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Since: Apr 12, 2006 Posts: 124
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:24 pm
Post subject: MPG improves on PU with tonneau cover? Archived from groups: alt>autos>nissan (more info?)
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The beginning of this month I bought a soft tonneau cover for my 97
Nissan PU, 2.4 l, 4 cyl FI, 62,500 miles. He's a good old boy and looks
almost as good as when he was new. I buy him a present every once in a
while. Last time it was a cat-back dual exhaust, and the time before
that, a keyless entry system.
When I installed the cover, I had about 3/4ths of a tank of gas left.
Since driving it with the cover on, it seemed that my trip odometer was
getting a higher reading compared to my gas gauge than before. I usually
traveled 50 miles between the 1/4 markings on the gas gauge, winding up
with about 190 miles with about an 1/8th tank of gas left when I refill
it. I got to 212 miles with about an 1/8th tank left. When I filled the
tank yesterday and made the MPG calculations from my last fill up, it
seems that I was getting 18.34 MPG. I rarely put more than 11-12 gallons
in the 15-7/8 gallon tank. This time, it was 11.595 gallons.
Before the cover was installed, I was averaging around 16.5 MPG. The
last time I filled up before the cover, I got 16.62 MPG. I haven't
changed my driving habits despite the rising gas prices, or made any
long trips, so it may be aerodynamics.
The next time I fill up, the MPG will be calculated with having the
cover on for the entire period between fill ups, so we'll see what develops.
Watch the mpg drop and burst my balloon!
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
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Since: Apr 25, 2008 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:13 pm
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willshak wrote:
> The beginning of this month I bought a soft tonneau cover for my 97
> Nissan PU, 2.4 l, 4 cyl FI, 62,500 miles. He's a good old boy and looks
> almost as good as when he was new. I buy him a present every once in a
> while. Last time it was a cat-back dual exhaust, and the time before
> that, a keyless entry system.
> When I installed the cover, I had about 3/4ths of a tank of gas left.
> Since driving it with the cover on, it seemed that my trip odometer was
> getting a higher reading compared to my gas gauge than before. I usually
> traveled 50 miles between the 1/4 markings on the gas gauge, winding up
> with about 190 miles with about an 1/8th tank of gas left when I refill
> it. I got to 212 miles with about an 1/8th tank left. When I filled the
> tank yesterday and made the MPG calculations from my last fill up, it
> seems that I was getting 18.34 MPG. I rarely put more than 11-12 gallons
> in the 15-7/8 gallon tank. This time, it was 11.595 gallons.
> Before the cover was installed, I was averaging around 16.5 MPG. The
> last time I filled up before the cover, I got 16.62 MPG. I haven't
> changed my driving habits despite the rising gas prices, or made any
> long trips, so it may be aerodynamics.
> The next time I fill up, the MPG will be calculated with having the
> cover on for the entire period between fill ups, so we'll see what
> develops.
> Watch the mpg drop and burst my balloon!
Some mpg savings is to be expected.
You have eliminated the rolling low pressure drag zone in the bed and
created a boundary layer.
The worst thing you can do is drive with the tailgate down, or off, or
with one of those air gate things.
However, to accurately determine the mpg, you will have to fill up the tank.
"About" 1/8 tank is not good enough. Your gas gauge is not linear, either. >> Stay informed about: MPG improves on PU with tonneau cover? |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:10 am
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willshak <willshak.DeleteThis@00hvc.rr.com> wrote in
news:1sGdnYPcBrOlx4_VnZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d@supernews.com:
> The beginning of this month I bought a soft tonneau cover for my 97
> Nissan PU, 2.4 l, 4 cyl FI, 62,500 miles. He's a good old boy and
> looks almost as good as when he was new. I buy him a present every
> once in a while. Last time it was a cat-back dual exhaust, and the
> time before that, a keyless entry system.
> When I installed the cover, I had about 3/4ths of a tank of gas left.
> Since driving it with the cover on, it seemed that my trip odometer
> was getting a higher reading compared to my gas gauge than before. I
> usually traveled 50 miles between the 1/4 markings on the gas gauge,
> winding up with about 190 miles with about an 1/8th tank of gas left
> when I refill it. I got to 212 miles with about an 1/8th tank left.
> When I filled the tank yesterday and made the MPG calculations from my
> last fill up, it seems that I was getting 18.34 MPG. I rarely put more
> than 11-12 gallons in the 15-7/8 gallon tank. This time, it was 11.595
> gallons. Before the cover was installed, I was averaging around 16.5
> MPG. The last time I filled up before the cover, I got 16.62 MPG. I
> haven't changed my driving habits despite the rising gas prices, or
> made any long trips, so it may be aerodynamics.
> The next time I fill up, the MPG will be calculated with having the
> cover on for the entire period between fill ups, so we'll see what
> develops. Watch the mpg drop and burst my balloon!
>
I've read that a bed cover does give better mileage.
The tailgate acts as a spoiler with a lot of drag,so blocking the airflow
into the truck bed reduces drag.
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Jim Yanik
jyanik
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Since: Nov 14, 2007 Posts: 101
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:47 am
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Since: Apr 12, 2006 Posts: 124
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:48 am
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on 4/25/2008 8:13 PM Paul said the following:
> willshak wrote:
>> The beginning of this month I bought a soft tonneau cover for my 97
>> Nissan PU, 2.4 l, 4 cyl FI, 62,500 miles. He's a good old boy and
>> looks almost as good as when he was new. I buy him a present every
>> once in a while. Last time it was a cat-back dual exhaust, and the
>> time before that, a keyless entry system.
>> When I installed the cover, I had about 3/4ths of a tank of gas left.
>> Since driving it with the cover on, it seemed that my trip odometer
>> was getting a higher reading compared to my gas gauge than before. I
>> usually traveled 50 miles between the 1/4 markings on the gas gauge,
>> winding up with about 190 miles with about an 1/8th tank of gas left
>> when I refill it. I got to 212 miles with about an 1/8th tank left.
>> When I filled the tank yesterday and made the MPG calculations from
>> my last fill up, it seems that I was getting 18.34 MPG. I rarely put
>> more than 11-12 gallons in the 15-7/8 gallon tank. This time, it was
>> 11.595 gallons.
>> Before the cover was installed, I was averaging around 16.5 MPG. The
>> last time I filled up before the cover, I got 16.62 MPG. I haven't
>> changed my driving habits despite the rising gas prices, or made any
>> long trips, so it may be aerodynamics.
>> The next time I fill up, the MPG will be calculated with having the
>> cover on for the entire period between fill ups, so we'll see what
>> develops.
>> Watch the mpg drop and burst my balloon!
>
> Some mpg savings is to be expected.
> You have eliminated the rolling low pressure drag zone in the bed and
> created a boundary layer.
> The worst thing you can do is drive with the tailgate down, or off, or
> with one of those air gate things.
> However, to accurately determine the mpg, you will have to fill up the
> tank.
> "About" 1/8 tank is not good enough. Your gas gauge is not linear,
> either.
>
I 'fill up' when the gauge gets 'down' to about 1/8th of a tank, not
just put 1/8ths of gas in the tank.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
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Since: Jan 03, 2006 Posts: 63
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:27 pm
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who cares ! did you buy the cover for gas savings ?
Dick
"willshak" <willshak DeleteThis @00hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> on 4/25/2008 8:13 PM Paul said the following:
>> willshak wrote:
>>> The beginning of this month I bought a soft tonneau cover for my 97
>>> Nissan PU, 2.4 l, 4 cyl FI, 62,500 miles. He's a good old boy and looks
>>> almost as good as when he was new. I buy him a present every once in a
>>> while. Last time it was a cat-back dual exhaust, and the time before
>>> that, a keyless entry system.
>>> When I installed the cover, I had about 3/4ths of a tank of gas left.
>>> Since driving it with the cover on, it seemed that my trip odometer was
>>> getting a higher reading compared to my gas gauge than before. I usually
>>> traveled 50 miles between the 1/4 markings on the gas gauge, winding up
>>> with about 190 miles with about an 1/8th tank of gas left when I refill
>>> it. I got to 212 miles with about an 1/8th tank left. When I filled the
>>> tank yesterday and made the MPG calculations from my last fill up, it
>>> seems that I was getting 18.34 MPG. I rarely put more than 11-12 gallons
>>> in the 15-7/8 gallon tank. This time, it was 11.595 gallons.
>>> Before the cover was installed, I was averaging around 16.5 MPG. The
>>> last time I filled up before the cover, I got 16.62 MPG. I haven't
>>> changed my driving habits despite the rising gas prices, or made any
>>> long trips, so it may be aerodynamics.
>>> The next time I fill up, the MPG will be calculated with having the
>>> cover on for the entire period between fill ups, so we'll see what
>>> develops.
>>> Watch the mpg drop and burst my balloon!
>>
>> Some mpg savings is to be expected.
>> You have eliminated the rolling low pressure drag zone in the bed and
>> created a boundary layer.
>> The worst thing you can do is drive with the tailgate down, or off, or
>> with one of those air gate things.
>> However, to accurately determine the mpg, you will have to fill up the
>> tank.
>> "About" 1/8 tank is not good enough. Your gas gauge is not linear,
>> either.
>>
>
> I 'fill up' when the gauge gets 'down' to about 1/8th of a tank, not just
> put 1/8ths of gas in the tank.
>
> --
>
> Bill
> In Hamptonburgh, NY
> To email, remove the double zeroes after @ >> Stay informed about: MPG improves on PU with tonneau cover? |
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Since: Apr 12, 2006 Posts: 124
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:02 pm
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on 4/26/2008 7:27 PM D. said the following:
> who cares ! did you buy the cover for gas savings ?
> Dick
>
Well, you care enough to comment. Dick is a good name for you.
> "willshak" <willshak RemoveThis @00hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:fdGdnfbREb4_uY7VnZ2dnUVZ_q-jnZ2d@supernews.com...
>
>> on 4/25/2008 8:13 PM Paul said the following:
>>
>>> willshak wrote:
>>>
>>>> The beginning of this month I bought a soft tonneau cover for my 97
>>>> Nissan PU, 2.4 l, 4 cyl FI, 62,500 miles. He's a good old boy and looks
>>>> almost as good as when he was new. I buy him a present every once in a
>>>> while. Last time it was a cat-back dual exhaust, and the time before
>>>> that, a keyless entry system.
>>>> When I installed the cover, I had about 3/4ths of a tank of gas left.
>>>> Since driving it with the cover on, it seemed that my trip odometer was
>>>> getting a higher reading compared to my gas gauge than before. I usually
>>>> traveled 50 miles between the 1/4 markings on the gas gauge, winding up
>>>> with about 190 miles with about an 1/8th tank of gas left when I refill
>>>> it. I got to 212 miles with about an 1/8th tank left. When I filled the
>>>> tank yesterday and made the MPG calculations from my last fill up, it
>>>> seems that I was getting 18.34 MPG. I rarely put more than 11-12 gallons
>>>> in the 15-7/8 gallon tank. This time, it was 11.595 gallons.
>>>> Before the cover was installed, I was averaging around 16.5 MPG. The
>>>> last time I filled up before the cover, I got 16.62 MPG. I haven't
>>>> changed my driving habits despite the rising gas prices, or made any
>>>> long trips, so it may be aerodynamics.
>>>> The next time I fill up, the MPG will be calculated with having the
>>>> cover on for the entire period between fill ups, so we'll see what
>>>> develops.
>>>> Watch the mpg drop and burst my balloon!
>>>>
>>> Some mpg savings is to be expected.
>>> You have eliminated the rolling low pressure drag zone in the bed and
>>> created a boundary layer.
>>> The worst thing you can do is drive with the tailgate down, or off, or
>>> with one of those air gate things.
>>> However, to accurately determine the mpg, you will have to fill up the
>>> tank.
>>> "About" 1/8 tank is not good enough. Your gas gauge is not linear,
>>> either.
>>>
>>>
>> I 'fill up' when the gauge gets 'down' to about 1/8th of a tank, not just
>> put 1/8ths of gas in the tank.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Bill
>> In Hamptonburgh, NY
>> To email, remove the double zeroes after @
>>
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>
>
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In Hamptonburgh, NY
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Since: Dec 30, 2007 Posts: 5
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:36 am
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D. wrote:
> who cares ! did you buy the cover for gas savings ?
> Dick
> "willshak" <willshak DeleteThis @00hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:fdGdnfbREb4_uY7VnZ2dnUVZ_q-jnZ2d@supernews.com...
>> on 4/25/2008 8:13 PM Paul said the following:
>>> willshak wrote:
>>>> The beginning of this month I bought a soft tonneau cover for my 97
>>>> Nissan PU, 2.4 l, 4 cyl FI, 62,500 miles. He's a good old boy and looks
>>>> almost as good as when he was new. I buy him a present every once in a
>>>> while. Last time it was a cat-back dual exhaust, and the time before
>>>> that, a keyless entry system.
>>>> When I installed the cover, I had about 3/4ths of a tank of gas left.
>>>> Since driving it with the cover on, it seemed that my trip odometer was
>>>> getting a higher reading compared to my gas gauge than before. I usually
>>>> traveled 50 miles between the 1/4 markings on the gas gauge, winding up
>>>> with about 190 miles with about an 1/8th tank of gas left when I refill
>>>> it. I got to 212 miles with about an 1/8th tank left. When I filled the
>>>> tank yesterday and made the MPG calculations from my last fill up, it
>>>> seems that I was getting 18.34 MPG. I rarely put more than 11-12 gallons
>>>> in the 15-7/8 gallon tank. This time, it was 11.595 gallons.
>>>> Before the cover was installed, I was averaging around 16.5 MPG. The
>>>> last time I filled up before the cover, I got 16.62 MPG. I haven't
>>>> changed my driving habits despite the rising gas prices, or made any
>>>> long trips, so it may be aerodynamics.
>>>> The next time I fill up, the MPG will be calculated with having the
>>>> cover on for the entire period between fill ups, so we'll see what
>>>> develops.
>>>> Watch the mpg drop and burst my balloon!
>>> Some mpg savings is to be expected.
>>> You have eliminated the rolling low pressure drag zone in the bed and
>>> created a boundary layer.
>>> The worst thing you can do is drive with the tailgate down, or off, or
>>> with one of those air gate things.
>>> However, to accurately determine the mpg, you will have to fill up the
>>> tank.
>>> "About" 1/8 tank is not good enough. Your gas gauge is not linear,
>>> either.
>>>
>> I 'fill up' when the gauge gets 'down' to about 1/8th of a tank, not just
>> put 1/8ths of gas in the tank.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Bill
>> In Hamptonburgh, NY
>> To email, remove the double zeroes after @
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:26 pm
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Urban Legend
This theory was disproved on Mythbusters an while back
I'm glad your getting better mileage but I don't thing the cover is causing
it
"willshak" <willshak.RemoveThis@00hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> The beginning of this month I bought a soft tonneau cover for my 97 Nissan
> PU, 2.4 l, 4 cyl FI, 62,500 miles. He's a good old boy and looks almost as
> good as when he was new. I buy him a present every once in a while. Last
> time it was a cat-back dual exhaust, and the time before that, a keyless
> entry system.
> When I installed the cover, I had about 3/4ths of a tank of gas left.
> Since driving it with the cover on, it seemed that my trip odometer was
> getting a higher reading compared to my gas gauge than before. I usually
> traveled 50 miles between the 1/4 markings on the gas gauge, winding up
> with about 190 miles with about an 1/8th tank of gas left when I refill
> it. I got to 212 miles with about an 1/8th tank left. When I filled the
> tank yesterday and made the MPG calculations from my last fill up, it
> seems that I was getting 18.34 MPG. I rarely put more than 11-12 gallons
> in the 15-7/8 gallon tank. This time, it was 11.595 gallons.
> Before the cover was installed, I was averaging around 16.5 MPG. The last
> time I filled up before the cover, I got 16.62 MPG. I haven't changed my
> driving habits despite the rising gas prices, or made any long trips, so
> it may be aerodynamics.
> The next time I fill up, the MPG will be calculated with having the cover
> on for the entire period between fill ups, so we'll see what develops.
> Watch the mpg drop and burst my balloon!
>
> --
>
> Bill
> In Hamptonburgh, NY
> To email, remove the double zeroes after @ >> Stay informed about: MPG improves on PU with tonneau cover? |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:01 am
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"NissTech" <haywood_jablowme.TakeThisOut@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Urban Legend
>
> This theory was disproved on Mythbusters an while back
Which theory? I love Mythbusters, but sometimes they don't think
through their "proof." I think they did a good job with the tailgate
up / tailgate down myth, but not so sure on the tonneau cover. As I
recall, they showed no improvement for the tonneau for their
particular vehicle and a maximum speed of 55 mph. I am not sure you
can say this is generally true for all pick-ups and higher speeds.
55 mph is really not fast enough to make definitive statements about
issues related to aerodynamic drag and fuel economy. It is in the
range of the speed where aerodynamics becomes the primary influence on
fuel economy (the actual transition point varies by vehicle). It is
close enough to the transition point that other factors may still be
primary, and mask the effects of aerodynamic improvements.
I don't think comparing the mileage for one or two tankfuls of gas is
going to prove anything in this case. The change in mileage is going
to be small (probably on the order of a few percent at the most).
Unless you have a lab set-up, you need to compare many miles of
highway driving with and without the tonneau to come to a valid
conclusion. A gas mileage log book would be essential to drawing a
decent conclusion.
Ed
> I'm glad your getting better mileage but I don't thing the cover is
> causing it
>
> "willshak" <willshak.TakeThisOut@00hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:1sGdnYPcBrOlx4_VnZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d@supernews.com...
>> The beginning of this month I bought a soft tonneau cover for my 97
>> Nissan PU, 2.4 l, 4 cyl FI, 62,500 miles. He's a good old boy and
>> looks almost as good as when he was new. I buy him a present every
>> once in a while. Last time it was a cat-back dual exhaust, and the
>> time before that, a keyless entry system.
>> When I installed the cover, I had about 3/4ths of a tank of gas
>> left. Since driving it with the cover on, it seemed that my trip
>> odometer was getting a higher reading compared to my gas gauge than
>> before. I usually traveled 50 miles between the 1/4 markings on the
>> gas gauge, winding up with about 190 miles with about an 1/8th tank
>> of gas left when I refill it. I got to 212 miles with about an
>> 1/8th tank left. When I filled the tank yesterday and made the MPG
>> calculations from my last fill up, it seems that I was getting
>> 18.34 MPG. I rarely put more than 11-12 gallons in the 15-7/8
>> gallon tank. This time, it was 11.595 gallons.
>> Before the cover was installed, I was averaging around 16.5 MPG.
>> The last time I filled up before the cover, I got 16.62 MPG. I
>> haven't changed my driving habits despite the rising gas prices, or
>> made any long trips, so it may be aerodynamics.
>> The next time I fill up, the MPG will be calculated with having the
>> cover on for the entire period between fill ups, so we'll see what
>> develops.
>> Watch the mpg drop and burst my balloon!
>>
>> --
>>
>> Bill
>> In Hamptonburgh, NY
>> To email, remove the double zeroes after @
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