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JD

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:23 am
Post subject: Limited slip for W124 300D?
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Anyone know of an aftermarket LSD for this beast? Kleeman and Quaife
make them for V8 and V12 Mercs but no joy for us guys whose needs are
limited to winter and wet weather driving. From what I've heard of MB's
ASR the last thing I want is to retrofit one of those into my car.

JD

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:12 pm
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LSD is not really necessary. My diesel doesn't have it either. I prefer not
to have it... Parking is much much much easier without LSD. Turning radius
is also much much much smaller without LSD.

If tire slipping on slipper road is your issue, then get good tires...
nothing else will solve the problem.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:12 pm
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I guess I'm a bit confused. How does an LSD affect steering geometry?
I've never noticed the difference in any other LSD equipped car I've
ever owned. I have Hakkapelitas on my car now so I don't think the tires
are the issue.

JD




Tiger wrote:
> LSD is not really necessary. My diesel doesn't have it either. I prefer not
> to have it... Parking is much much much easier without LSD. Turning radius
> is also much much much smaller without LSD.
>
> If tire slipping on slipper road is your issue, then get good tires...
> nothing else will solve the problem.
>
>
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:13 pm
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Limited slip... as oppose to open differential... Limited slip will lock
both wheel to a certain extent so one wheel cannot stay still while the
other wheel spins... therefore both wheels has to keep moving and therefore
the steering wheel turning radius is magnified.

I have BMW with limited slip... I hate parking this car... hard to get in
and hard to get out... especially with narrow parking lot.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:31 pm
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:13:18 -0500, "Tiger" <tiger0002 DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
wrote:

>I have BMW with limited slip... I hate parking this car... hard to get in
>and hard to get out... especially with narrow parking lot.
>
If you are having one wheel lock up during parking manoeuvres, and you
are not trying to spin your wheels or park at 80 mph, then I'd have to
suggest your limited slip differential is just not working correctly.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:12 am
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You have something wrong with your car.


"Tiger" <tiger0002.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Limited slip... as oppose to open differential... Limited slip will lock
> both wheel to a certain extent so one wheel cannot stay still while the
> other wheel spins... therefore both wheels has to keep moving and
> therefore the steering wheel turning radius is magnified.
>
> I have BMW with limited slip... I hate parking this car... hard to get in
> and hard to get out... especially with narrow parking lot.
>
>
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:32 am
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Really? My friend with a Caddilac that has Limited Slip does the same thing.
I'll research into this more.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:52 am
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:13 pm
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I know how it works, I'm just trying to find a purely mechanical (no MB
ASD or ASR) aftermarket LSD that will fit my '92 300D.

JD





Tiger wrote:
> Good info here
>
> http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential4.htm
>
>
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:51 am
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On Dec 17, 11:13 pm, JD <jdblackwe....RemoveThis@gstringmail.com> wrote:
> I know how it works, I'm just trying to find a purely mechanical (no MB
> ASD or ASR) aftermarket LSD that will fit my '92 300D.
>
So am I for '91 300 SEL (W140)
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:15 am
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Yeah... mine is also a plain vanilla... no traction control whatsoever. I
kinda like this as it gives me full flexibility.

Don't get me wrong... having traction control would help alot for
everyone... even me. The tradeoff is that drivers become complacent in
'traction' department. They don't care about road condition... bitch and
moan when tires are slipping... blame the car on the accident and blame
everything else but themselves.

With all crazy drivers out there... no wonder we are paying high premiums in
insurance... because of this 'traction' stupidity.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:45 pm
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On Dec 19, 4:15 pm, "Tiger" <tiger0....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah... mine is also a plain vanilla... no traction control whatsoever. I
> kinda like this as it gives me full flexibility.
>
> Don't get me wrong... having traction control would help alot for
> everyone... even me. The tradeoff is that drivers become complacent in
> 'traction' department. They don't care about road condition... bitch and
> moan when tires are slipping... blame the car on the accident and blame
> everything else but themselves.
>
> With all crazy drivers out there... no wonder we are paying high premiums in
> insurance... because of this 'traction' stupidity.

Fully agree. Driver's capabilities should not be forgotten.

But with a heavy W140 starting at a traffic light and barely coming
across in time due to slipping wheels and with a tail of impatient
other cars isn't the best way of coming in good mood in the morning
traffic.

Yes, good winter tires makes a world in difference. Still in a wet icy
conditions, W140 is slower than the rest. A LSD would make another
world in difference.

Your point about limited narrow turning capabilities is noted.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:19 pm
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Tiger wrote:
> Yeah... mine is also a plain vanilla... no traction control whatsoever. I
> kinda like this as it gives me full flexibility.
>
> Don't get me wrong... having traction control would help alot for
> everyone... even me. The tradeoff is that drivers become complacent in
> 'traction' department. They don't care about road condition... bitch and
> moan when tires are slipping... blame the car on the accident and blame
> everything else but themselves.
>
> With all crazy drivers out there... no wonder we are paying high premiums in
> insurance... because of this 'traction' stupidity.
>
>

Full flexibility?? I noticed no difference in my '72 Datsun 510 when put
a NISMO LSD in it. It turns just as tight and backs up with no drama.
Road conditions here are so slippery that even the best tires
(Hakkapelittas on my Merc) slip at a start. Having one wheel spin tends
to lead to a bit of sideways slippage as well. If all I really needed
was for both wheels to spin for a couple of weeks in the winter I'd put
up an LSD for the rest of the year anyway.

JD
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:36 am
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Which Hakka do you have?

Put some sandbags in the trunk... 100 pound is enough in most case.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 11:55 am
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Tiger wrote:
> Which Hakka do you have?
>
> Put some sandbags in the trunk... 100 pound is enough in most case.
>

Winter road maintenance is an arcane science as yet unknown to most
Puget Sound municipalities. The city of Bellingham sold all their snow
removal equipment thinking that we don't get enough snow up here to
justify keeping them. Of course the idiots who came up with this bright
idea are out of office now and revenues aren't sufficient to replace
them. The best tires in the world on all 4 corners and 200 pounds of
weight in the trunk don't make a difference when only one wheel is
delivering on a slick surface. Really, if I hadn't tried all the tricks
for driving in snow I wouldn't be looking spend the money on an
aftermarket LSD. In a perfect world I'd be able to go to my junkyard and
pick up a factory unit that will bolt right in. Why Mercedes decided
that a simple mechanical LSD shouldn't be a standard feature eludes me.

JD
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