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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:55 pm
Post subject: Hyundai or Kia..Who's at the top status-wise ?
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I was listening to the radio this morning and there was an advertising
promo show from World Kia here in Las Vegas. The main theme
of the program (other than selling Kia's), was that Kia was the
premium brand, outdoing the Hyundai as far as luxury and quality.
I thought it was the other way around, that Kia was the entry level
vehicle from the Hyundai-Kia corporation in Korea.
I guess it was sort of like the relationship between Chevrolet and
Buick was for a while in the old days. Can someone please clarify
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:30 pm
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Please understand that I own both a Kia and Hyundai and like them both, so I
am not biased towards one or the other. But what I see from industry
sources is:
*Up until now, Hyundai has run circles around Kia in terms of quality. Even
amongst similar vehicles, the Hyundai has always had the edge. It helps
that Hyundai hasn't sold a real quality lemon in a while. The 2002-05 Kia
Sedona really drug down Kia's quality (admitting this even though i own
one).
*From the people who test-drive these vehicles, the closest consistent
comparison given is that Hyundai tends to tune their vehicles a little
"sportier." I haven't noticed that at all, but if so, it means that Kia is
a lot like a Pontiac, or at least what the Pontiac moniker is supposed to
mean. Hyundai is trying to change its image from Chevrolet to Oldsmobile.
But, like GM, the Hyundai and Kia vehicles are becoming so similar that I
expect any differences to be pretty much gone within the next couple of
years.
"QX" <nomail.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>I was listening to the radio this morning and there was an advertising
> promo show from World Kia here in Las Vegas. The main theme
> of the program (other than selling Kia's), was that Kia was the
> premium brand, outdoing the Hyundai as far as luxury and quality.
> I thought it was the other way around, that Kia was the entry level
> vehicle from the Hyundai-Kia corporation in Korea.
> I guess it was sort of like the relationship between Chevrolet and
> Buick was for a while in the old days. Can someone please clarify
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:39 pm
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If the post didn't make sense, I meant to say that, "KIA tunes their
vehicles a little sportier." Hyundai tries to tune their vehicles a little
more "family-comfort" oriented.
"Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt DeleteThis @grics.net> wrote in message
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> Please understand that I own both a Kia and Hyundai and like them both, so
> I am not biased towards one or the other. But what I see from industry
> sources is:
>
> *Up until now, Hyundai has run circles around Kia in terms of quality.
> Even amongst similar vehicles, the Hyundai has always had the edge. It
> helps that Hyundai hasn't sold a real quality lemon in a while. The
> 2002-05 Kia Sedona really drug down Kia's quality (admitting this even
> though i own one).
>
> *From the people who test-drive these vehicles, the closest consistent
> comparison given is that Hyundai tends to tune their vehicles a little
> "sportier." I haven't noticed that at all, but if so, it means that Kia
> is a lot like a Pontiac, or at least what the Pontiac moniker is supposed
> to mean. Hyundai is trying to change its image from Chevrolet to
> Oldsmobile.
>
> But, like GM, the Hyundai and Kia vehicles are becoming so similar that I
> expect any differences to be pretty much gone within the next couple of
> years.
>
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> "QX" <nomail DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:39r093pabkmi41ftaefpnmsvalhh6jlmal@4ax.com...
>>I was listening to the radio this morning and there was an advertising
>> promo show from World Kia here in Las Vegas. The main theme
>> of the program (other than selling Kia's), was that Kia was the
>> premium brand, outdoing the Hyundai as far as luxury and quality.
>> I thought it was the other way around, that Kia was the entry level
>> vehicle from the Hyundai-Kia corporation in Korea.
>> I guess it was sort of like the relationship between Chevrolet and
>> Buick was for a while in the old days. Can someone please clarify
>> this?
>
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:59 pm
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My Amanti is much roomier on the inside than the Hyundia. The materials
seem to be fitted slightly better and I look at both VERY closely before
buying the KIA. Because of the added room I choose the KIA brand in
spite of the dealership. The KIA dealership has a well earned POOR
reputation
QX wrote:
> I was listening to the radio this morning and there was an advertising
> promo show from World Kia here in Las Vegas. The main theme
> of the program (other than selling Kia's), was that Kia was the
> premium brand, outdoing the Hyundai as far as luxury and quality.
> I thought it was the other way around, that Kia was the entry level
> vehicle from the Hyundai-Kia corporation in Korea.
> I guess it was sort of like the relationship between Chevrolet and
> Buick was for a while in the old days. Can someone please clarify
> this? >> Stay informed about: Hyundai or Kia..Who's at the top status-wise ? |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:42 pm
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"Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt.TakeThisOut@grics.net> wrote in message
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> If the post didn't make sense, I meant to say that, "KIA tunes their
> vehicles a little sportier." Hyundai tries to tune their vehicles a
> little more "family-comfort" oriented.
>
Never having driven a Kia, I can't say what the difference is. OTOH, the
Hyundai is much sportier than any of my last three Buicks, in spite of the
fact that Buick has improved. My '97 LeSabre was similar to driving a
living room sofa. >> Stay informed about: Hyundai or Kia..Who's at the top status-wise ? |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:27 pm
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Yes, I hear that, and more frequently than I would prefer. But my own Kia
dealership is also my Hyundai dealership, and their reputation is about the
best of any in town (and deservedly so). But I also have two other dealers
within 50 miles. One is also a combined Hyundai/Kia dealership with a lousy
reputation (also well earned), and the other have separate Hyundai and Kia
franchises, with the Kia people having a bit better rep than the Hyundai
people.
I've said it before. You would think by now that car manufacturers would
have learned that service reputation is EVERYTHING these days. But
apparently not.
"DELETETHIS" <"minus200(DELETETHIS)"@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> My Amanti is much roomier on the inside than the Hyundia. The materials
> seem to be fitted slightly better and I look at both VERY closely before
> buying the KIA. Because of the added room I choose the KIA brand in spite
> of the dealership. The KIA dealership has a well earned POOR reputation
>
> QX wrote:
>> I was listening to the radio this morning and there was an advertising
>> promo show from World Kia here in Las Vegas. The main theme
>> of the program (other than selling Kia's), was that Kia was the
>> premium brand, outdoing the Hyundai as far as luxury and quality.
>> I thought it was the other way around, that Kia was the entry level
>> vehicle from the Hyundai-Kia corporation in Korea.
>> I guess it was sort of like the relationship between Chevrolet and
>> Buick was for a while in the old days. Can someone please clarify
>> this? >> Stay informed about: Hyundai or Kia..Who's at the top status-wise ? |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:33 pm
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Hi Rev,
I'm the same as you.... I own a 2003 Kia Sedona and a 2006 Sonata. I've
never had a bit of trouble with either except when the dealership screwed up
a simple spark plug replacement on the Sedona (didn't hook the plugs back up
for the cooling fan system). I love them both although we mostly drive the
Sonata now and just occasionally use the Sedona to pull a small enclosed
trailer. I think your analysis is right on.
Tom
"Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt RemoveThis @grics.net> wrote in message
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> Yes, I hear that, and more frequently than I would prefer. But my own Kia
> dealership is also my Hyundai dealership, and their reputation is about
> the best of any in town (and deservedly so). But I also have two other
> dealers within 50 miles. One is also a combined Hyundai/Kia dealership
> with a lousy reputation (also well earned), and the other have separate
> Hyundai and Kia franchises, with the Kia people having a bit better rep
> than the Hyundai people.
>
> I've said it before. You would think by now that car manufacturers would
> have learned that service reputation is EVERYTHING these days. But
> apparently not.
>
>
> "DELETETHIS" <"minus200(DELETETHIS)"@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:tibki.7595$ca.471@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>> My Amanti is much roomier on the inside than the Hyundia. The materials
>> seem to be fitted slightly better and I look at both VERY closely before
>> buying the KIA. Because of the added room I choose the KIA brand in
>> spite of the dealership. The KIA dealership has a well earned POOR
>> reputation
>>
>> QX wrote:
>>> I was listening to the radio this morning and there was an advertising
>>> promo show from World Kia here in Las Vegas. The main theme
>>> of the program (other than selling Kia's), was that Kia was the
>>> premium brand, outdoing the Hyundai as far as luxury and quality.
>>> I thought it was the other way around, that Kia was the entry level
>>> vehicle from the Hyundai-Kia corporation in Korea.
>>> I guess it was sort of like the relationship between Chevrolet and
>>> Buick was for a while in the old days. Can someone please clarify
>>> this?
>
> >> Stay informed about: Hyundai or Kia..Who's at the top status-wise ? |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:00 pm
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"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp.DeleteThis@snet.net> scribbled:
> "Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt.DeleteThis@grics.net> wrote in message
> news:f6r7gj0212s@enews5.newsguy.com...
>> If the post didn't make sense, I meant to say that, "KIA tunes their
>> vehicles a little sportier." Hyundai tries to tune their vehicles a
>> little more "family-comfort" oriented.
>>
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> Never having driven a Kia, I can't say what the difference is. OTOH,
> the Hyundai is much sportier than any of my last three Buicks, in
> spite of the fact that Buick has improved. My '97 LeSabre was similar
> to driving a living room sofa.
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And I will add that my 06 sonata is much smoother than my Grand Am's. The
Pontiacs feel like they have no suspension in them. You can feel every tiny
ripple in the roadway, the steering is almost stiff, the throttle has a
heavy spring and is really touchy. Just look at it, and you are taking off
from the light. It's awful at parking lot speeds. >> Stay informed about: Hyundai or Kia..Who's at the top status-wise ? |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:55 pm
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At present (2007) if in the market for a new car, I would look at Kia. Not
so a few years ago....But then again, traded 02 SOnata for my 06. What a
difference, my dad callis it my "Little Jag"..
Steve, AZ
"Tom" <tjwitman DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Hi Rev,
>
> I'm the same as you.... I own a 2003 Kia Sedona and a 2006 Sonata. I've
> never had a bit of trouble with either except when the dealership screwed
> up a simple spark plug replacement on the Sedona (didn't hook the plugs
> back up for the cooling fan system). I love them both although we mostly
> drive the Sonata now and just occasionally use the Sedona to pull a small
> enclosed trailer. I think your analysis is right on.
>
> Tom
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> "Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt DeleteThis @grics.net> wrote in message
> news:f6roce01moa@enews2.newsguy.com...
>> Yes, I hear that, and more frequently than I would prefer. But my own
>> Kia dealership is also my Hyundai dealership, and their reputation is
>> about the best of any in town (and deservedly so). But I also have two
>> other dealers within 50 miles. One is also a combined Hyundai/Kia
>> dealership with a lousy reputation (also well earned), and the other have
>> separate Hyundai and Kia franchises, with the Kia people having a bit
>> better rep than the Hyundai people.
>>
>> I've said it before. You would think by now that car manufacturers would
>> have learned that service reputation is EVERYTHING these days. But
>> apparently not.
>>
>>
>> "DELETETHIS" <"minus200(DELETETHIS)"@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:tibki.7595$ca.471@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>>> My Amanti is much roomier on the inside than the Hyundia. The materials
>>> seem to be fitted slightly better and I look at both VERY closely before
>>> buying the KIA. Because of the added room I choose the KIA brand in
>>> spite of the dealership. The KIA dealership has a well earned POOR
>>> reputation
>>>
>>> QX wrote:
>>>> I was listening to the radio this morning and there was an advertising
>>>> promo show from World Kia here in Las Vegas. The main theme
>>>> of the program (other than selling Kia's), was that Kia was the
>>>> premium brand, outdoing the Hyundai as far as luxury and quality.
>>>> I thought it was the other way around, that Kia was the entry level
>>>> vehicle from the Hyundai-Kia corporation in Korea.
>>>> I guess it was sort of like the relationship between Chevrolet and
>>>> Buick was for a while in the old days. Can someone please clarify
>>>> this?
>>
>>
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>
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:43 pm
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:10 am
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I hope you're right, but don't hold your breath.
If you are right, that is about the best commentary that could be made for
that company, and proof that they are really trying to move in the right
direction. And BTW, I have a couple of dealers that I would love to turn in
to Hyundai to get added to that list.
But something gnaws at me that you're wrong. In that case, it is the United
States of America, and Hyundai is just like the others.
I guess it is like football coaches - the only ones who lose their jobs
(typically) are ones who are losing. Even those who have committed
infractions or indiscretions are usually only fired when some losing is
involved. For most companies, losing is defined ONLY by dollars and cents.
You'll note I said cents, not sense. We will see which one Hyundai cares
about.
"Bob Adkins" <bob.adkins RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 17:27:30 -0500, "Rev. Tom Wenndt"
> <trwenndt RemoveThis @grics.net> wrote:
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>>I've said it before. You would think by now that car manufacturers would
>>have learned that service reputation is EVERYTHING these days. But
>>apparently not.
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> I think Hyundai hears you. They made an announcement a couple of
> months back that some "under performing" dealers would be dropped.
> Perhaps they were talking about sales, but I got the impression they
> were talking about service.
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> Bob >> Stay informed about: Hyundai or Kia..Who's at the top status-wise ? |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:33 pm
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:59 pm
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In article <hde5935ulvcv6eaqf8cmtcd5anpe74g24c.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
Bob Adkins <bob.adkins.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 17:27:30 -0500, "Rev. Tom Wenndt"
> <trwenndt.RemoveThis@grics.net> wrote:
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> >I've said it before. You would think by now that car manufacturers would
> >have learned that service reputation is EVERYTHING these days. But
> >apparently not.
>
> I think Hyundai hears you. They made an announcement a couple of
> months back that some "under performing" dealers would be dropped.
> Perhaps they were talking about sales, but I got the impression they
> were talking about service.
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> Bob
They were talking sales. Hyundai corporate had expected a minimum
number of vehicles sold by Hyundai America and that target was not met.
Naturally, service does play a role in that but it was the sales arm
that is being targeted. I don't know about Hyundai of Canada.
As far as who has the higher "status", I think it's still early in the
game but Hyundai seems to be reserving the polish of prestige for
itself. The Sonata, Azera and the new Santa Fe and Veracruz all ooze
class. Add to that the upcoming "Genesis" model - which might very well
be the genesis (pun intended) of a line of high prestige vehicles - and
a picture emerges of a classier Hyundai.
Kia seems to retain a sportier, edgier image. The upcoming Kia Kue will
set a new tone and direction for the company, IMHO.
My 2 cents.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:20 am
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"Tim Lapin" <random006 DeleteThis @sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> In article <hde5935ulvcv6eaqf8cmtcd5anpe74g24c DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
> Bob Adkins <bob.adkins DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 17:27:30 -0500, "Rev. Tom Wenndt"
>> <trwenndt DeleteThis @grics.net> wrote:
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>> >I've said it before. You would think by now that car manufacturers
>> >would
>> >have learned that service reputation is EVERYTHING these days. But
>> >apparently not.
>>
>> I think Hyundai hears you. They made an announcement a couple of
>> months back that some "under performing" dealers would be dropped.
>> Perhaps they were talking about sales, but I got the impression they
>> were talking about service.
>> -
>>
>> Bob
>
> They were talking sales. Hyundai corporate had expected a minimum
> number of vehicles sold by Hyundai America and that target was not met.
> Naturally, service does play a role in that but it was the sales arm
> that is being targeted. I don't know about Hyundai of Canada.
>
> As far as who has the higher "status", I think it's still early in the
> game but Hyundai seems to be reserving the polish of prestige for
> itself. The Sonata, Azera and the new Santa Fe and Veracruz all ooze
> class. Add to that the upcoming "Genesis" model - which might very well
> be the genesis (pun intended) of a line of high prestige vehicles - and
> a picture emerges of a classier Hyundai.
>
> Kia seems to retain a sportier, edgier image. The upcoming Kia Kue will
> set a new tone and direction for the company, IMHO.
>
> My 2 cents.
FWIW ~ when I was younger and couldn't afford anything "classier" than a
thoroughly used beater, I would look "up" at the flashier models. Now that
I am several decades older and living comfortably, my ultimate definition of
"car class" are the three little words "It's paid for"!
Rich
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"mookie" <z.DeleteThis@tink.net> wrote in message
> FWIW ~ when I was younger and couldn't afford anything "classier" than a
> thoroughly used beater, I would look "up" at the flashier models. Now
> that I am several decades older and living comfortably, my ultimate
> definition of "car class" are the three little words "It's paid for"!
>
> Rich
> 2002 Optima SE V6
That describes a lot of us. I have a "good" car and an older car (former
good car) and when I know I'll be in an area with tight parking, I take the
older car. No worries about a parking lot ding.
If you drive a high priced luxury car or sports car and want to take up two
parking spaces in the back of the lot at the supermarket, be my guest. Try
to do that up close, you can be sure I'll park an inch from you with my old
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