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Since: Mar 31, 2005
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:24 pm
Post subject: Intake Failure 3800 Park Avenue
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Well group it havent been 2 weeks befor i thought i had saved my self some
big bucks .. Sunday nite my park avenue quit on my while traveling down
I-85. Started making rattling noise and died, Had car towed back to Sandy's
Service center which they broke donw the engine and calling me just to day
to tell me I need a engine. They rechecked there work and went to the oil
pan and discovered the bearing had spun. $4000.00 for a new engine or i
could settle for a rebuilt. I did tune up and all last week an this is what
happen . Thanks a lot GM.
Had my 99 park avenue 3800 II plenum and lower intake gaskets fix, cool with
in two weeks my car had consumed a full resivor of coolant, no exterior
leaks could be seen. but kept adding coolant. Did my research, and found all
the talk bout the 3800 and 3.4 & 3.1 liter engine with dex cool and
gaskets.. BUICK dealter told me $625 to replace both if needed, my mechanic
she only charged me $358.. She showed me that there was a hole in the
plenum also showed me in due time the gasket was bound to fail, with all the
weak spots in it. She replaced it with a thicker gasket...
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:45 pm
Post subject: Re: Intake Failure 3800 Park Avenue [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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This may have been avoided, was the oil changed when this job was done, if
not it should have been ,if so there would have signs of coolant in the oil,
this would have signalled the shop to suspect possible bearing damage from
the intermix and pull the pan down to look at the bearings, this is the
standard procedure with this type of extreme internal coolant loss.
"J&R Smith" <SMIT1723 RemoveThis @CHARTER.NET> wrote in message
news:GxCbe.24079$c42.9203@fe07.lga...
> Well group it havent been 2 weeks befor i thought i had saved my self
> some
> big bucks .. Sunday nite my park avenue quit on my while traveling down
> I-85. Started making rattling noise and died, Had car towed back to
> Sandy's
> Service center which they broke donw the engine and calling me just to day
> to tell me I need a engine. They rechecked there work and went to the oil
> pan and discovered the bearing had spun. $4000.00 for a new engine or i
> could settle for a rebuilt. I did tune up and all last week an this is
> what
> happen . Thanks a lot GM.
>
> Had my 99 park avenue 3800 II plenum and lower intake gaskets fix, cool
> with
> in two weeks my car had consumed a full resivor of coolant, no exterior
> leaks could be seen. but kept adding coolant. Did my research, and found
> all
> the talk bout the 3800 and 3.4 & 3.1 liter engine with dex cool and
> gaskets.. BUICK dealter told me $625 to replace both if needed, my
> mechanic
> she only charged me $358.. She showed me that there was a hole in the
> plenum also showed me in due time the gasket was bound to fail, with all
> the
> weak spots in it. She replaced it with a thicker gasket...
>
> Thanks Sandy you are a awesome mechanic
>
>
>
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:17 pm
Post subject: Re: Intake Failure 3800 Park Avenue [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:53 pm
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"Da udder one ya dont know" <no_one_you_know34474.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:1114636642.527912.97240@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Perhaps the $300 you didn't spend would have saved you 4 grand. Don't
> thank GM for your problems, thanks the cheap fast stupid mechanic you
> hired.
No he needs to thank GM for the poor design because he really should not
have had to be bothered with replacing the gasket in the first place, just
like hundreds and thousands of others who have had the same problem. A great
way for GM to build customer loyalty. After being a life long fan of GM, I
am about to jump ship if they dont come out with something worth buying
....fast.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:55 pm
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Lil Rascal wrote:
> "Da udder one ya dont know" <no_one_you_know34474.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in
> message news:1114636642.527912.97240@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Perhaps the $300 you didn't spend would have saved you 4 grand. Don't
>>thank GM for your problems, thanks the cheap fast stupid mechanic you
>>hired.
>
>
> No he needs to thank GM for the poor design because he really should not
> have had to be bothered with replacing the gasket in the first place, just
> like hundreds and thousands of others who have had the same problem. A great
> way for GM to build customer loyalty. After being a life long fan of GM, I
> am about to jump ship if they dont come out with something worth buying
> ...fast.
This personally does also bother me. I'm in the market for a new
or newer car right now(well when my refund comes - heh) and it's
a real PITA that I have to avoid half of their entire lineup
because of the proliferation of the same 3.x engines with the
same nasty problem that they can't seem to manage to fix.
Chrysler is the same, too, with their gaskets and also their
transmissions. 30K and a blown head gasket is impossible
to believe. My 81 Buick was a complete piece of junk and
yet the engine never had gasket problems(though just about
everything else died, the engine still ran at 150K+)
Ford, well, they're Ford. Test drove a Contour a while back
and it did nothing for a full second during an emergency
downshift to avoid a car going through a red light.
"Oh no! *stomp*...one thousand... *thunk!*"(audable slamming
into gear)
Right now, a Vibe is near the top of the list. Toyota engine
design, and GM pricing and incentives. Unfortunately, it's
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Since: Apr 25, 2005
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:13 am
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You know that everything that goes "round and round" is going to brake
down. I doesn't matter what brand it is it is going to brake sometime
some where. GM trannys and the 3800 engine are probably it's strongest
point. Granted their styling sucks but that's easily changed. I do
think that if they had taken it to a GM repair facility GM would have
done it correctly. >> Stay informed about: Intake Failure 3800 Park Avenue |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:55 am
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> No he needs to thank GM for the poor design because he really should not
> have had to be bothered with replacing the gasket in the first place, just
> like hundreds and thousands of others who have had the same problem. A
> great
> way for GM to build customer loyalty. After being a life long fan of GM, I
> am about to jump ship if they dont come out with something worth buying
> ...fast.
>>
Yep, GM really cannot afford to be pissing off as many of their loyal
customers as they have been, but the endless round of intake manifold gasket
failures and the engines those failure often take with them are sure putting
a bite on the General.
Honda has had some chronic problems with transmissions ... and responded by
automatically extending the transmission warranty to 100,000 miles on the
affected models. Do you think the General would ever be that smart?
It seems that the once strong US based auto industry is in the long painful
process of killing itself.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:55 am
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John Horner wrote:
>>No he needs to thank GM for the poor design because he really should not
>>have had to be bothered with replacing the gasket in the first place, just
>>like hundreds and thousands of others who have had the same problem. A
>>great
>>way for GM to build customer loyalty. After being a life long fan of GM, I
>>am about to jump ship if they dont come out with something worth buying
>>...fast.
>>
>
> Yep, GM really cannot afford to be pissing off as many of their loyal
> customers as they have been, but the endless round of intake manifold gasket
> failures and the engines those failure often take with them are sure putting
> a bite on the General.
>
> Honda has had some chronic problems with transmissions ... and responded by
> automatically extending the transmission warranty to 100,000 miles on the
> affected models. Do you think the General would ever be that smart?
Honda was smart - you'd rather loose money than customers anyday
as it gives you plenty of time to fix your problems. Loose
a customer and well, they 99% of the time won't come back
thanks to the hundreds of cars to chose from.(not even counting
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 11:55 am
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Sorry to hear about your PA engine problem. I have a 98 PA and have been
keeping an eagle eye on the cooolant level in hopes of catching any problems
early. My vehicle has 51K miles on it an no problems so far. Was curious if
you noticed an external coolant leak right before you had the intake gaskets
replaced? Also, did they inspect the EGR stovepipe for deterioration when
they had the intakes off? I understand that the EGR stovepipe, which has
coolant around it, can develop a leak and allow coolant directly into the
engine intake. Was also curious if you think the gasket replacement wasn't
done correctly and that is why coolant got into the oil and caused the
bearing failure? How many miles did your 99 PA have on it when this failure
occurred? Thanks for any info you can provide. >> Stay informed about: Intake Failure 3800 Park Avenue |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:55 pm
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"Da udder one ya dont know" <no_one_you_know34474.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:1114769601.658555.110490@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> You know that everything that goes "round and round" is going to brake
> down. I doesn't matter what brand it is it is going to brake sometime
> some where. GM trannys and the 3800 engine are probably it's strongest
> point. Granted their styling sucks but that's easily changed. I do
> think that if they had taken it to a GM repair facility GM would have
> done it correctly.
>
You obviously have not researched the chronic intake manifold gasket
problems of the 3.1-3.4l engines and the leaking plastic manifold of the
late model 3.8l.
I have owned two well maintained GM 3.4l powered minivans .... both of which
needed the intake manifold gaskets replaced within 3 years of purchase.
This is common on these vehicles. Many times the failure is not caught
early and the anti-freeze leakage into the oil causes massive problems.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:55 pm
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"Nelson Reifsnider" <kb3ca.TakeThisOut@erols.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry to hear about your PA engine problem. I have a 98 PA and have been
> keeping an eagle eye on the cooolant level in hopes of catching any
> problems early. My vehicle has 51K miles on it an no problems so far. Was
> curious if you noticed an external coolant leak right before you had the
> intake gaskets replaced? Also, did they inspect the EGR stovepipe for
> deterioration when they had the intakes off? I understand that the EGR
> stovepipe, which has coolant around it, can develop a leak and allow
> coolant directly into the engine intake. Was also curious if you think the
> gasket replacement wasn't done correctly and that is why coolant got into
> the oil and caused the bearing failure? How many miles did your 99 PA have
> on it when this failure occurred? Thanks for any info you can provide.
>
On any of these engines a person should spend the $20 at least once per year
for an engine oil analysis. This will show you signs of coolant
contamination long before the drop in levels becomes very noticeable.
I use Blackstone Laboratories: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.blackstone-labs.com/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.blackstone-labs.com/index.html</a>
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:27 pm
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And I own a 91 Transport with 215k miles on a 3.1 and never had the
gasket problem only timing chain and gears at 98k miles. Still has
original exhaust and it's still quiet too. This thing has been rode
hard and put away wet many times and never any major problem.
My original comment has to do with his mechanic NOT checking the oil
for contamination after a gasket change. The bad oil is what caused the
failure of the rod bearing. Like I said, cheap mechanic equals
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:55 pm
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In article
<1114810025.960462.317250.DeleteThis@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Da udder one ya dont know" <no_one_you_know34474.DeleteThis@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> And I own a 91 Transport with 215k miles on a 3.1 and never had the
> gasket problem only timing chain and gears at 98k miles. Still has
> original exhaust and it's still quiet too. This thing has been rode
> hard and put away wet many times and never any major problem.
Your 91 doesn't use the same design of intake manifold gaskets as
the failure prone ones being discussed, it also didn't come with
DexCool coolant which -may- play a role in the premature gasket
failures.
> My original comment has to do with his mechanic NOT checking the oil
> for contamination after a gasket change. The bad oil is what caused the
> failure of the rod bearing. Like I said, cheap mechanic equals
> incomplete job.
Actually, this whole story stinks of contamination by 3M 'Roloc"
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:55 pm
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:55 pm
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> Actually, this whole story stinks of contamination by 3M 'Roloc"
> pads.
Interesting point. 3M should take those things off the market IMO.
Somewhere GM has a TSB out warning not to use them because of the abrasives
which get left behind.
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