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Since: Aug 24, 2003 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 7:34 pm
Post subject: Mini Cooper fails to find niche; Beetle/Cruiser win sales ra Archived from groups: rec>autos>makers>vw>aircooled, others (more info?)
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Mini Cooper fails to find niche; Beetle/Cruiser win sale race
BMW's Mini Cooper has thus far failed to find its niche.
With Mini's piling up on dealer's lots, BMW has started
an unfocused ad campaign, with slogans such as "You've
never had so much fun for $16,975" and "Sip, don't guzzle".
So, why could the retro New Beetle and PT Cruiser be such
successes while the Mini has fallen on its face? After
all, the Mini too is a good functional car.
First is BMW's gross misunderstanding of the lure of the
retro look. Its based on good memories. Americans still
see original Beetles around. While the Cruiser isn't
styled after a specific 30's car, Americans still see
the durable 30's Chevrolets, Fords, and Plymouths being
used as Sunday drivers. But who ever saw the original
Mini in America? Almost no one.
Back then, America had the world's most successful economy.
The Big 3 had just invented the "compact" car, Valiants
and Falcons as big as a typical Mercedes. Americans sure
weren't interested in a micro car produced for second rate
economies. And so the original Mini hardly sold in the
US. There's no retro for Americans to remember with the
Mini. How BMW could miss such a simple fact can only be
explained by a smaller dose of the arrogance that let
Mercedes think it could run Chrysler.
Of course, the New Beetle and the Cruiser aren't successful
in quite the way intended. It was supposed both would
attract young buyers of both genders. Instead, both are
preferred by middle aged and usually slightly plump women.
Here, of course, is a market the Mini has no chance of
touching. The Mini isn't right for those chunky women,
whether its the car or the skirt. >> Stay informed about: Mini Cooper fails to find niche; Beetle/Cruiser win sales .. |
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Since: Sep 09, 2003 Posts: 7
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 7:34 pm
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 7:34 pm
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I like the New Mini. It seems far more like the real Mini than the New
Beetle does to the real Beetle. The PT Cruiser may do a good job of
replicating a 1960's lead sled California custom. However, if it
does, that is a reason to avoid it.
Hip Americans all knew about the Mini during its heyday. That should
provide a good base of retro appeal. The New Mini kind of bothers me
because it is so big and heavy compared with the real one, but it
still appeals to me. I see a lot of them around the DC area -- more
than New beetles, even.
Paul >> Stay informed about: Mini Cooper fails to find niche; Beetle/Cruiser win sales .. |
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Since: Aug 29, 2003 Posts: 4
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 7:34 pm
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"Comments4u" <comments4u.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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| Mini Cooper fails to find niche; Beetle/Cruiser win sale race
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| BMW's Mini Cooper has thus far failed to find its niche.
| With Mini's piling up on dealer's lots, BMW has started
| an unfocused ad campaign, with slogans such as "You've
| never had so much fun for $16,975" and "Sip, don't guzzle".
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| So, why could the retro New Beetle and PT Cruiser be such
| successes while the Mini has fallen on its face? After
| all, the Mini too is a good functional car.
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| First is BMW's gross misunderstanding of the lure of the
| retro look. Its based on good memories. Americans still
| see original Beetles around. While the Cruiser isn't
| styled after a specific 30's car, Americans still see
| the durable 30's Chevrolets, Fords, and Plymouths being
| used as Sunday drivers. But who ever saw the original
| Mini in America? Almost no one.
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| Back then, America had the world's most successful economy.
| The Big 3 had just invented the "compact" car, Valiants
| and Falcons as big as a typical Mercedes. Americans sure
| weren't interested in a micro car produced for second rate
| economies. And so the original Mini hardly sold in the
| US. There's no retro for Americans to remember with the
| Mini. How BMW could miss such a simple fact can only be
| explained by a smaller dose of the arrogance that let
| Mercedes think it could run Chrysler.
|
| Of course, the New Beetle and the Cruiser aren't successful
| in quite the way intended. It was supposed both would
| attract young buyers of both genders. Instead, both are
| preferred by middle aged and usually slightly plump women.
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| Here, of course, is a market the Mini has no chance of
| touching. The Mini isn't right for those chunky women,
| whether its the car or the skirt.
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'cuse me--- I just read somewhere that the "New Beetle" was not doing too
well and production would be stopped soon. So it appears it hasn't set any
sales records either.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 7:34 pm
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Comments4u wrote:
> Mini Cooper fails to find niche; Beetle/Cruiser win sale race
> Of course, the New Beetle and the Cruiser aren't successful
> in quite the way intended. It was supposed both would
> attract young buyers of both genders. Instead, both are
> preferred by middle aged and usually slightly plump women.
The New Beetle driver is about as diverse as it can be. From young
males in the Turbo versions all the way up to blue haired grannies in
automatic 2.0L versions with a random mix of everyone in the TDI versions.
While I can't say for the PT Cruiser (or care), I would guess there is a
fair mix with those as well. And with all of the "Limited Edition"
purple body/chromed wheel PT Cruisers outer there, I'm sure a blue
haired granny is in one of them.
The problem that faces all cars retro now is it is old news. The Beetle
hit the scene in 98. We have all seen it now. Like the Ford
Blunderbird, the Mini is to late on the market. I've seen more of the
new Minis on the road here than the Blunderbird, and there are no Mini
dealers within 2.5 hours drive, yet 5 Ford dealers in less than a 30
minute drive.
Lastly, VW has done a fairly good job of re-inventing the NB. There
were the limited editions (not like the countless PT cruiser) that could
only be ordered online, 4000 total. Then there is the Turbo S version,
now we have the ragtop. I think though that is about the end of the
line unless they do release something like the Dune concept, or even
better a RS version that has 4Motion.
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Since: Sep 12, 2003 Posts: 32
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 7:47 pm
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Since: Apr 17, 2004 Posts: 1088
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 8:00 pm
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Comments4u wrote:
> Mini Cooper fails to find niche; Beetle/Cruiser win sale race
>
> BMW's Mini Cooper has thus far failed to find its niche.
> With Mini's piling up on dealer's lots, BMW has started
> an unfocused ad campaign, with slogans such as "You've
> never had so much fun for $16,975" and "Sip, don't guzzle".
It's the price, plain and simple. Why get a Cooper
when you can get any one of a dozen mini-hatches for $10-$14K?
Take a look at the new Echo hatchback. Small, economical,
and just as peppy around town. Huge amounts less money.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Mini Cooper fails to find niche; Beetle/Cruiser win sales .. |
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Since: May 19, 2004 Posts: 212
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 8:00 pm
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In article <3F490AF9.3000405 DeleteThis @earthlink.net>,
Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
>Comments4u wrote:
>> Mini Cooper fails to find niche; Beetle/Cruiser win sale race
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>> BMW's Mini Cooper has thus far failed to find its niche.
>> With Mini's piling up on dealer's lots, BMW has started
>> an unfocused ad campaign, with slogans such as "You've
>> never had so much fun for $16,975" and "Sip, don't guzzle".
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>It's the price, plain and simple. Why get a Cooper
>when you can get any one of a dozen mini-hatches for $10-$14K?
>
>Take a look at the new Echo hatchback. Small, economical,
>and just as peppy around town. Huge amounts less money.
IIRC the Echo hatchback is only available in Canada, not the US.
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Since: Aug 17, 2003 Posts: 11
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 8:00 pm
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"Joseph Oberlander" <josephoberlander.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Comments4u wrote:
> > Mini Cooper fails to find niche; Beetle/Cruiser win sale race
> >
> > BMW's Mini Cooper has thus far failed to find its niche.
> > With Mini's piling up on dealer's lots, BMW has started
> > an unfocused ad campaign, with slogans such as "You've
> > never had so much fun for $16,975" and "Sip, don't guzzle".
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> It's the price, plain and simple. Why get a Cooper
> when you can get any one of a dozen mini-hatches for $10-$14K?
>
> Take a look at the new Echo hatchback. Small, economical,
> and just as peppy around town. Huge amounts less money.
But isn't the Mini Cooper a wolf in econo-car clothes? At least the one my
friend has is loaded - turbocharger, GPS-map system, you name it. But in a
retro econobox. The new mini is larger than the old, but most people would
guess that it's still a squeeze-in design.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Mini Cooper fails to find niche; Beetle/Cruiser win sales .. |
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Since: Aug 24, 2003 Posts: 4
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 8:00 pm
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:00:00 +0000, Joseph Oberlander wrote:
> It's the price, plain and simple. Why get a Cooper
> when you can get any one of a dozen mini-hatches for $10-$14K?
Why do people pay 200k for a Ferrari if a 10k econobox will
move them from A to B? Because there is more to driving than
basic transportation.
> Take a look at the new Echo hatchback. Small, economical,
> and just as peppy around town. Huge amounts less money.
I suggest you drive both. You will notice that the difference
is about the same as between a 3 series BMW and a Corolla.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 8:06 pm
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"Joseph Oberlander" <josephoberlander.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Take a look at the new Echo hatchback.
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.......................These crossposting a-holes probably won't see this but
I hope that they all eat shit for breakfast and then puke all over each
other afterward.
BTW............the Mini Cooper factory can't keep up with demand and there's
a waiting list at the dealer closest to me here in upstate NY. So maybe
they're already full of it.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Mini Cooper fails to find niche; Beetle/Cruiser win sales .. |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 8:49 pm
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 9:20 pm
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Actually Americans remember the MINI quite well. Except for a
lot of interior room it was an under powered, overpriced cheaply
built turkey. Hoffmann had to practically give them away to get
them off his lot. As too the new MINI Americans knew it was NOT
a BMW, even BMW never called it a BMW. Those of us that did go
look at them saw a bunch at 19K to 22K but none to have 'fun in
at $16,975' Buy the way the new Beetles are no longer a ball of
fire either. VW put too much hope in that car as well. They
should have done what Ford did with the new T-Bird, plan a
limited production of five year then drop the car and the name to
create showroom traffic and a demand from collectors. The PT was
another story. The buyers in the US who would never think of
buying a vehicle from a foreign company, and they are legion,
where looking for a domestic small van. Few knew it was built in
Mexico and even fewer realize DerMopar is now a foreign
corporation.
mike hunt
Comments4u wrote:
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> Mini Cooper fails to find niche; Beetle/Cruiser win sale race
>
> BMW's Mini Cooper has thus far failed to find its niche.
> With Mini's piling up on dealer's lots, BMW has started
> an unfocused ad campaign, with slogans such as "You've
> never had so much fun for $16,975" and "Sip, don't guzzle".
>
> So, why could the retro New Beetle and PT Cruiser be such
> successes while the Mini has fallen on its face? After
> all, the Mini too is a good functional car.
>
> First is BMW's gross misunderstanding of the lure of the
> retro look. Its based on good memories. Americans still
> see original Beetles around. While the Cruiser isn't
> styled after a specific 30's car, Americans still see
> the durable 30's Chevrolets, Fords, and Plymouths being
> used as Sunday drivers. But who ever saw the original
> Mini in America? Almost no one.
>
> Back then, America had the world's most successful economy.
> The Big 3 had just invented the "compact" car, Valiants
> and Falcons as big as a typical Mercedes. Americans sure
> weren't interested in a micro car produced for second rate
> economies. And so the original Mini hardly sold in the
> US. There's no retro for Americans to remember with the
> Mini. How BMW could miss such a simple fact can only be
> explained by a smaller dose of the arrogance that let
> Mercedes think it could run Chrysler.
>
> Of course, the New Beetle and the Cruiser aren't successful
> in quite the way intended. It was supposed both would
> attract young buyers of both genders. Instead, both are
> preferred by middle aged and usually slightly plump women.
>
> Here, of course, is a market the Mini has no chance of
> touching. The Mini isn't right for those chunky women,
> whether its the car or the skirt.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Mini Cooper fails to find niche; Beetle/Cruiser win sales .. |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 9:20 pm
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:20:25 +0000, BenDove wrote:
> Actually Americans remember the MINI quite well. Except for a
> lot of interior room it was an under powered, overpriced cheaply
> built turkey.
That's not the whole story. Yes, the quality was quite
british and the car was underpowered, but the kart-like
handling made up for a lot on curvy country roads.
> Buy the way the new Beetles are no longer a ball of
> fire either.
You mean that atrocious Golf IV Coupe? Ugly, highly impractical,
cannot even seat 4 adults without the rear passengers getting
bumps on the backs of their heads due to the bubble shape and
overpriced to boot.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 9:22 pm
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I doubt the ECHO sells any better than the MINI.
mike hunt
Joseph Oberlander wrote:
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> Comments4u wrote:
> > Mini Cooper fails to find niche; Beetle/Cruiser win sale race
> >
> > BMW's Mini Cooper has thus far failed to find its niche.
> > With Mini's piling up on dealer's lots, BMW has started
> > an unfocused ad campaign, with slogans such as "You've
> > never had so much fun for $16,975" and "Sip, don't guzzle".
>
> It's the price, plain and simple. Why get a Cooper
> when you can get any one of a dozen mini-hatches for $10-$14K?
>
> Take a look at the new Echo hatchback. Small, economical,
> and just as peppy around town. Huge amounts less money.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Mini Cooper fails to find niche; Beetle/Cruiser win sales .. |
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