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jim_nospam_beasley

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:54 am
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I've read a few posts about stuck ignition keys, and some of them hint
that this may relate to starting problems. I don't understand enough
about what goes on in the ignition switch to figure this out, so I
would be grateful if someone could explain it to me.

Here's the problem. The truck is a 1994 Suburban K1500 4WD with
213,000 miles. When the engine is running, it runs very well, but just
recently it has failed to start sometimes. The engine turns over, but
I get no sounds like ignition is occurring.

When it won't start, here's what I can tell you:
1) When the key is in the start position, I can hear something what
sounds like a fuel pump.
2) The key got stuck in the ignition last night. It wouldn't come out
of the start position. So I could crank it, it wouldn't start, and it
would only back off to the run position.
3) As for the stuck key, I tried moving the steering wheel, shifting
the transmission (automatic, on the column). This didn't work.
4) This morning, I pulled one of the spark plug wires and turned the
engine over, and I have spark. (When I did this test, the engine
started, so lack of spark might still be the problem.)

The stuck key problem started a few month ago, but I haven't had the
problem for quite awhile, so I assumed it was a badly cut key. When
the engine wouldn't start a couple of days ago, the key was not
sticking. Then last night when the engine wouldn't start, the key was
stuck. I had it towed home.

I disconnected the battery last night and gave it a full charge. This
morning I hooked it back up. I could hear the fuel pump running.I
tested for spark (#4 above), and could see the spark. While doing
this, the engine started. I shut it down and the key came out easily.

Is the key and ignition switch the problem? If so, how?

Thanks,
Jim

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jim_nospam_beasley

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:08 pm
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>> Is the key and ignition switch the problem?
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> Do not confuse the ignition switch which is mounted on the top of the
> steering column at its base, with the key and lock assembly located below
> the steering wheel.
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I think I understand you. So i my case, the key is stuck in the lock
cylinder for some reason. My have something to do with no start, maybe
not.


One other thing that might be worth mentioning:

For several months, when the ignition key is inserted and turned to
the start position , I hear a very loud tapping sound coming from
somewhere in front of the firewall on the passenger side. The tapping
(about 4 per second) continues for about 15 to 20 seconds after the
engine starts. When turn the key to off, the tapping occurs again for
the about the same amount of time, even when the key is removed. I
pulled each fuse in the fuse panel by the brake release, and couldn't
get the tapping to stop. I disconnected the battery (when the engine
is off), and the tapping stops. I considered this to be just an
annoying noise that I couldn't figure out, but now I'm wondering if
it's related.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:13 pm
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> You might have corrosion on the positive battery cable/terminal
> connection.

Ken,
Thank you. I don't know what the battery terminal would have to do
with it. What's your theory about that? The battery terminals are very
clean, and always have been. The battery charges well, also. (It will
discharge after about two weeks of non-operation, but the truck has
been driven nearly every day for the last few months.)

For the time being, I'm assuming that the same is true under the
rubber insulation. But if you could explain a little more, I might be
ready to take it apart.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:18 pm
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Apart from the tapping sound I mentioned in one of the other posts, I
tried starting the truck a couple times this afternoon. It operates
fine, with no hint of a problem. The key operation is as smooth as if
it were new (using the same key that was stuck last night).

I don't want to drive this until I figure out what the problem is. AAA
might cancel my membership if I ask for another tow Smile !
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:52 pm
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jim_nospam_beasley RemoveThis @yahoo.com wrote:
> I've read a few posts about stuck ignition keys, and some of them hint
> that this may relate to starting problems. I don't understand enough
> about what goes on in the ignition switch to figure this out, so I
> would be grateful if someone could explain it to me.
>
> Here's the problem. The truck is a 1994 Suburban K1500 4WD with
> 213,000 miles. When the engine is running, it runs very well, but just
> recently it has failed to start sometimes. The engine turns over, but
> I get no sounds like ignition is occurring.
>
> When it won't start, here's what I can tell you:
> 1) When the key is in the start position, I can hear something what
> sounds like a fuel pump.
> 2) The key got stuck in the ignition last night. It wouldn't come out
> of the start position. So I could crank it, it wouldn't start, and it
> would only back off to the run position.
> 3) As for the stuck key, I tried moving the steering wheel, shifting
> the transmission (automatic, on the column). This didn't work.
> 4) This morning, I pulled one of the spark plug wires and turned the
> engine over, and I have spark. (When I did this test, the engine
> started, so lack of spark might still be the problem.)
>
> The stuck key problem started a few month ago, but I haven't had the
> problem for quite awhile, so I assumed it was a badly cut key. When
> the engine wouldn't start a couple of days ago, the key was not
> sticking. Then last night when the engine wouldn't start, the key was
> stuck. I had it towed home.
>
> I disconnected the battery last night and gave it a full charge. This
> morning I hooked it back up. I could hear the fuel pump running.I
> tested for spark (#4 above), and could see the spark. While doing
> this, the engine started. I shut it down and the key came out easily.
>
> Is the key and ignition switch the problem? If so, how?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
You might have corrosion on the positive battery cable/terminal
connection. Take the positive terminal off. It has 2 cables attached.
One of the cables feeds the starter, the other feeds everything else.
Split the rubber boot and separate the two terminals and the spacer
washer. There will likely be a lot of corrosion here. Wire brush
everything good and soak in baking soda solution, then wire brush it
again. Once you have bright metal, reassemble the terminals, washer, and
bolt. Now there are two schools of thought here for what to do next. One
says to coat the terminals with vaseline to inhibit corrosion. The other
says to coat the terminals with an insulating rubber compound that you
can brush on. I have used the vaseline solution with great success. Be
carefull around the battery after this, as there is an exposed 12 volt
source.

KenG
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:30 pm
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:13 pm
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<jim_nospam_beasley RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:70805fc3-c9fe-4041-b452-26c1f28c1361@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

Do not confuse the ignition switch which is mounted on the top of the
steering column at its base, with the key and lock assembly located below
the steering wheel.

Whitelightning
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:09 pm
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jim_nospam_beasley DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
>>You might have corrosion on the positive battery cable/terminal
>>connection.
>
>
> Ken,
> Thank you. I don't know what the battery terminal would have to do
> with it. What's your theory about that? The battery terminals are very
> clean, and always have been. The battery charges well, also. (It will
> discharge after about two weeks of non-operation, but the truck has
> been driven nearly every day for the last few months.)
>
> For the time being, I'm assuming that the same is true under the
> rubber insulation. But if you could explain a little more, I might be
> ready to take it apart.
Jim,
THe theory is that there are 2 cables in the one terminal. A bad
connection might affect one or both of those cables. One cable goes to
the starter only the other feeds the rest of the vehicle. If the large
one (starter) is affected, then everything will work right, except for
that the starter will not turn when the key is switched to start. If the
other is affected, then the rest of the vehicle will not get power. The
starter may or may not turn, but there will be no ignition, fuel pump or
injector pulses. This is my first choice when there is a "engine will
crank but will not start", or "engine will not crank, but all
accessories operate".
KenG
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