Gas pump accuracy?

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:25:21 +0000, sharx35 wrote:

> Bladder? what the Hell is the point of a bladder inside a car gas tank?
> Sounds like some bogus environmental feature mandated by the Communist
> Republics of California or Massatwoshits.


Or both?

How the hell did we get equated with California, anyway?

Because of the Boston/Eastern part of the state. At one time there was
enough smog there to rival LA...
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witfal wrote:
> On 2007-06-22 17:22:44 -0700, "GO Mavs" <GoMavs.DeleteThis@MavvZ.com> said:
>
>> good to know.. guess i wont be topping off anymore...
>>
>>
>> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
>> news:98ebf$467c5217$44a4a10d$12508@msgid.meganewsservers.com...
>>>
>>> "GO Mavs" <GoMavs.DeleteThis@MavvZ.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ogYei.1227$yN.942@trnddc07...
>>>> i usually top off.. add another dollar of gas to the car after the
>>>> automatic click..
>>>
>>> That is a bad habit to get in to. Besides the risk of spills, there
>>> is a
>>> chance, albeit small, that you can contaminate the charcoal canister
>>> from
>>> constant overfilling. When the pump clicks off, I just round up to the
>>> nearest nickel or dime.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ray O
>>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
> One other caveat:
>
> Gas stations use either of two types of vapor recovery, vacuum and
> balance, to reduce smog. Both
> require the use of special hoses which are, in reality, a hose within a
> hose. Remember those old
> monstrosities which had two hoses connected to the nozzle. Vacuum
> systems are identified easily
> by a smooth, hard-surfaced hose, whereas balance systems use a hose
> similar in appearance to
> your vacuum cleaner, i.e. accordion folds.
>
> The former is an active system that recovers vapor displaced by the fuel
> you pump into your tank via
> vacuum pumps. The vapor is returned to the UST (underground storage tank).
>
> The latter uses the vacuum created when fuel is removed from underground
> tanks, which passively
> recovers vapor displaced by the same fuel you put into your vehicle, and
> returns it to the UST.
>
> In either case, particularly vacuum systems, the fuel which spits upward
> during over-filling makes its
> way to either of two destinations. The ground or back into the UST.
>
> Your wallet is the loser.

And our lungs the winners.

Jeff
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno RemoveThis @AE86.gts> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:25:21 +0000, sharx35 wrote:
>
>> Bladder? what the Hell is the point of a bladder inside a car gas tank?
>> Sounds like some bogus environmental feature mandated by the Communist
>> Republics of California or Massatwoshits.
>
>
> Or both?
>
> How the hell did we get equated with California, anyway?
>
> Because of the Boston/Eastern part of the state. At one time there was
> enough smog there to rival LA...
>
>
Now there's just hot air, eh, Hashi?
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"Wickeddoll®" <wickeddollNoEffingSpam1958 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "GO Mavs" ...
>> good to know.. guess i wont be topping off anymore...
>>
>>
>> "Ray O" ...
>>>
>>> "GO Mavs" ...
>>>>i usually top off.. add another dollar of gas to the car after the
>>>>automatic click..
>>>
>>> That is a bad habit to get in to. Besides the risk of spills, there is
>>> a chance, albeit small, that you can contaminate the charcoal canister
>>> from constant overfilling. When the pump clicks off, I just round up to
>>> the nearest nickel or dime.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ray O
>
> I never topped off, anyway. Seemed kind of obsessive-compulsive to me.
>
> Natalie
>

Heh, heh, like *having* to get the last 1/4 inch in!! <<fwap>> <<fwap>>
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"sharx35" ...
>
> "Wickeddoll®" ...
>>> good to know.. guess i wont be topping off anymore...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ray O" ...
>>>>
>>>> "GO Mavs" ...
>>>>>i usually top off.. add another dollar of gas to the car after the
>>>>>automatic click..
>>>>
>>>> That is a bad habit to get in to. Besides the risk of spills, there
>>>> is a chance, albeit small, that you can contaminate the charcoal
>>>> canister from constant overfilling. When the pump clicks off, I just
>>>> round up to the nearest nickel or dime.
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Ray O
>>
>> I never topped off, anyway. Seemed kind of obsessive-compulsive to me.
>>
>> Natalie
>>
>
> Heh, heh, like *having* to get the last 1/4 inch in!! <<fwap>> <<fwap>>
>
>
>
Feh- who can feel a measly quarter inch?!

Natalie
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"witfal" <nospam.DeleteThis@all4.me> wrote in message
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> On 2007-06-22 19:02:25 -0700, Jeff <kidsdoc2000.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> said:
>
>>> Your wallet is the loser.
>>
>> And our lungs the winners.
>
> UNLESS you've spilled it on the ground. We all lose then.
>

Onan was struck down for doing that.
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<nm5k.TakeThisOut@wt.net> wrote in message
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> On Jun 22, 4:49 pm, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>> "GO Mavs" <GoM....TakeThisOut@MavvZ.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:ogYei.1227$yN.942@trnddc07...
>>
>> >i usually top off.. add another dollar of gas to the car after the
>> >automatic click..
>>
>> That is a bad habit to get in to. Besides the risk of spills, there is
>> a
>> chance, albeit small, that you can contaminate the charcoal canister from
>> constant overfilling. When the pump clicks off, I just round up to the
>> nearest nickel or dime.
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
> Yep. That happened to me 3 days after I got mine..
> Not on purpose though.. I was getting gas and the
> cutoff didn't work right, and it spewed gas all out the
> nozzle, side of the car, etc..
> Sure nuff, about a day or two later, and the OBD2 light
> is going off.. Checked, and was evap emission problems..
>
> - P0441 (Evaporative Emission Control System
> Incorrect Purge Flow)
> - P043E (Evaporative Emission System Reference Orifice
> Clog Up)
> - P043F (Evaporative Emission System Reference Orifice
> High Flow)
> - P2401 (Evaporative Emission System Leak Detection
> Pump Control Circuit Low)
> - P2402 (Evaporative Emission System Leak Detection Pump
> Control Circuit High)
> - P2419 (Evaporative Emission System Switching Valve
> Control Circuit Low)
>
> Those were the exact codes on my particular car..
> I ended up not doing anything about it at that time, as
> it didn't seem to effect runability or mpg. I assumed
> I flooded the canister, which I'm pretty sure it did now.
> It finally dried up, and I haven't had it go off in
> about 7-8 weeks, and maybe 1500? miles later.
> When it was first starting to dry out, the light would go
> off for a while, then get irritable probably due to low
> flow, and come back on for a while. Then finally it went
> out, and has been out since.
> So if anyone floods their canister, I'd wait a while to
> see if it will dry up before doing anything about it..
> Mine fixed itself, but it took a couple of months..
> Also, the warmer temps of spring seemed to help
> speed things up.
> When I fill, I click off and very little more. I'm also very
> careful not to get gas in either of the ports inside the
> gas tank compartment. You can see them if you look
> in there.
> MK
>
>
In my case the codes were P0440 and P0441, I do believe. That was when I
stopped overfilling.
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<nm5k RemoveThis @wt.net> wrote in message
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> On Jun 22, 5:21 pm, "sharx35" <shar... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "GO Mavs" <GoM... RemoveThis @MavvZ.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:ogYei.1227$yN.942@trnddc07...
>>
>> >i usually top off.. add another dollar of gas to the car after the
>> >automatic click..
>>
>> That's what caused Engine Check light to come on in my 99 Camry--trying
>> to
>> get every last drop in caused P type error codes to activate the Engine
>> Check Light. Once I stopped putting fuel in after the automatic gas pump
>> cut
>> off, I stopped getting those bogus engine check lights.
>>
>
> They are not really bogus.. You probably had low flow, or something
> along those lines. When you load the canister with gas, naturally
> it's
> partly clogged, but you can also clog vapor orifices, vapor valves
> from canister
> crud, etc.. If the light was on, it was not bogus. You had an evap
> emissions
> problem to some degree. But like mine, yours fixed itself due to
> drying
> out..
> MK

Agreed. I do stand corrected. Bogus, in the sense that it didn't require
anything to be actually repaired and/or replaced!!


>
>
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"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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> " dbu,." <nsp.DeleteThis@einp.com> wrote in message
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>> In article <98ebf$467c5217$44a4a10d$12508@msgid.meganewsservers.com>,
>> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>>
>>> "GO Mavs" <GoMavs.DeleteThis@MavvZ.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ogYei.1227$yN.942@trnddc07...
>>> >i usually top off.. add another dollar of gas to the car after the
>>> >automatic click..
>>>
>>> That is a bad habit to get in to. Besides the risk of spills, there is
>>> a
>>> chance, albeit small, that you can contaminate the charcoal canister
>>> from
>>> constant overfilling. When the pump clicks off, I just round up to the
>>> nearest nickel or dime.
>>
>> GOOOOD advice Ray. I see so many trying to top it off and then
>> spilling, wasting fuel, not to mention the flash fire danger. There
>> ought to be a law......
>
> I think it is illegal to top off in many locations, and many pumps have
> warnings not to top off...

Yeah, as if anyone pays THOSE warnings any more heed than they do software
EULA's or those warnings on DVD's about copying them.

> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
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"sharx35" <sharx35 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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><snipped>
>> I think it is illegal to top off in many locations, and many pumps have
>> warnings not to top off...
>
> Yeah, as if anyone pays THOSE warnings any more heed than they do software
> EULA's or those warnings on DVD's about copying them.
>
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>
>

True... I guess those warnings fall into the same category as furniture tags

--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
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"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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>
> <nm5k.DeleteThis@wt.net> wrote in message
> news:1182561120.752303.200850@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jun 22, 4:49 pm, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>>> "GO Mavs" <GoM....DeleteThis@MavvZ.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:ogYei.1227$yN.942@trnddc07...
>>>
>>> >i usually top off.. add another dollar of gas to the car after the
>>> >automatic click..
>>>
>>> That is a bad habit to get in to. Besides the risk of spills, there is
>>> a
>>> chance, albeit small, that you can contaminate the charcoal canister
>>> from
>>> constant overfilling. When the pump clicks off, I just round up to the
>>> nearest nickel or dime.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ray O
>>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>
>> Yep. That happened to me 3 days after I got mine..
>> Not on purpose though.. I was getting gas and the
>> cutoff didn't work right, and it spewed gas all out the
>> nozzle, side of the car, etc..
>> Sure nuff, about a day or two later, and the OBD2 light
>> is going off.. Checked, and was evap emission problems..
>>
>> - P0441 (Evaporative Emission Control System
>> Incorrect Purge Flow)
>> - P043E (Evaporative Emission System Reference Orifice
>> Clog Up)
>> - P043F (Evaporative Emission System Reference Orifice
>> High Flow)
>> - P2401 (Evaporative Emission System Leak Detection
>> Pump Control Circuit Low)
>> - P2402 (Evaporative Emission System Leak Detection Pump
>> Control Circuit High)
>> - P2419 (Evaporative Emission System Switching Valve
>> Control Circuit Low)
>>
>> Those were the exact codes on my particular car..
>> I ended up not doing anything about it at that time, as
>> it didn't seem to effect runability or mpg. I assumed
>> I flooded the canister, which I'm pretty sure it did now.
>> It finally dried up, and I haven't had it go off in
>> about 7-8 weeks, and maybe 1500? miles later.
>> When it was first starting to dry out, the light would go
>> off for a while, then get irritable probably due to low
>> flow, and come back on for a while. Then finally it went
>> out, and has been out since.
>> So if anyone floods their canister, I'd wait a while to
>> see if it will dry up before doing anything about it..
>> Mine fixed itself, but it took a couple of months..
>> Also, the warmer temps of spring seemed to help
>> speed things up.
>> When I fill, I click off and very little more. I'm also very
>> careful not to get gas in either of the ports inside the
>> gas tank compartment. You can see them if you look
>> in there.
>> MK
>>
>
> Listen to Ray and you can avoid all sorts of problems
>
> BTW, most check engine light items will not noticeably affect drivability
> or MPG. If the light is flashing, turn off the engine and call for a tow.

Thanks for that info--I was almost about to do that when the Check light
came on steady after overfilling.

> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
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"Wickeddoll®" <wickeddollNoEffingSpam1958 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "sharx35" ...
>>
>> "Wickeddoll®" ...
>>>> good to know.. guess i wont be topping off anymore...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Ray O" ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "GO Mavs" ...
>>>>>>i usually top off.. add another dollar of gas to the car after the
>>>>>>automatic click..
>>>>>
>>>>> That is a bad habit to get in to. Besides the risk of spills, there
>>>>> is a chance, albeit small, that you can contaminate the charcoal
>>>>> canister from constant overfilling. When the pump clicks off, I just
>>>>> round up to the nearest nickel or dime.
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray O
>>>
>>> I never topped off, anyway. Seemed kind of obsessive-compulsive to me.
>>>
>>> Natalie
>>>
>>
>> Heh, heh, like *having* to get the last 1/4 inch in!! <<fwap>> <<fwap>>
>>
>>
>>
> Feh- who can feel a measly quarter inch?!
>
> Natalie

At your service (cervix) ma'am! Delighted (dilated) I'm sure!


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