Hyundai preformance on icy raods

The electronic throttle probably makes it difficult to have the degree of
throttle control you desire. You do, on the other hand have the
shiftronic feature, so you could try starting out in second gear to see if
that improves anything.

I'm also not sure you'd be increasing contact area by removing some air
from the tires. Even at 35 PSI, the XG's front tires seem to bulge
significantly at the sidewall.

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Especially if you are from Minnesota, you should keep in mind the effect
that the bitter cold has on regular all-season tires, even beyond being
potentially poor in either snow or ice. You just will not get the grip on
even a good all-season tire that you would in Summer.

I HIGHLY recommend that Minnesotans use a set of dedicated Winter tires on
their vehicles. You will be stunned how much of a difference it makes on
your XG350.


"Dan K" <danielgkNOSPAM.RemoveThis@visi.com> wrote in message
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> Our XG350 is horrible on icy roads. We have experienced this twice now,
> once while on vacation where the condo was on a hill that got iced up, and
> now again while on vacation when we went through an ice storm. The
> vehicle has never behaved badly on snowy roads, or slushy roads, just ice.
> The vehicle has brand new Briggstone Turansa tires that I've used on other
> vehicles and they have been great on ice. I know there is a lot of weight
> on the front wheels (due to the tires always looking like they need air)
> so I would expect that the car would be good on ice, but no. Anybody out
> there have similar experience with Hyundai and ice? Any ideas what to do
> about it? I run my tires high (35-40 psi), would lowering that help?
>
> BTW I'm in Minnesota, so I know how to drive on snow and ice.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dan
>
>
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Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
> Especially if you are from Minnesota, you should keep in mind the effect
> that the bitter cold has on regular all-season tires, even beyond being
> potentially poor in either snow or ice. You just will not get the grip on
> even a good all-season tire that you would in Summer.

I agree if you are talking about grip on pavement, although most winter
tires aren't that good on pavement either. On snow or ice, the colder
the better for almost all tires. The traction when temps are below zero
is FAR better than when between 20 and warmer. The main culprit in poor
traction on ice and packed snow is a very thin layer of water formed
between the tire and the snow or ice due to the pressure. This layer is
difficult to form when it gets cold enough and thus the traction
improves dramatically.


> I HIGHLY recommend that Minnesotans use a set of dedicated Winter tires on
> their vehicles. You will be stunned how much of a difference it makes on
> your XG350.

Yes, not doubt that purpose-built tires are better in the conditions for
which they are designed, but they are also much worse in almost all
conditions other than for which they were designed. If you have snow on
the road the majority of the time, then I would get snow tires. Where I
live, we have snow on the roads for only a small part of the time and
thus snow tires are a bad deal overall. Our road crews are very good
and typically have the salt out and the roads clear within hours of a
snowfall. The roads are then wet and soon dry and in both of these
conditions, the all-season radials outperform the dedicated winter tires.


Matt
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>
> I think we've had this conversation before, but I've had a much different
> experience. I live in extreme northern PA (just a mile or two south of
> the NY border) and our winters are pretty nasty here also. Maybe not as
> bad as NH, but that probably depends on where in NH you live.

Yup - we seem to cover this patch of ground at least once per winter. I'm
fine with the idea that Brian and I disagree on the value of snow's. He
likes them and feels they add something, and I haven't used a pair in
decades. I live in Central NY, in the snow belt east of Lake Ontario. We
get between 200-300 inches of snow per year, so we're in the category of
severe winter weather locations.

>
> I've had no problems with All-season tires. The only tires I've had
> trouble with are the stock tires that came on my Sonata, but they were
> Michelin "performance" tires rather than all-season tires. My driveway
> alone is more treacherous that most roads and I plow it myself, but do not
> apply any salt, cinders or sand. I can send you a picture if you want to
> see it!
>

I too have found some all-season to be pure garbage, but my experience is
that those are more the touring tires. Bad tread patterns. Really poor
sipe designs. That said, there are many other all season tires out there
that have very good tread design and that provide absolutely positive winter
driving control.

> I haven't run a snow tire on a car since the 1970s and get through winters
> just fine. I don run M&S tires on my Chevy pickup as that is my plow
> vehicle and I don't want to have to mess with putting on chains. I do
> have a full set of chains, but have only needed them once and that was
> with the original Goodyear AT tires that didn't have a very aggressive
> tread. However, these tires are very loud on the road and wear pretty
> quickly, but for a truck that sees only 5K miles a year and most of them
> are plowing snow or hauling firewood, rapid wear isn't a big deal.

Again, our experiences are similar Matt. As you may recall, my plow truck
is a 94 Silverado. I have a set of Dunlop M&S on it and they are on it year
round. Never put a chain on my tires ever.

>
> I've found that performance in the snow is more a function of driver
> technique than tire style. I routinely drive 55-60 on snow covered 4-lane
> roads and pass SUVs all of the time. The all-season tires on my Sonata
> and minivan work just fine in anything less than a foot of snow. If I have
> to deal with a foot or more, I take the truck.
>

I can't count the number of times I've had to plow my way through unplowed
roads (the one I live on), or up my driveway (300 ft+) with plow wash piled
up at the mouth of the driveway, and had snow pushing up over my hood as I
went. No exaggeration. Likewise, I cannot recall the last time I had to be
pulled out of anything, dug out of anything or pushed out of anything, in my
car. A good set of all season tires will chew through anything you put
under them, and as you say, the highway stuff is a reflection of both a good
tread design in an all season tire, and driving technique.

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Brian Nystrom wrote:

> Perhaps it's time you tried a set of dedicated winter tires on your
> cars. Your dismissive statements are typical of people who've never
> tried winter tires (or in your case, haven't done so in 30+ years). The
> fact is that you can't appreciate the difference until you experience
> it. I've done the comparison on my Elantra and six other cars I've
> owned, including several instances where I've literally driven in the
> same storm with both types of tires (typically the first storm of the
> season). The difference in traction is DRAMATIC compared to all season
> or performance tires. Everyone I've convinced to try winter tires have
> said the same thing. I also drive a lot of rental cars these days and
> I've seen firsthand exactly how bad many all season tires are in winter
> conditions. While I agree that technique and skill are important,
> neither can create traction where it doesn't exist. That's the main
> benefit of winter tires, they grip were other tires don't.

If I were having problems with all-season tires, then I would try snow
tires. However, I can drive 55 on snow covered roads with confidence
and stability and I can make it up my 1700' uphill driveway without the
need to do anything other than plow it, so there is no need to spend
extra money on tires and changing them two extra times a year.

I'm not against snow tires at all, I just don't need them ... like 98%
of the rest of the folks in the USA. There are 2% who need them and
they should buy and use them.


> This discussion reminds me of "Green Eggs and Ham".

Yes, I agree!

Matt
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Matt Whiting wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> Perhaps it's time you tried a set of dedicated winter tires on your
>> cars. Your dismissive statements are typical of people who've never
>> tried winter tires (or in your case, haven't done so in 30+ years).
>> The fact is that you can't appreciate the difference until you
>> experience it. I've done the comparison on my Elantra and six other
>> cars I've owned, including several instances where I've literally
>> driven in the same storm with both types of tires (typically the first
>> storm of the season). The difference in traction is DRAMATIC compared
>> to all season or performance tires. Everyone I've convinced to try
>> winter tires have said the same thing. I also drive a lot of rental
>> cars these days and I've seen firsthand exactly how bad many all
>> season tires are in winter conditions. While I agree that technique
>> and skill are important, neither can create traction where it doesn't
>> exist. That's the main benefit of winter tires, they grip were other
>> tires don't.
>
> If I were having problems with all-season tires, then I would try snow
> tires. However, I can drive 55 on snow covered roads with confidence
> and stability and I can make it up my 1700' uphill driveway without the
> need to do anything other than plow it, so there is no need to spend
> extra money on tires and changing them two extra times a year.
>
> I'm not against snow tires at all, I just don't need them ... like 98%
> of the rest of the folks in the USA. There are 2% who need them and
> they should buy and use them.

Considering how much of the country lies in the "snow belt", that's a
pretty ridiculous statement.
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"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Matt Whiting wrote:
>> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps it's time you tried a set of dedicated winter tires on your
>>> cars. Your dismissive statements are typical of people who've never
>>> tried winter tires (or in your case, haven't done so in 30+ years). The
>>> fact is that you can't appreciate the difference until you experience
>>> it. I've done the comparison on my Elantra and six other cars I've
>>> owned, including several instances where I've literally driven in the
>>> same storm with both types of tires (typically the first storm of the
>>> season). The difference in traction is DRAMATIC compared to all season
>>> or performance tires. Everyone I've convinced to try winter tires have
>>> said the same thing. I also drive a lot of rental cars these days and
>>> I've seen firsthand exactly how bad many all season tires are in winter
>>> conditions. While I agree that technique and skill are important,
>>> neither can create traction where it doesn't exist. That's the main
>>> benefit of winter tires, they grip were other tires don't.
>>
>> If I were having problems with all-season tires, then I would try snow
>> tires. However, I can drive 55 on snow covered roads with confidence and
>> stability and I can make it up my 1700' uphill driveway without the need
>> to do anything other than plow it, so there is no need to spend extra
>> money on tires and changing them two extra times a year.
>>
>> I'm not against snow tires at all, I just don't need them ... like 98% of
>> the rest of the folks in the USA. There are 2% who need them and they
>> should buy and use them.
>
> Considering how much of the country lies in the "snow belt", that's a
> pretty ridiculous statement.

Possibly, but consider how many people who live in the snow belt get along
just fine without snow tires. I lived over 60 years in snowy mid-Michigan
and never had a need for snow tires. And when front-wheel-drive became
common there was even less need for the hassle of changing in and out of
snow tires.
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Brian Nystrom wrote:
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps it's time you tried a set of dedicated winter tires on your
>>> cars. Your dismissive statements are typical of people who've never
>>> tried winter tires (or in your case, haven't done so in 30+ years).
>>> The fact is that you can't appreciate the difference until you
>>> experience it. I've done the comparison on my Elantra and six other
>>> cars I've owned, including several instances where I've literally
>>> driven in the same storm with both types of tires (typically the
>>> first storm of the season). The difference in traction is DRAMATIC
>>> compared to all season or performance tires. Everyone I've convinced
>>> to try winter tires have said the same thing. I also drive a lot of
>>> rental cars these days and I've seen firsthand exactly how bad many
>>> all season tires are in winter conditions. While I agree that
>>> technique and skill are important, neither can create traction where
>>> it doesn't exist. That's the main benefit of winter tires, they grip
>>> were other tires don't.
>>
>> If I were having problems with all-season tires, then I would try snow
>> tires. However, I can drive 55 on snow covered roads with confidence
>> and stability and I can make it up my 1700' uphill driveway without
>> the need to do anything other than plow it, so there is no need to
>> spend extra money on tires and changing them two extra times a year.
>>
>> I'm not against snow tires at all, I just don't need them ... like 98%
>> of the rest of the folks in the USA. There are 2% who need them and
>> they should buy and use them.
>
> Considering how much of the country lies in the "snow belt", that's a
> pretty ridiculous statement.

No, most of the people in the snow belt are like me and simply don't
need snow tires. I did a quick search and was not able to find any
detailed figures on USA tire sales by type, but I'll bet my 2% figure
isn't far off as the fraction of total tire sales annually that are
winter tires.

Matt
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"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> I'm not against snow tires at all, I just don't need them ... like 98% of
>> the rest of the folks in the USA. There are 2% who need them and they
>> should buy and use them.
>
> Considering how much of the country lies in the "snow belt", that's a
> pretty ridiculous statement.

Maybe not. Back in the 50's, I remember putting full chains on my father's
car for the first couple of days after a snow. Main roads were poorly
plowed, side streets were not plowed at all. We lived in Philadelphia and a
6" snow was a lot.

I've since moved to Connecticut and 10" to 12" is common. I've never
thought about snow tires. Why? They plow frequently, they plow well, they
treat the streets. In the worst storms here, if I can get out of my
driveway, I can get most anyplace. Like anyplace else, you have to use
common sense and slow down in snow. If there is slick ice, no car is going
to fare well, no matter what tire is on it.
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> I'm not against snow tires at all, I just don't need them ... like 98% of
>>> the rest of the folks in the USA. There are 2% who need them and they
>>> should buy and use them.
>> Considering how much of the country lies in the "snow belt", that's a
>> pretty ridiculous statement.
>
> Maybe not. Back in the 50's, I remember putting full chains on my father's
> car for the first couple of days after a snow. Main roads were poorly
> plowed, side streets were not plowed at all. We lived in Philadelphia and a
> 6" snow was a lot.
>
> I've since moved to Connecticut and 10" to 12" is common. I've never
> thought about snow tires. Why? They plow frequently, they plow well, they
> treat the streets. In the worst storms here, if I can get out of my
> driveway, I can get most anyplace. Like anyplace else, you have to use
> common sense and slow down in snow. If there is slick ice, no car is going
> to fare well, no matter what tire is on it.

Well, studded tires help a lot on ice. Although, I haven't felt
the need for studs since the 70s.

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> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> I'm not against snow tires at all, I just don't need them ... like 98%
>>>> of the rest of the folks in the USA. There are 2% who need them and
>>>> they should buy and use them.
>>> Considering how much of the country lies in the "snow belt", that's a
>>> pretty ridiculous statement.
>>
>> Maybe not. Back in the 50's, I remember putting full chains on my
>> father's car for the first couple of days after a snow. Main roads were
>> poorly plowed, side streets were not plowed at all. We lived in
>> Philadelphia and a 6" snow was a lot.
>>
>> I've since moved to Connecticut and 10" to 12" is common. I've never
>> thought about snow tires. Why? They plow frequently, they plow well,
>> they treat the streets. In the worst storms here, if I can get out of my
>> driveway, I can get most anyplace. Like anyplace else, you have to use
>> common sense and slow down in snow. If there is slick ice, no car is
>> going to fare well, no matter what tire is on it.
>
> Well, studded tires help a lot on ice. Although, I haven't felt the
> need for studs since the 70s.
>
> Matt

Studded tires have been banned in some states due to the damage they do to
roads. I know Michigan banned them. In any case I never got them and never
really needed them there.
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>>
>> Considering how much of the country lies in the "snow belt", that's a
>> pretty ridiculous statement.
>
> Possibly, but consider how many people who live in the snow belt get along
> just fine without snow tires. I lived over 60 years in snowy mid-Michigan
> and never had a need for snow tires. And when front-wheel-drive became
> common there was even less need for the hassle of changing in and out of
> snow tires.
I too haven't run snows in a while, but be real, all seasons really aren't
good in snow-we've all just like the ease of them.
But, I think the best way is to have four snows on four steel wheels for
the few winter months. Hey we rotate tires anyway, whats the big deal in
putting on the snows.
Snows on snow free winter roads doesn't really bother when operating at
sane speeds doing sane manuevers.
I know I have to get snow for the wifes volvo; No 245 40 17's behave at all
in snow. A narrower 16" snow on steel wheels next year for that vehicle for
sure.
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>>>
>>> Considering how much of the country lies in the "snow belt", that's a
>>> pretty ridiculous statement.
>>
>> Possibly, but consider how many people who live in the snow belt get
>> along just fine without snow tires. I lived over 60 years in snowy
>> mid-Michigan and never had a need for snow tires. And when
>> front-wheel-drive became common there was even less need for the hassle
>> of changing in and out of snow tires.
> I too haven't run snows in a while, but be real, all seasons really aren't
> good in snow-we've all just like the ease of them.
> But, I think the best way is to have four snows on four steel wheels for
> the few winter months. Hey we rotate tires anyway, whats the big deal in
> putting on the snows.
> Snows on snow free winter roads doesn't really bother when operating at
> sane speeds doing sane manuevers.
> I know I have to get snow for the wifes volvo; No 245 40 17's behave at
> all in snow. A narrower 16" snow on steel wheels next year for that
> vehicle for sure.

Depends where you live. In mid-Michigan (Lansing area), keeping an extra set
of tires just for snow couldn't be justified by most drivers. And
accordingly, it's not a very common practice. Maybe in upper Michigan
where they get clobbered by lake-effect snow but not the rest of the state.
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