personaly, I don't care if my engine is cooled and lubed with dog piss, as
long as it is cooled and lubed evenly from the time the starter first
strikes, till I cut the fire. I'll take 5W10 for my machines, and piss off
pressure as long as there is enough to push it around.

Your milage may vary.
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