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Jim Higgins

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:55 am
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GM to pay in coolant repair cases
http://tinyurl.com/yoxklt

WASHINGTON -- General Motors Corp. has agreed to pay as much as $800
each to millions of customers to settle lawsuits that it sold about 35
million vehicles with faulty coolant and engine parts.

The move announced by lawyers Wednesday would close one of the largest
product-liability lawsuits faced by a U.S. automaker. GM declined to say
how much it expected the settlement to cost, but the agreement gives
payments to customers even if they bought the vehicles used.

The suits stem from GM's use of Dex-Cool, a coolant it first introduced
in its vehicles in 1995 and sold in more than 35 million cars and trucks
between 1995 and 2004. About 14 federal and state lawsuits seeking
class-action status have been filed against GM over a variety of
problems in V6 engines linked to Dex-Cool.

Thousands of customers have complained of problems ranging from small
coolant leaks to complete radiator and engine failure. Court documents
show that GM has received tens of thousands of repair requests linked to
Dex-Cool and engine gaskets in the affected engines, and considered
recalls for some models.

Under the settlement approved by a California judge last week, people
who paid for Dex-Cool-related repairs on 3.1-, 3.4-, 3.8- or 4.3-liter
V6 engines within seven years or 150,000 miles are eligible for some
payment from GM. Repairs made within the first five years are eligible
for up to $400, while sixth-year repairs could receive $100 and
seventh-year repairs $50.

If the damage went beyond the engine's cooling systems -- as many
customers claimed -- GM is to reimburse them up to $800. The company
will also allow owners who made multiple repairs to apply for multiple
repayments.

GM spokesman Tom Wilkinson said the company settled the case because the
lawsuits were "time consuming and expensive." He said GM was unable to
estimate how many consumers might apply for payments.

As part of the settlement, GM is to pay $18 million in lawyers' fees and
expenses. The settlement covers 49 states, excluding Missouri, which has
an identical settlement authorized by a different court.

Owners and customers who have paid for Dex-Cool-related repairs have
until Oct. 27 to submit a claim. Further details of the settlement and
instructions for applying for payments are available at
www.dexcoolsettlement.com.


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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:55 am
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On Mar 27, 11:55 am, Jim Higgins <gordian... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> GM to pay in coolant repair caseshttp://tinyurl.com/yoxklt
>
> WASHINGTON -- General Motors Corp. has agreed to pay as much as $800
> each to millions of customers to settle lawsuits that it sold about 35
> million vehicles with faulty coolant and engine parts.
>
> The move announced by lawyers Wednesday would close one of the largest
> product-liability lawsuits faced by a U.S. automaker. GM declined to say
> how much it expected the settlement to cost, but the agreement gives
> payments to customers even if they bought the vehicles used.
>
> The suits stem from GM's use of Dex-Cool, a coolant it first introduced
> in its vehicles in 1995 and sold in more than 35 million cars and trucks
> between 1995 and 2004. About 14 federal and state lawsuits seeking
> class-action status have been filed against GM over a variety of
> problems in V6 engines linked to Dex-Cool.
>
> Thousands of customers have complained of problems ranging from small
> coolant leaks to complete radiator and engine failure. Court documents
> show that GM has received tens of thousands of repair requests linked to
> Dex-Cool and engine gaskets in the affected engines, and considered
> recalls for some models.
>
> Under the settlement approved by a California judge last week, people
> who paid for Dex-Cool-related repairs on 3.1-, 3.4-, 3.8- or 4.3-liter
> V6 engines within seven years or 150,000 miles are eligible for some
> payment from GM. Repairs made within the first five years are eligible
> for up to $400, while sixth-year repairs could receive $100 and
> seventh-year repairs $50.
>
> If the damage went beyond the engine's cooling systems -- as many
> customers claimed -- GM is to reimburse them up to $800. The company
> will also allow owners who made multiple repairs to apply for multiple
> repayments.
>
> GM spokesman Tom Wilkinson said the company settled the case because the
> lawsuits were "time consuming and expensive." He said GM was unable to
> estimate how many consumers might apply for payments.
>
> As part of the settlement, GM is to pay $18 million in lawyers' fees and
> expenses. The settlement covers 49 states, excluding Missouri, which has
> an identical settlement authorized by a different court.
>
> Owners and customers who have paid for Dex-Cool-related repairs have
> until Oct. 27 to submit a claim. Further details of the settlement and
> instructions for applying for payments are available atwww.dexcoolsettlement.com.
>
> --
> Civis Romanus Sum

This is very interesting.

Looks like GM sent out a time bomb with every car for 10 years !

Amazing !

I am sure a lot of experts knew this practice was wrong for a long
time.

Either GM has no experts or they knew what they were doing and
intentionally made the cars to be with less lifetime so they would
need to be replaced sooner.

It is similar to what Ford did when he sent people to investigate what
parts in the cars being retired were still good so they could use
cheaper parts.

This was the final straw as I am concerned.

I thought that GM was trying to make good cars but were just sloppy in
management but it is obvious they do not care about their customers at
all and are just like the medicine men in the past trying to sell
anything as long as they can find anyone with money and sell them
false hope.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:38 am
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I just wonder if GM will pay to get DeathCool OUT of my car!!
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:46 am
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On Mar 27, 3:21 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM... RemoveThis @alltel.net> wrote:

>  Are you related to Mike Hunt?

He is my senile old grandfather
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:52 am
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Reminds one of Toyota ending its "class action" problem with its ongoing
sludge problem that pushed off the solution to the problem with their
extended ten year warranty. It is hard for the shark lawyers to pursue a
class action when the company offers a warranty for all claims.

In both cases the manufacturer gets off the hook, the lawyers reap the
rewards and the buyers get screwed Wink

"Jim Higgins" <gordian238.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> GM to pay in coolant repair cases
> http://tinyurl.com/yoxklt
>
> WASHINGTON -- General Motors Corp. has agreed to pay as much as $800 each
> to millions of customers to settle lawsuits that it sold about 35 million
> vehicles with faulty coolant and engine parts.
>
> The move announced by lawyers Wednesday would close one of the largest
> product-liability lawsuits faced by a U.S. automaker. GM declined to say
> how much it expected the settlement to cost, but the agreement gives
> payments to customers even if they bought the vehicles used.
>
> The suits stem from GM's use of Dex-Cool, a coolant it first introduced in
> its vehicles in 1995 and sold in more than 35 million cars and trucks
> between 1995 and 2004. About 14 federal and state lawsuits seeking
> class-action status have been filed against GM over a variety of problems
> in V6 engines linked to Dex-Cool.
>
> Thousands of customers have complained of problems ranging from small
> coolant leaks to complete radiator and engine failure. Court documents
> show that GM has received tens of thousands of repair requests linked to
> Dex-Cool and engine gaskets in the affected engines, and considered
> recalls for some models.
>
> Under the settlement approved by a California judge last week, people who
> paid for Dex-Cool-related repairs on 3.1-, 3.4-, 3.8- or 4.3-liter V6
> engines within seven years or 150,000 miles are eligible for some payment
> from GM. Repairs made within the first five years are eligible for up to
> $400, while sixth-year repairs could receive $100 and seventh-year repairs
> $50.
>
> If the damage went beyond the engine's cooling systems -- as many
> customers claimed -- GM is to reimburse them up to $800. The company will
> also allow owners who made multiple repairs to apply for multiple
> repayments.
>
> GM spokesman Tom Wilkinson said the company settled the case because the
> lawsuits were "time consuming and expensive." He said GM was unable to
> estimate how many consumers might apply for payments.
>
> As part of the settlement, GM is to pay $18 million in lawyers' fees and
> expenses. The settlement covers 49 states, excluding Missouri, which has
> an identical settlement authorized by a different court.
>
> Owners and customers who have paid for Dex-Cool-related repairs have until
> Oct. 27 to submit a claim. Further details of the settlement and
> instructions for applying for payments are available at
> www.dexcoolsettlement.com.
>
>
> --
> Civis Romanus Sum
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"Gosi" <gosinn DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> This is very interesting.
> Looks like GM sent out a time bomb with every car for 10 years !
> Amazing !

Why are you amazed? You were not aware of the intake gasket issues for the
past 15 years?

> I am sure a lot of experts knew this practice was wrong for a long
> time.

> Either GM has no experts or they knew what they were doing and
> intentionally made the cars to be with less lifetime so they would
> need to be replaced sooner.

Or they simply elected to use inferior parts with the expectation that
people would just fix them, and it would never come back to haunt them.
Save on the manufacturing costs. Would have nothing at all to do with
building them so that they would have to be replaced sooner.


> This was the final straw as I am concerned.

Why? You needed a class action decision to convince you of the problems
that had been identified over a decade ago, and verified by tens of
thousands of cars? Why should this decision have any effect on your opinion
of GM?

> I thought that GM was trying to make good cars but were just sloppy in
> management but it is obvious they do not care about their customers at
> all and are just like the medicine men in the past trying to sell
> anything as long as they can find anyone with money and sell them
> false hope.

If it took you this long to realize that, then your powers of observation
are sorely lacking. Are you related to Mike Hunt?

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:25 pm
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Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Gosi" <gosinn RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:948f8a6d-9dc4-4862-894b-8721b184ad35@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>> This is very interesting.
>> Looks like GM sent out a time bomb with every car for 10 years !
>> Amazing !
>
> Why are you amazed? You were not aware of the intake gasket issues for the
> past 15 years?

You mean the minor fact that it was a change in the gasket material
mandated by federal laws on asbestos that caused the entire problem for
the auto industry.

>
>> I am sure a lot of experts knew this practice was wrong for a long
>> time.
>
>> Either GM has no experts or they knew what they were doing and
>> intentionally made the cars to be with less lifetime so they would
>> need to be replaced sooner.
>
> Or they simply elected to use inferior parts with the expectation that
> people would just fix them, and it would never come back to haunt them.
> Save on the manufacturing costs. Would have nothing at all to do with
> building them so that they would have to be replaced sooner.

Or they had NO choice in the matter and followed the law.

>
>
>> This was the final straw as I am concerned.
>
> Why? You needed a class action decision to convince you of the problems
> that had been identified over a decade ago, and verified by tens of
> thousands of cars? Why should this decision have any effect on your opinion
> of GM?

Tens of thousands of cars out of tens of MILLIONS of cars running Dex-Cool.

>
>> I thought that GM was trying to make good cars but were just sloppy in
>> management but it is obvious they do not care about their customers at
>> all and are just like the medicine men in the past trying to sell
>> anything as long as they can find anyone with money and sell them
>> false hope.
>
> If it took you this long to realize that, then your powers of observation
> are sorely lacking. Are you related to Mike Hunt?
>

The real problem is NOT the Dex-Cool. Never has been. If it was the
coolant that was a problem why don't ALL the vehicles using it show
problems? The problem is and always has been a result of the gaskets
going bad. That is why GM started using a redesigned gasket that
eliminates the problem.


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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:59 pm
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"The real problem is NOT the (the gaskets.) Dex-Cool. Never has been. If it
was the (the gaskets) that was a problem why don't ALL the vehicles using
(the gaskets) show problems? That is why (the gasket manufactures)
started using (the proper materials in the) gasket that eliminate(d) the
problem." Wink

"Steve W." <csr684NOT.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Marlow wrote:
>> "Gosi" <gosinn.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:948f8a6d-9dc4-4862-894b-8721b184ad35@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> This is very interesting.
>>> Looks like GM sent out a time bomb with every car for 10 years !
>>> Amazing !
>>
>> Why are you amazed? You were not aware of the intake gasket issues for
>> the past 15 years?
>
> You mean the minor fact that it was a change in the gasket material
> mandated by federal laws on asbestos that caused the entire problem for
> the auto industry.
>
>>
>>> I am sure a lot of experts knew this practice was wrong for a long
>>> time.
>>
>>> Either GM has no experts or they knew what they were doing and
>>> intentionally made the cars to be with less lifetime so they would
>>> need to be replaced sooner.
>>
>> Or they simply elected to use inferior parts with the expectation that
>> people would just fix them, and it would never come back to haunt them.
>> Save on the manufacturing costs. Would have nothing at all to do with
>> building them so that they would have to be replaced sooner.
>
> Or they had NO choice in the matter and followed the law.
>
>>
>>
>>> This was the final straw as I am concerned.
>>
>> Why? You needed a class action decision to convince you of the problems
>> that had been identified over a decade ago, and verified by tens of
>> thousands of cars? Why should this decision have any effect on your
>> opinion of GM?
>
> Tens of thousands of cars out of tens of MILLIONS of cars running
> Dex-Cool.
>
>>
>>> I thought that GM was trying to make good cars but were just sloppy in
>>> management but it is obvious they do not care about their customers at
>>> all and are just like the medicine men in the past trying to sell
>>> anything as long as they can find anyone with money and sell them
>>> false hope.
>>
>> If it took you this long to realize that, then your powers of observation
>> are sorely lacking. Are you related to Mike Hunt?
>>
>
> The real problem is NOT the Dex-Cool. Never has been. If it was the
> coolant that was a problem why don't ALL the vehicles using it show
> problems? The problem is and always has been a result of the gaskets going
> bad. That is why GM started using a redesigned gasket that eliminates the
> problem.
>
>
> --
> Steve W.
> Near Cooperstown, New York
>
> Life is not like a box of chocolates
> it's more like a jar of jalapenos-
> what you do today could burn your ass tomorrow!
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:43 pm
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"Steve W." <csr684NOT.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Marlow wrote:
>> "Gosi" <gosinn.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:948f8a6d-9dc4-4862-894b-8721b184ad35@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> This is very interesting.
>>> Looks like GM sent out a time bomb with every car for 10 years !
>>> Amazing !
>>
>> Why are you amazed? You were not aware of the intake gasket issues for
>> the past 15 years?
>
> You mean the minor fact that it was a change in the gasket material
> mandated by federal laws on asbestos that caused the entire problem for
> the auto industry.

Oh no Steve - you're starting to sound like Mike Hunt. This argument has
been beaten to death.


>
>>
>>> I am sure a lot of experts knew this practice was wrong for a long
>>> time.
>>
>>> Either GM has no experts or they knew what they were doing and
>>> intentionally made the cars to be with less lifetime so they would
>>> need to be replaced sooner.
>>
>> Or they simply elected to use inferior parts with the expectation that
>> people would just fix them, and it would never come back to haunt them.
>> Save on the manufacturing costs. Would have nothing at all to do with
>> building them so that they would have to be replaced sooner.
>
> Or they had NO choice in the matter and followed the law.

Why didn't every other manufacturer have the same continuing problems for
over 10 years?

>
>>
>>
>>> This was the final straw as I am concerned.
>>
>> Why? You needed a class action decision to convince you of the problems
>> that had been identified over a decade ago, and verified by tens of
>> thousands of cars? Why should this decision have any effect on your
>> opinion of GM?
>
> Tens of thousands of cars out of tens of MILLIONS of cars running
> Dex-Cool.

Tens of thousands was almost certainly low. How about nearly every 3.1 and
3.4 produced during that time period.



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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:46 pm
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"Mike hunt" <mikehunt22.TakeThisOut@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> "The real problem is NOT the (the gaskets.) Dex-Cool. Never has been. If
> it was the (the gaskets) that was a problem why don't ALL the vehicles
> using (the gaskets) show problems? That is why (the gasket
> manufactures) started using (the proper materials in the) gasket that
> eliminate(d) the problem." Wink
>

No one but you have ever suggested it was the gasket that was the fault. It
was the gasket that failed, causing the problems. That was a GM design
issue. Exactly what the design flaw or flaws were, I don't really know.
The point remains that GM stood alone in the line up of manufacturers that
had such a long running design, complete with its known problems.

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:00 pm
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"Gosi" <gosinn.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> GM will not get out of this lightly.
> This is one more nail in their coffin.
> The money part of this is nothing compared to the loss of reliability
> and show how low quality they have been willing to put on their
> products.
> The goodwill of GM is gone and the badwill is growing.
> Getting goodwill is something you earn through trust.
> When you do not have goodwill and you do not have trust it is only a
> question of time before you can close the doors.

Unfortunately, the gasket debacle is not the end of the story for GM. New
Impala's have problems consuming anti-freeze. You can talk to a dealer
mechanic and he'll tell you they have no idea where the coolant is going.
Right after that, he'll tell you they're not aware of any gurgling problems
with the Impala that accompany the car not being able to throw heat while
sitting still. Throws heat just fine while it's going down the road, but
throws cold air if it's not moving. Nope - no problem there. This is
exactly the kind of thing that took me from a 30 plus year GM bigot, and
place 2 Hyundai's and a Mitsubishi in my driveway these days.

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:40 pm
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"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE.DeleteThis@alltel.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Gosi" <gosinn.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:78f05ac8-9ba9-4599-a731-c3c37b309713@m34g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>> GM will not get out of this lightly.
>> This is one more nail in their coffin.
>> The money part of this is nothing compared to the loss of reliability
>> and show how low quality they have been willing to put on their
>> products.
>> The goodwill of GM is gone and the badwill is growing.
>> Getting goodwill is something you earn through trust.
>> When you do not have goodwill and you do not have trust it is only a
>> question of time before you can close the doors.
>
> Unfortunately, the gasket debacle is not the end of the story for GM. New
> Impala's have problems consuming anti-freeze. You can talk to a dealer
> mechanic and he'll tell you they have no idea where the coolant is going.
> Right after that, he'll tell you they're not aware of any gurgling
> problems with the Impala that accompany the car not being able to throw
> heat while sitting still. Throws heat just fine while it's going down the
> road, but throws cold air if it's not moving. Nope - no problem there.
> This is exactly the kind of thing that took me from a 30 plus year GM
> bigot, and place 2 Hyundai's and a Mitsubishi in my driveway these days.

Just curious, but do you have any links about this problem with Impala's?
You're speaking of the 2007+ model, right? I'm not being sarcastic (its a
first for me, I know), I just haven't heard anything about this. 90% of our
Police force use the brand new Impala's, and we build them here too, so I
should've read about it by now.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:54 pm
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"80 Knight" <nospam.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Just curious, but do you have any links about this problem with Impala's?
> You're speaking of the 2007+ model, right? I'm not being sarcastic (its a
> first for me, I know), I just haven't heard anything about this. 90% of
> our Police force use the brand new Impala's, and we build them here too,
> so I should've read about it by now.
>

I wish I did have one, but I don't. You're right though - lots of police
depts use them so it would seem this problem would have gained more
attention by now.

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:03 pm
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"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE.RemoveThis@alltel.net> wrote in message
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> "80 Knight" <nospam.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>> Just curious, but do you have any links about this problem with Impala's?
>> You're speaking of the 2007+ model, right? I'm not being sarcastic (its
>> a first for me, I know), I just haven't heard anything about this. 90%
>> of our Police force use the brand new Impala's, and we build them here
>> too, so I should've read about it by now.
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> I wish I did have one, but I don't. You're right though - lots of police
> depts use them so it would seem this problem would have gained more
> attention by now.

I'll keep looking. If I find anything, I'll post it.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:51 pm
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"Steve W." <csr684NOT DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> The real problem is NOT the Dex-Cool. Never has been. If it was the
> coolant that was a problem why don't ALL the vehicles using it show
> problems? The problem is and always has been a result of the gaskets going
> bad. That is why GM started using a redesigned gasket that eliminates the
> problem.

I agree, Steve..I dont think the DexCool destroyed gaskets either, although
I dont think it is the best coolant that could have been used, with respect
to
engine corrosion.

There was a problem with the gaskets. Other motor companies did not seem
to have this level of problems, and that indicates to me that it was
something
more than just the problem with gasket changes. The mechanical aspects of
those engines' mating surfaces and assembly have been suspected.

Whatever the factors, GM has some responsibility in the matter.
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