Gas prices again

it's around 1.08 here (one hour north of toronto)

1.35 is just stupid.


"Steve R." <ud233.RemoveThis@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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> On Saltspring Island, near Victoria, BC, gas is now $1.335 per litre! That
> may well be the highest in North America.
>
>
>
> Steve R.
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>
> I guess the extra $50 in cost to fill your tanks once a week in England,
> France and Denmark is one of their contributions to "free" healthcare
>

It is, although it is a fairly regressive way of taxing people IMHO.

If you take two individuals, one earning $20,000 a year and another
earning $100,000, the higher earner will, on average , drive more. He
might even drive twice as much. He will no way do five times the
annual mileage of the low wage earner.

And some of the lowest paid jobs in the country are car-dependent-
shift workers for example.

However I recognise the role higher fuel prices have played in
encouraging the switch to more economical cars. I just don't want them
any higher..........
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The Tribune Newspapers have an article on the cost of filling the tank in a
Corolla

England $87.73
France 86.01
Denmark 85.91
US 37.33
Saudi Arabia 5.94
Iran 4.33
Venezuela 2.25

I guess the extra $50 in cost to fill your tanks once a week in England,
France and Denmark is one of their contributions to "free" healthcare

mike




"Steve R." <ud233.DeleteThis@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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> On Saltspring Island, near Victoria, BC, gas is now $1.335 per litre! That
> may well be the highest in North America.
>
>
>
> Steve R.
>
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> On 8 May, 07:10, "Teknical" <tekni... RemoveThis @ohohnono.com> wrote:
>> it's around 1.08 here (one hour north of toronto)
>>
>> 1.35 is just stupid.
>>
>>
>
> 2 canadian dollars a litre in the UK - and still the green lobby want
> it to go higher..........
>
>

Yes, last time I was in the UK (last september) fuel was exceptionally
expensive. Although, drivers in the UK do get the advantage of having many
choices for fuel efficient cars, and generally a shorter commute distance
then in North America. Oh, and a train system that is actually useable

I'm pretty lucky, my commute to work is about 1.2km each way (easily
walkable of course), so fuel prices really don't affect me that much; I fill
up my car about once a month right now.
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> Yes, last time I was in the UK (last september) fuel was exceptionally
> expensive. Although, drivers in the UK do get the advantage of having many
> choices for fuel efficient cars, and generally a shorter commute distance
> then in North America. Oh, and a train system that is actually useable

Actually, in NA, there are many usable public transportation systems,
including the SF Bay, Washington, Philadelphia, NYC, and Boston areas. I
think Chicago has a workable system, too. Like in NYC, you might not be able
to go everywhere in the area, but the system is definitely workable.

> I'm pretty lucky, my commute to work is about 1.2km each way (easily
> walkable of course), so fuel prices really don't affect me that much; I
> fill up my car about once a month right now.

You can avoid that 1200 m drive to work each day, and just walk. Make your
own CO2 instead of making the car do it for you.

Jeff
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Gas costs went down by 50% for me last month.

Sold the 15 mpg minivan and got my 30 mpg Escape Hybrid. (conservative
estimate mpg, may get up to 34)

Less gas burned, less exhaust in the air I breathe, fewer dollars off to
the Bush-Saudis, and a new car to boot.

I feel good all over.


Steve R. wrote:
> On Saltspring Island, near Victoria, BC, gas is now $1.335 per litre! That
> may well be the highest in North America.
>
>
>
> Steve R.
>
>
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"Jeff" <news DeleteThis @googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> "Teknical" <teknical DeleteThis @ohohnono.com> wrote in message
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>> Yes, last time I was in the UK (last september) fuel was exceptionally
>> expensive. Although, drivers in the UK do get the advantage of having
>> many choices for fuel efficient cars, and generally a shorter commute
>> distance then in North America. Oh, and a train system that is actually
>> useable
>
> Actually, in NA, there are many usable public transportation systems,
> including the SF Bay, Washington, Philadelphia, NYC, and Boston areas. I
> think Chicago has a workable system, too. Like in NYC, you might not be
> able to go everywhere in the area, but the system is definitely workable.
>

Where I used to live, in Ottawa (Canada's capital) the transportation
system -was- world class. It used a Tree-Root system, local busses feeding
to a central high speed transitway going across the city. In the early 90s
when I was using the system, I could get from the west end of the city to
the northeast end (27km) in 40 minutes. Driving my car would take about 35
minutes, so it was just as convenient to take the bus. Unfortunately, the
transit system didn't keep up with city growth, and some silly political
choices were made (a light rail track no one uses), service hours have been
cut and it has just gone down hill compared to the mid-90s. In the city I
live in now, we have a total of 9 bus routes (serving ~150,000) with silly
ring routes and obscure schedules.

>> I'm pretty lucky, my commute to work is about 1.2km each way (easily
>> walkable of course), so fuel prices really don't affect me that much; I
>> fill up my car about once a month right now.
>
> You can avoid that 1200 m drive to work each day, and just walk. Make your
> own CO2 instead of making the car do it for you.
>

I walk every second day on average, more in the summer, less in the winter
(I live in the snow belt). I need a vehicle some days to do running around
for my business, and I deal with a fairly large quantity of cash, so I tend
to drive when I know I need to go to the bank. Between myself and my wife,
we average about 12,000km a year. Most of that is highway, I do a ~900km
trip about every 6 weeks to visit friends and family.

> Jeff
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2.RemoveThis@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> The Tribune Newspapers have an article on the cost of filling the tank in
> a Corolla
>
> England $87.73
> France 86.01
> Denmark 85.91
> US 37.33
> Saudi Arabia 5.94
> Iran 4.33
> Venezuela 2.25
>
> I guess the extra $50 in cost to fill your tanks once a week in England,
> France and Denmark is one of their contributions to "free" healthcare
>
> mike
>
>
>
True Mike, but you gotta fill a sh!t load of Corollas to pay for even one
week in a hospital. It's an old American argument that really doesn't wash.
If it costs $50 more to fill a Toyota once a week, over a year, that's
$2,600. Over 40 years, that's $104,000. How much does heart surgery cost
Americans, or cancer treatment, or... anything in a hospital that someday
you *know* you'll use? In Europe/Canada, it's zero dollars. You only think
you're getting a deal. You're not. At best it's a wash.

Brad
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Duh! That is far from the only tax. Most Americans don't go in the
hospital every year and most have free or low cost health insurance through
their employer or can buy it for a lot less than what it costs the
government to provide it "free."

mike


"BradandBrooks" <BradandBrooks DeleteThis @shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 DeleteThis @mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:2budnQrjGbBgAd3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@ptd.net...
>> The Tribune Newspapers have an article on the cost of filling the tank in
>> a Corolla
>>
>> England $87.73
>> France 86.01
>> Denmark 85.91
>> US 37.33
>> Saudi Arabia 5.94
>> Iran 4.33
>> Venezuela 2.25
>>
>> I guess the extra $50 in cost to fill your tanks once a week in England,
>> France and Denmark is one of their contributions to "free" healthcare
>>
>>
>> mike
>>
>>
>>
> True Mike, but you gotta fill a sh!t load of Corollas to pay for even one
> week in a hospital. It's an old American argument that really doesn't
> wash. If it costs $50 more to fill a Toyota once a week, over a year,
> that's $2,600. Over 40 years, that's $104,000. How much does heart
> surgery cost Americans, or cancer treatment, or... anything in a hospital
> that someday you *know* you'll use? In Europe/Canada, it's zero dollars.
> You only think you're getting a deal. You're not. At best it's a wash.
>
> Brad
>
>
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 RemoveThis @mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> Duh! That is far from the only tax. Most Americans don't go in the
> hospital every year and most have free or low cost health insurance
> through their employer or can buy it for a lot less than what it costs the
> government to provide it "free."
>
> mike

Well, the system works in Canada, it's not perfect, but then what is? I will
soon be 67, and have had cancer 3 times. There were some waits, but I got
first class treatment on time! Our system is not free, except for those on
low incomes. Most of the low income people have paid into the system at some
time. Anyone making over $20,000 a year must pay a monthly premium. By
paying taxes, and premiums, we do not have to put out huge sums of money
when we need medical care. On the other hand, a person cannot admit
themselves to hospital. Only a doctor can admit a patient. This keeps the
hypochondriacs from plugging things up. Each province has it's own "plan",
governed by federal statutes. With millions of people paying into the system
in each province, premiums can be much lower. After 3 doses of cancer, I
still have my house! The premium information is explained at:
http://www.health.gov.bc.ca/msp/infoben/premium.html
>
>
>


Steve R.
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2.DeleteThis@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> Duh! That is far from the only tax. Most Americans don't go in the
> hospital every year and most have free or low cost health insurance
> through their employer or can buy it for a lot less than what it costs the
> government to provide it "free."
>
> mike

The truth is the US has a National Health Care Plan -the worst one in the
world from a financing standpoint. The chief beneficiaries of our patchwork
system are greedy insurance companies and trial lawyers. The whole rotten
mess should be pulverized. I have two solutions - 1) Outlaw all forms of
health insurance - arrest anyone who even suggests allowing private
insurance, 2) National Health Care. The current system chiefly benefits the
rich and insurance companies. I've not spent much time in the medical
system, but over the past few years I've had to attend to my parents while
they were abused by the system. I've been in the emergency room and watched
as more people were doing paperwork than patient care. I've seen people
turned away from "private" hospitals because they couldn't provide proof of
insurance (non-critical cases of course - if you are dying, they'll keep you
as long as it takes to get you stabilized and transferred to the county
hospital).

Ed

> "BradandBrooks" <BradandBrooks.DeleteThis@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2.DeleteThis@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:2budnQrjGbBgAd3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@ptd.net...
>>> The Tribune Newspapers have an article on the cost of filling the tank
>>> in a Corolla
>>>
>>> England $87.73
>>> France 86.01
>>> Denmark 85.91
>>> US 37.33
>>> Saudi Arabia 5.94
>>> Iran 4.33
>>> Venezuela 2.25
>>>
>>> I guess the extra $50 in cost to fill your tanks once a week in England,
>>> France and Denmark is one of their contributions to "free" healthcare
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> True Mike, but you gotta fill a sh!t load of Corollas to pay for even one
>> week in a hospital. It's an old American argument that really doesn't
>> wash. If it costs $50 more to fill a Toyota once a week, over a year,
>> that's $2,600. Over 40 years, that's $104,000. How much does heart
>> surgery cost Americans, or cancer treatment, or... anything in a hospital
>> that someday you *know* you'll use? In Europe/Canada, it's zero dollars.
>> You only think you're getting a deal. You're not. At best it's a wash.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>
>
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Are you suggesting the poor and indignant do not get free medical care in
the US?
Search the federal governments Hill-Burton act and how it sets the high
medial care costs, for all hospitals and all of us in the US.

You might search for the reason I MUST, by law, sign up for part 'B'
Medicare, even though eligible I never applied for SS retirement benefits or
Medicare, before I am 'allowed' to buy the medical coverage I want to buy.

mike

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> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2.DeleteThis@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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>> Duh! That is far from the only tax. Most Americans don't go in the
>> hospital every year and most have free or low cost health insurance
>> through their employer or can buy it for a lot less than what it costs
>> the government to provide it "free."
>>
>> mike
>
> The truth is the US has a National Health Care Plan -the worst one in the
> world from a financing standpoint. The chief beneficiaries of our
> patchwork system are greedy insurance companies and trial lawyers. The
> whole rotten mess should be pulverized. I have two solutions - 1) Outlaw
> all forms of health insurance - arrest anyone who even suggests allowing
> private insurance, 2) National Health Care. The current system chiefly
> benefits the rich and insurance companies. I've not spent much time in the
> medical system, but over the past few years I've had to attend to my
> parents while they were abused by the system. I've been in the emergency
> room and watched as more people were doing paperwork than patient care.
> I've seen people turned away from "private" hospitals because they
> couldn't provide proof of insurance (non-critical cases of course - if you
> are dying, they'll keep you as long as it takes to get you stabilized and
> transferred to the county hospital).
>
> Ed
>
>> "BradandBrooks" <BradandBrooks.DeleteThis@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:EmD0i.173373$aG1.84717@pd7urf3no...
>>>
>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2.DeleteThis@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>> news:2budnQrjGbBgAd3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@ptd.net...
>>>> The Tribune Newspapers have an article on the cost of filling the tank
>>>> in a Corolla
>>>>
>>>> England $87.73
>>>> France 86.01
>>>> Denmark 85.91
>>>> US 37.33
>>>> Saudi Arabia 5.94
>>>> Iran 4.33
>>>> Venezuela 2.25
>>>>
>>>> I guess the extra $50 in cost to fill your tanks once a week in
>>>> England, France and Denmark is one of their contributions to "free"
>>>> healthcare
>>>>
>>>> mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> True Mike, but you gotta fill a sh!t load of Corollas to pay for even
>>> one week in a hospital. It's an old American argument that really
>>> doesn't wash. If it costs $50 more to fill a Toyota once a week, over a
>>> year, that's $2,600. Over 40 years, that's $104,000. How much does
>>> heart surgery cost Americans, or cancer treatment, or... anything in a
>>> hospital that someday you *know* you'll use? In Europe/Canada, it's
>>> zero dollars. You only think you're getting a deal. You're not. At best
>>> it's a wash.
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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The health care program in Canada only stifles the industry. How many of
the advances in health care or medications originate in Canada, for example?
What's next, will they provide you with 'free' transportation to get to a
specialist that lives in another Province or is only available in the US or
buy a car for those Canadians the live in the boondocks to get to medial
care providers?

The US Constitution and the capitalist system have made the USA and its
people the richest, strongest, freest country in the history of the world
that offers the finest health care. The government does nothing to produce
wealth. To give something for 'free' it must first take it from those that
do produce wealth to 'give' it to the people after deducting the cost of the
taking and the distribution of the money it took. Personally I prefer to
pay for the things I want and need directly, rather than pay more to receive
the same things via an inefficient and bloated government program

mike


"Steve R." <ud233 RemoveThis @victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 RemoveThis @mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:lZSdncRfPLmgyt7bnZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@ptd.net...
>> Duh! That is far from the only tax. Most Americans don't go in the
>> hospital every year and most have free or low cost health insurance
>> through their employer or can buy it for a lot less than what it costs
>> the government to provide it "free."
>>
>> mike
>
> Well, the system works in Canada, it's not perfect, but then what is? I
> will soon be 67, and have had cancer 3 times. There were some waits, but I
> got first class treatment on time! Our system is not free, except for
> those on low incomes. Most of the low income people have paid into the
> system at some time. Anyone making over $20,000 a year must pay a monthly
> premium. By paying taxes, and premiums, we do not have to put out huge
> sums of money when we need medical care. On the other hand, a person
> cannot admit themselves to hospital. Only a doctor can admit a patient.
> This keeps the hypochondriacs from plugging things up. Each province has
> it's own "plan", governed by federal statutes. With millions of people
> paying into the system in each province, premiums can be much lower. After
> 3 doses of cancer, I still have my house! The premium information is
> explained at: http://www.health.gov.bc.ca/msp/infoben/premium.html
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Steve R.
>
>
>
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